Topic: Does the forum need so much politics? - page 2. (Read 1218 times)

Ain't that what is happening. Moderators would need to see that your thread is related to Bitcoin if you post it in Bitcoin discussion even though there's politics included like what is happening now where the US presidential candidates are also talking about Bitcoin and other things.

Now, if it's pure politics, it goes to another board, and if its sways to non politics it goes to off topic.
I won't worry about this because this forum had been running for a long time and I think they are cleaning it as much as they possibly can so that everything is in their appropriate boards.

What you are saying is we cannot put names? I think that will be difficult especially if the one telling the idea about cryptocurrency or Bitcoin is a politician. It's better if it's detailed, right? It's a thread, if something pops out about Bitcoin and a politician said it, it can also be shared in Bitcoin discussion especially if there's one already available to share it instead of creating another.

I don't think that's necessary. If it's off-topic, you can already report it and it gets removed. If it's on the wrong board, report it and it gets moved.

I would love to see an outright ban on partisan politics in the main forum. (For the P&S forum, well, that's what it's for). I know I posted a few that could be construed as being partisan, and they were moved over to P&S. I am fine with that.

But there are still out-and-out partisan threads on the main forum that are almost entirely about promoting one of the candidates either directly or indirectly. And these threads are, predictably, filled with a bunch of graphics and memes meant to crap on one of the candidates running for president in the US, and are generally a food fight over the usual political battle lines.

I started a thread in the main forum about political policy that we felt was good for Bitcoin and our broader industry, and that went.... pretty well. I laid out the guidelines in that thread in the OP that we wouldn't talk about parties, people or candidates, only policies. It worked, and the conversation stayed pretty rational and civil, too. (I personally think it's rather silly to talk about officials in particular since they are usually just following the laws that Congress passes and they really don't matter in the long run--policy does).

Hence I would like to propose those guidelines for the main forum: only talk about politics that relate to Bitcoin (obviously), and no talking about specific parties or candidates, and no public personas that are obvious stand-ins for one of the US candidates, e.g. a campaign surrogate, a candidate's hire, etc. In other words, if the post has any of: Republican, Democrat, Trump, Biden, Harris, RFK, Vance, Walz, Musk, Soros, Gensler, or anybody of their ilk, then... it belongs in P&S.

As I have also written, I think associating Bitcoin and our business generally with one side or another of US partisan politics is a very bad thing for our business. US politics is extremely polarized today, and smart businesses and industries are staying out of that fight because nobody wants to cut their market in half by only appealing to one half of US citizens while making mortal enemies out of the other half.

Clearly not!
The Americans might not have a local board here to channel all that polls, Biden, Trump, Kamala thing but, I think the way it’s turned out about the America to the polls thing has been more of an abuse of the system. Been seeing these free signatures been pulled up here and there and I clearly don’t see the need why!

One or two threads might be okay, having it in politics and society, off topic, serious discussions and boards that don’t call for much than, having to plaster it all over the forum and even with a signature. It doesn’t add nothing to the cryptocurrency community.

We’ve seen free projects been lunched and most times, the significance to the cryptocurrency community is ineminent. Icopress have a couple of them free signature campaigns on the service board and you can tell it’s usefulness to the cryptocurrency community. Not this polls thing, it just doesn’t go and your sure it would be abused by people in the days to come.

Oh, that is nice, I didn't even check since a while ago, they are the main reason for this thread was created and it's so relieving to see them moved to where they belong.

What an intoxication, I can't decipher the main justification for the creation of such threads in the service section of the forum. People will always go both ways when it comes to politics I wonder how the section would be messed up if the opposition decides to pay back kindly.

Exactly. It's just a yes or no to be precise. But there's no wrong talking about politics, let's just move it to politics and society if necessary. There we can talk about everything about politics, but I doubt if a lot would participate since not all the time politics have hot issues that are good for discussion.  Only US Presidential election gets more controversial.

I strongly go with your disposition on that. I know why the whole campaign thing came up was to draw attention to the US election, possibly because Trump showed support for the industry we're fans of. I don't even want to comment on the poor showing and turnaround the democrats are putting up on it (crypto) just to sound relevant yet.

Anyway, OP must've felt bringing it up on the Service section will get more views and read than elsewhere. No doubt, that's evidently correct. However, IMHO, I think that despite how we want to empathize with any of them, campaigns of such nature such be made in P&S or even in Off Topic going forward as they're now; except where such campaigns are paid campaigns should they've a place in the Service section.

Hurling insults towards another person instead of discussing the topic at hand is, IMO,  spamming. It may not be a severe violation of the forum rules but, it falls under 3 forum rules:


Idk about you, but if a topic is about X and some posts are about why OP is bad because of attacks completely unrelated to the topic, those comments should be moderated.

Of course, not all posts with a hint ot personal attack should be moderated, but only those who are outright ignoring the topic at hand just to get their insults across.

It was in Services, not Politics:

Just read a few responses for the last two pages, I see politics on this topic too LOL
No, we do not need so much politics, there is a board for it.

The type of campaign from OP can bring a lot of fun on the politics sub board. Why were they moved to the off-topic section?

It can be interesting news when any government passes any regulation related to crypto. The US should not be singled out. Of course, it is completely irrelevant what a politician says, who currently has no power and no guarantee that he will be elected and implement any of what he says.


Opening this discussion, my primary topics were not the two "disputed" campaign signatures, but politics in general.
Perhaps an even better example is this thread where there are complaints about overly aggressive discussions about the Russia/Ukraine war. I don't know Russian very well, and I'm too lazy to translate, so I won't go into the details of the whole case.
Just another example of how bad and far political discussions can go.

From my perspective, I think the slandering is much more of an American thing than a European thing. Here, character attacks on politicians are rare, although I think it's happening more often now than it used to. Take our previous prime minister and future NATO leader for example: nobody knows anything about his private life. If you Google him, you'll read "as far as anyone knows, has never been in a relationship". But when it's about the USA, every tiny little personal detail up to cocaine in the Whitehouse reaches the Dutch news.
Drama seems to get more votes than real political ideas.

The limit is at physical threats:

Attacking who? A political candidate? Or a forum member?

One of these is always going to be done until the end of time, the other is going be more serious and take up an entire page in the Reputation board.


People only seem to care about other governments when they are trying to ban bitcoin. (or unban it.)

I don’t think personal attacks require moderation. Can you please post the related forum rule?

We don’t post in a communist forum where people have no freedom of speech as far as I know.

All purely political topics should be moved to Politics & Society, even if the discussion doesn't really concern politics moreso the society at all. At least, it keeps everything organized in a forum sense.

As for the signature campaign, it would be best to leave it there. It's up to the nut jobs to join the campaign if they'd like to. If their comments on certain topics become directed towards personally attacking someone, one can always report them and they'd be dealt directly.

If someone is just discussing politics as it pertains to bitcoin/crypto and just trying to present unbiased information, that's fine. That's what we should all strive to do. However, 99% of political discourse isn't about information, its about slandering or mocking the opposing party. Engaging in political debate is a futile exercise all the way around. Mildly entertaining at best, an utter waste the rest of the time.

So I'm all for keeping the political talk in P&S.

America isn't the center of the universe after all. Everyone should care about their own damn governments, not ours, thats just weird.

I think people got intrigued by the fact that Trump has recently taken an interest in making casual conversations about Bitcoin in most of his campaign rallies, but what they failed to understand is that the Man is a businessman and he brings the mindset of a salesman into politics, so he might have figured that the best way to get some influential youths behind him is to chip in cryptocurrency conversations now and then because the majority of the youths have taken an interest in the crypto ecosystem. If it has gotten to a point where his name is being discussed as a subject of topic in different sections of this forum! Then it means his tactics are working.

They have to do something with Bitcoin when candidates are using this topic in their campaigns, with making promises about bitcoin strategic reserves, to collect more donations and get new voters.
I don't really care about political theater that is just a circus distraction, and it's not that hard to realize that both Trump and Kamala are just puppets reading the script.
I have nothing against if someone want's to create political signature campaigns.

Great job man! Those topics are good for the Off Topic board instead of services board as that board isn't for such topics at all. I guess if the creator of the topics would do better by making a single topic about the elections only for fun but at politics board not at services board.

If I'm not wrong then the topics were created to get attention only and to find out that who's in support of Trump and who like Kamala. And, to be honest both of them aren't in anyway part of this forum. You did a good job!

Now since the issue is solved as those topics are moved to the suitable board, I believe OP should lock this thread for the good.

Thanks for taking quick action on critical issues like this. Op was not fair for the two parties. He would create a thread for the world he supports and leave the other foe another supporter to create and all would have been in politics board so people would contribute to their support thread.
And if these threads were created in the politics board, I don't think it would have been escalated to this level. Op should know what to do when ideas like this come to him.