Topic: Does ranking not guarantee post quality? - page 3. (Read 891 times)

Theirs one thing in forum, which I know quite well that's problem of forum, many people who you think that their suggestions is trash, really they might be trash base on the turn you use to read their comments, for you to understand what another person is saying you have to read like two times of the writer composition before concluding, because sometimes your observations might be real because of how people repeat some discussed issues in order to complete their weekly post quota, that's the time you see some of forum higher rank users to make a verbal comment. But a newbie have to make a cogent or a quality post that's very necessary and understanding, because its obvious that any newbie thread is attractive to old forum users, so therefore new users have to calm down and make a quality posts.

Every member of this forum is compelled to be a good writer and many times writers get block and can't figure out a better idea to address on their responses. An average user visits and contributes to this forum at least 5 days a week; spending atleast 2-3 hours reading the forum. And some members have been practicing this for quite a long time amounting to 4-5 years of active service

 it's not a simple accomplishment to do that, most times the quality of their responses drops because they don't know much about the topic and had to fit into the discussion. But, if you get them on a topic they studied well, they is always a quality change. As for members that get enough merits within 6 months I respect them because I understand how much work they put in to achieve that. The forum is simple on its own, but not simpler to understand completely how it works and in my view the forum readers can detect when a member spent so much time building a thread. Such posts always get enough merits. Good and constructive writing requires research, editing and time. Not every member possess such luxury.

As for the old members that got promoted when the merit system was initiated, I don't think a lot of them still use this forum to be pointing fingers that they're the high ranked users with low quality posts. I see many active accounts from 2020 upwards I rarely see active 2014, 2016 or even 2017 accounts compared to 2019 upwards accounts. Everyone is doing their best.

Even I need to think about making a post. At least about 10-20 minutes to make it accompanied by evidence to strengthen the argument. At least there may be participants who are like you said. Quality posts do not have exact standards, this is because the standards of each user's rewards are sometimes different. It's true that sometimes we have periods of decline in quality, but someone who is used to good posts may find it easier to write. But since I joined this time I saw on local forums, bad posts decreased. For global, it doesn't seem to happen much either. It seems that the existence of Merit makes users more eager to create the best reply topic.

It's good that you are responding to some answers here.
No.
Some might said their opinion regarding this question, and I'll share mine as well.

I've seen Legendary ranked members here that are posting low quality, and repetitive posts in different threads. I've also seen high-ranked members who are just posting 2-3 sentences in every thread that they see. On the other hand, there are some new members who climbed up on their ranks, and currently they are either Legendary, or will be in the future (probably they lack of activity). I mean I've saw a handful of new members here who has a rank of newbie, and just after 3-6 months, they have enough merits to become a Legendary already. Those are the ones who are posting high quality ones, and really are contributing here in the forum.

No disrespect to those shitposters because I might be one as well, but I just hope that we - high ranked members here might step up in terms of their quality of posting here. I guess it's a good thing that the merit system has implemented or else, we are seeing those users who are just posting proofs on bounty threads that are now Legendary rank or Hero Member.

It doesn't make sense if someone regularly make high quality posts and they not receive any merit, merit sources are everywhere in this forum, other people could just merit them or report it to this thread [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source.

But it's obviously ranking isn't the only one thing to judge someone post quality, a new newbie rank and low number of posts might be a good poster, but if there's a newbie rank with high number of posts e.g. 1000+ and he only receive 10 merits. It's obviously a spammer or shitposter.

Yes, I agree with you. Thank you for your attention.


Yes, you are right. Maybe I'll be part of the spammers.


I honestly can't fully understand your story. Because I wasn't here then. But it looks like you had a good experience that made you change for the better. What I know, people who can change themselves for the better are the best


Maybe like that. So I thought my post was too harsh

You were right in there. Merits are not given to all great posts in the forum, so you can’t tell that those who have not been merited are completely making pointless discussion. Everyone has their own idea or concept on the given thread so I think there’s no right or wrong here. It’s just that some posts were favored by other members so they leave merits for them while some posts may still be good and reasonable but have not gained attention by most of the members.

Let's put it like this: if a user advances quickly through different ranks by acquiring loads of merits, they are obviously doing something right. Whatever they are doing, there seems to be enough people willing to reward them with merits to signal that they are doing a good job. I think that in that scenario, ranking up means you are maintaining and/or improving your post quality.

But if you were simply here a few years ago when theymos introduced the merit system and became legendary based on your activity alone, you aren't necessarily a quality contributor. You could very well just be a massive spammer that had the new system work in your favor.   

I can’t blaspheme you. You’re actually right and I’m the most on point example.

I think I was a Sr when I was around 2k posts and still only shitposting. I was just writing to fulfill campaign requirements and forgot this is an actually community I’m disrupting by posting BS nobody wanted to hear or read.

I remember this got to a point where the quality posters were making campaigns against signature campaigns. Some were starting campaigns suggesting everyone to push the ignore button for every single user who had ads in their sig. Then there was YoBit and that’s somewhere around the peak of crap Bitcointalk ever ingested. This forum was literally three quarters spammers posting just to touch the minimum campaign requirements. But then things got trimmed down. Yahoo blacklisted me from his campaigns. I was on the SMAS. Nobody wanted me to be part of a campaign because of it. And you know what? Although back then I was PM’ing the shit out of him asking for forgiveness and all, thank you yahoo for not doing it. That woke me up.

Then Bitcointalk introduced the merit system. That’s when things got slowed down so much. There are a handful of users who got airdropped enough merit to be automatically propped up to the  Legendary status but few enough to slow the campaign spammers down. Now there’s still spam and shitposting everywhere around, but it’s nothing compared to back then. We do have some users though who’ve been distributed among the highest ranks without deserving it. The merit system was universally applied though, there was no exception and we have to accept the situation.

On the other hand, there are some users who post high quality stuff only until they reach their goals, whether it’s ranking up or joining their favorite campaign. Spend a few seconds finding out which users have an actual opinion and argument to say and you’ll quickly and easily find out how to read only what’s worth reading on a thread.

I think I said before to Bitcointalk that I’m sorry about my past attitude but that’s not history to erase. It’s more important to embrace positive change and I think most of the shitposters own enough qualities to post more quality stuff if they want to. It’s always worth giving them a chance and at the end of the day, if they don’t want to change now, the circumstances of the future will enforce either a change or critical boredom that will propel them out of the forum.

Given that reaching high ranks on this forum takes a long time, it is quite natural that during this time the user will gain some amount of new knowledge and, on average, will probably have more knowledge than, on average, a beginner. But these are all common words. In practice, it is much more important whether specific words will be accurate and reliable in a specific case when it will be important to you. And in this case, it’s better not to rely only on rank or something like that, it’s better, having received advice, to figure it out and make sure on your own. Even if a person is more experienced and understands the topic better, this does not mean that at some point he will not answer, being sleepy or not in the mood or not fully understanding the question.

It is important to learn from more experienced senior forum users, but it is also important to understand on your own what they are talking about.

Yes I agree with you. There are people who have great ideas but find it hard to write well


If people write not from what they know, then where do they get ideas to write or comment on?

Post is not about the knowledge of the owner, or even the comments, the fact that we are in the forum says it all, everyone has ideas and needed to be share to everyone since there are newbies and some are already, been here for so long, but post are here to be discuss, everyone have different ideas, if your saying that it should not to be continue and stop there, we should have created a FAQ thread and read from there, even the great people need to continue to learn or else you will be left behind.
I have been a few months in the forum and for me if you don't like what is the topic he/she post don't reply, sometimes post from newbies and others have sense but since they don't know how to write it , it became non-sense, by replying to them sometimes their questions and ideas became clearer and we are able to help them, on how we understand it.

Is this also your goal? That's good. I love you


Yes maybe you are right. Thank you for your attention. You are one of those who have good qualities.


Yes, it's subjective. You can use your point of view in assessing it. And my question is: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?


I don't know what you mean by that. I can already see your name on your profile board. Is that not enough?


Yes, that's a bad habit. Should I use the term "smart" for off-topic comments? OK, I'll try to consider this...


Yes I agree with you. Members with high ranks have 80% better odds than beginners.

Yes, I'm sure all have different concepts in assessing post quality. So what do you mean? You did not answer my question

yes, it's true that ranking doesn't necessarily guarantee the quality of a post or a comment.
if you find a post that you think is nonsense then simply leave the post or comment without calling them a bad connotation.
if you are disturbed by a post or a comment that only contains spam, racist, hate speech or has a negative meaning, just report it.
just keep your personal judgment to yourself. avoid using stupid words or words to belittle others.
as long as they follow the rules that apply, everyone here has the right to discuss and express their opinions even if they don't have sufficient knowledge.

You don't write posts not to get some blasphemy out of it. If that be all that you get then, that's all that it is. Meaning, your not doing great buy rarely do we have that come around.
On the other hand, you could get both and that seems like a healthy discussion which means, you've got sides to what your expressing and people are taking there places in spreading out the views on the topic, that's okay.

Still, quality doesn't mean ranks. Although, it's expected that for one to have attained certain rank on the forum, they ought to have seen a lot and possibly knows a lot but, that's not always the case.
For some, maybe writing isn't actually there thing but somehow, they've made it to where they or we are.

You must not be doing a whole lot but, at least, do the little you can that matters but in doing that, improve yourself.

On the other hand - many newbies feel proud when they earned 1 merit after make a constructive post, whereas OP is not proud to have earned 40+ merit since signing up. My mind wanders and it's like imagining that a Legendary member or an experienced member is joking here. But wait - this is just my guess.

Yes - I have to agree on that.

That's right - the quality of posts is highly subjective based on the tastes of each user. You may have missed a lot of high quality posts you don't understand like technical discussions about bitcoin - while other users find them very useful. This depends on your taste, so it will definitely not be the same from one user to another.

How can you tell if it’s quality post or not when you have not exposed yourself in the forum for long? I believe e everyone of us here has its own concept and perspective in each thread in the forum, and what we say or post depends on how knowledgeable we are, and not on the rank or position. However, there’s always an edge if you have higher rank or position since you are more exposed to how the market works and mastery is there. Thus, making high quality post is more possible than to expect for some newbies to do it.

It's not a good habit to say someone stupid though his posts aren't on topic or meaningless. Maybe he has weakness in English.
Alright our discussion should be for educational purpose. So we do not need any shitposters. Because they will make discussion lengthy and meaningless. Anyway there's no problem about length but when someone will try to learn from the discussion they will feel embarrassed. So we should make this forum a beautiful place of meaningfull discussion.

If I want to rate the number of high-ranking members that are not knowledgeable about Bitcoin and the forum it will be 5%. Most high-ranking members have been around the form for a long time which has built their knowledge and experience.

One of the reasons why you feel that some posts from them are not meaningful is because of language barriers and grammatical errors. Some of them are not native English speakers and this affects their level of expression. But if you take a closer look at the post you will discover what they want to relate. If you check their merit history you might observe that they got a whole lot of merits from the local board. This happens because they were able to convey their thoughts, knowledge, and experience effectively in their local language.

Grammatical errors could also change the meaning of a post and make it sound meaningless. Generally, we have to go through carefully and patiently. Note: There is always sense in what you assume is nonsense.

A high rank does not mean that a ranking member is good with quality posting. I know some of you would argue with my reasoning, it is true, and I know no one would understand it. My reasoning being a lot of currently high-ranking members got their rank before Merit system was implemented. You would see these spammers getting a neutral trust review as writing irrelevant replies. The problem is that such spammers are not banned but only tagged and they continue to do the same because they have been hired for a signature campaign.