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legendary
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August 13, 2024, 10:18:41 AM
#45
if signature campaigns dedicated to mixers are prohibited on the forum, then similar joke (or not) campaigns of politicians also have no place on the forum.
Please elaborate Cheesy
Banning mixers from the forum had a reason:
But this is not a darknet forum, and with mixers looking "grayer and grayer"
Discussing or even making fun of public figures is, as far as I know, allowed in the US.
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August 13, 2024, 10:09:25 AM
#44
It seems to me that not a single day passes without a new discussion about Trump, even about his son's statements. I understand that someone is obsessed with politics, and with Trump, among other things, but does it have to be to this extent?
Ok, the elections are in the US, but certainly, this is not primarily a forum only for US people or maybe I'm wrong, I even think that they are in the minority here.
I understand that the US economy has a huge influence on the entire world economy, and cryptocurrencies are already part of the economy (due to the financial influence of institutional investors and even some countries), which allows for some connection between the US economy and bitcoin, but I believe that excessive discussion of current US politics is unnecessary on a forum dedicated to crytocurrencies.

One user has opened two voluntary signature campaigns, one for Trump and one for Kamala. I would say that this is the lowest point of this forum.
If it is a joke, it is very bad and someone without a sense of humour should not engage in it.
I wouldn't like to compare, but if signature campaigns dedicated to mixers are prohibited on the forum, then similar joke (or not) campaigns of politicians also have no place on the forum.

(Both campaigns should be moved to offtopic or politics & society, they certainly have no place in the services section where services are offered with payment in Bitcoin.)
In my opinion, this would be the right place to put these signature campaigns (with similar themes), and even better - make these signatures visible only in those relevant sections, like politics and off-topic.

These things have nothing to do with cryptocurrencies or Bitcoin. The fact that someone said a word or two about it (exclusively for personal benefit) does not mean that everyone should be obsessed with it.
It is so truly.
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August 13, 2024, 08:32:52 AM
#43
If you ask the question does the forum need politics of course yes however if you should ask does the forum need so much politics I would take NO as the right answer. I really don't think bringing soo much politics related stuffs to the forum is necessary though it doesn't seem to be harmful. Of course politics discussion is important because of the effects it has on the crypto space and general economics.

On the other hand I really don't think that making signature campaigns for pre elected or election contest I participants is necessary. And if you ask me , it just doesn't seem like the right thing to be advertised on the forum. The forum is a cryptocurrency discussion place and not a place to take on political campaigns.
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August 13, 2024, 08:24:43 AM
#42
Unfortunately, what has been discussed for years has been confirmed, namely that few care what will happen to Bitcoin as a technology, but what will happen to Bitcoin only when it comes to price.

All right, you lost me a little there.  I hate politics and thus haven't been reading all the stuff that relates politics to bitcoin, but how would an election or even a new administration affect bitcoin's technology?  Am I understanding you correctly?  Because the way I see it, bitcoin=money (and a form of investment), and people absolutely should be caring about its price or any factors that might affect its price if they're invested in it.  A higher price vs. [pick your fiat currency] means greater purchasing power one way or another.

And, I might add, if any cryptocurrency is going to have mainstream adoption, people should not have to worry about what's under the hood except to the extent necessary, because most people suck at math and have eyes that would glaze over if confronted with a discussion of "the technology".  Nevertheless, they ought to be able to use bitcoin if they want to.  Hell, I didn't understand exactly what bitcoin was when I first started using faucets back in the day; I just had my curiosity piqued and thankfully one doesn't need a deep grasp of cryptography, mathematics, or blockchain tech in order to send and receive bitcoin.
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August 13, 2024, 08:20:34 AM
#41
These campaigns always struck me as fun. I don't see anything wrong.

They were on the wrong board. It's not a "service" and should be in P&S or if it's just "fun" then in Off Topic, which is where they landed for now. Someone who doesn't want politics or religion or any of that shit on their BITCOIN forum should be able to avoid it by ignoring some boards and spamming Services with that garbage is not cool.
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August 13, 2024, 08:20:13 AM
#40
One of the important effects of politics is that it divides people, because when they are divided, then they are weak and easier to manipulate - on the example of the US, we see how the Democrats and Republicans do it skillfully to the extent that the people are divided to the extent that they are ready to kill the politician opponents only because of their political beliefs.

Agreed! Seeing how the division reached an extend where even a conservative teenager would try to assassinate the presidential candidate of his own party was pretty sobering.

I feel like the USA's two-party system further aggrevates this issue though. Not like it's any of my business but they should really work towards getting rid of the Electoral College.


I am quite convinced that there are many forums on the Internet that deal with politics. After all, this is a Bitcoin forum (and cryptocurrencies in general) and I see no reason for all of us to drag ourselves into offtopic political discussions.

I second that. Some of my favourite online communities have been strictly apolitical. Nothing wrong with speaking your mind, but I don't think I've ever seen an online community become enriched by engrossing themselves into politics.


A large number of members have a dog or once had one, does this mean that we should litter the forum with breeders, the issue of breeds... All in the name of Dogecoin, and it is logical to discuss dogs here.

I'd much rather talk about dogs than about politics.
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August 13, 2024, 04:50:03 AM
#39
These campaigns always struck me as fun. I don't see anything wrong.
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August 13, 2024, 04:47:24 AM
#38
I get your point but you have to consider that this is an international forum and people all around the world are very political. For example, I live far from the USA but hear talk about US politics daily from family members to neighbours to coworkers.

I am quite convinced that there are many forums on the Internet that deal with politics. After all, this is a Bitcoin forum (and cryptocurrencies in general) and I see no reason for all of us to drag ourselves into offtopic political discussions.
A large number of members have a dog or once had one, does this mean that we should litter the forum with breeders, the issue of breeds... All in the name of Dogecoin, and it is logical to discuss dogs here.

note: dogs as an example of a parallel with politicians is completely coincidental
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August 13, 2024, 04:38:47 AM
#37
Make your pick:
Kamala vs Trump
You couldn't pick a worse topic to promote this in. I'm not voting for either one of them.
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August 13, 2024, 04:30:59 AM
#36
~snip~
See?  This is why this election is just going to divide us further no matter the outcome.  That's as far as I'm going to stray off-topic.  If I may paraphrase Rodney King here, "Can't we all just get along?".  Seriously.


The old saying goes "divide et impera", and if someone had told me ten years ago that we would be divided like this on the forum over who will be the next president of the US, I would have told him that he didn't know what he was talking about. Unfortunately, what has been discussed for years has been confirmed, namely that few care what will happen to Bitcoin as a technology, but what will happen to Bitcoin only when it comes to price.

One of the important effects of politics is that it divides people, because when they are divided, then they are weak and easier to manipulate - on the example of the US, we see how the Democrats and Republicans do it skillfully to the extent that the people are divided to the extent that they are ready to kill the politician opponents only because of their political beliefs.
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August 13, 2024, 04:24:48 AM
#35
It seems to me that not a single day passes without a new discussion about Trump, even about his son's statements. I understand that someone is obsessed with politics, and with Trump, among other things, but does it have to be to this extent?
Ok, the elections are in the US, but certainly, this is not primarily a forum only for US people or maybe I'm wrong, I even think that they are in the minority here.

One user has opened two voluntary signature campaigns, one for Trump and one for Kamala. I would say that this is the lowest point of this forum.
If it is a joke, it is very bad and someone without a sense of humour should not engage in it.

[OPEN] Kamala 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
[OPEN] Trump 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
(Both campaigns should be moved to offtopic or politics & society, they certainly have no place in the services section where services are offered with payment in Bitcoin.)

These things have nothing to do with cryptocurrencies or Bitcoin. The fact that someone said a word or two about it (exclusively for personal benefit) does not mean that everyone should be obsessed with it.
I get your point but you have to consider that this is an international forum and people all around the world are very political. For example, I live far from the USA but hear talk about US politics daily from family members to neighbours to coworkers.

The result of the presidential elections of the United States will affect the whole world and at the same time, it will affect Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, so there is lots of discussion about Politics because of their influence on crypto and the recent things that are happening, including attack on mixers, ETF approvals, crypto taxes, mining regulations and etc...

One presidential candidate even states that he will buy 500 Bitcoin every day for years, Trump wants the rest of the Bitcoins to be mined in the United States. Bitcoin became part of presidential elections, so you know...

Btw I agree with you on political signature campaigns.
legendary
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August 13, 2024, 03:59:45 AM
#34
Guess I'm late to the party Smiley

Why do you think so? We are still accepting participants and your signature space is free as I see.

Make your pick:

Kamala vs Trump
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August 13, 2024, 03:26:25 AM
#33
they certainly have no place in the services section where services are offered with payment in Bitcoin.)
Just report the topics, see if Mods agree. I think it doesn't belong in Services. Not even in Altcoins.

Now both of the thread has been moved to off topic, regardless it's moved by the creator or the moderators, but still... case closed.
Guess I'm late to the party Smiley
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August 13, 2024, 03:17:03 AM
#32
Now both of the thread has been moved to off topic, regardless it's moved by the creator or the moderators, but still... case closed.

Don’t drive traffic away or we will lose precious sig camps.
Thank you for your dedication mate, that's why there are few new campaigns comes up because your signature campaign make them want to advertise in this forum. Tongue
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August 13, 2024, 12:52:44 AM
#31
I agree with your position. Although this forum is a free speech forum, we should use our right senses as well, especially when it comes to childish-kind of behaviour. Political discussions are always welcome in virtually all sections of the forum if the topic agrees to it or the discussion shifts to it.

But it is certainly bigotry to open a signature campaign in the service section to support one candidate and mock the other. As you can see by the low participation under the thread, which means people are even less interested in the childish style.

Those who believe Trump is a Bitcoin guy are just being fooled, talk is cheap.
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August 12, 2024, 06:00:33 PM
#30
I don't know if that's the lowest point this forum's had (I'd say Yobit's campaign with unlimited slots for shitposters would take that spot), and I'm not even sure those campaigns are in bad taste--mindrust seems to be using it as a kind of polling mechanism, but who knows what his true intentions are.
Look at the "campaign" thread and it will be clearer to you why I think it is going to the lowest point. For example requirements:

Yeah, I looked into it in more detail after I made my post (of course), but I see these campaigns more as parody than anything else.  I also understand why some might find what's in that thread to be in bad taste, but it slid right off me so I guess if you're offended by, or sensitive to, that sort of thing (whether it's a parody or not) you'd pick up on it much more readily.

And by "you" I don't mean you, examplens.  I'm using it in the general sense. 

See?  This is why this election is just going to divide us further no matter the outcome.  That's as far as I'm going to stray off-topic.  If I may paraphrase Rodney King here, "Can't we all just get along?".  Seriously.
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August 12, 2024, 04:16:53 PM
#29
I give up. I am supporting Kamala for the next unknown number of days, maybe months. You won. For now.

May I join the Commie club now?
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August 12, 2024, 04:14:38 PM
#28
I don't know if that's the lowest point this forum's had (I'd say Yobit's campaign with unlimited slots for shitposters would take that spot), and I'm not even sure those campaigns are in bad taste--mindrust seems to be using it as a kind of polling mechanism, but who knows what his true intentions are.
Look at the "campaign" thread and it will be clearer to you why I think it is going to the lowest point. For example requirements:

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Politics in itself is cancerous, full of hypocrisy, lies and fraud. Bringing it to the forum can only have a negative effect and degrade its quality.

Trump has made bitcoin regulation a campaign issue. He wants less of it, and also wants to provide market incentives for more of the crypto industry to move to the US. So the outcome of the election is inherently relevant to bitcoin.
He is an ordinary clown who has recognized the model of how to attract the attention of a large number of people. His goal is only personal promotion. Unfortunately, it's obvious that he succeeds.
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August 12, 2024, 03:55:37 PM
#27
I noticed the signature campaign on Donald Trump but I missed the later one on Kamala Harris but by this fact that mindrust runs two campaigns for two Presidential nominees, it's fair enough and he did not skew to any nominee between these two ones.
Did you read the thread for the Kamala Harris thread?

I read the thread, and I think it is probably consistent with Harris. I do agree that there does seem to be a conflict of interest for one person to be running competing political signature campaigns, but I don't think there is any rule against it. It is also very well possible that Harris simply decided to copy Trump's strategy of advertising on the forum, and didn't bother to change even any of the minor details.

These things have nothing to do with cryptocurrencies or Bitcoin. The fact that someone said a word or two about it (exclusively for personal benefit) does not mean that everyone should be obsessed with it.
Trump has made bitcoin regulation a campaign issue. He wants less of it, and also wants to provide market incentives for more of the crypto industry to move to the US. So the outcome of the election is inherently relevant to bitcoin.
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August 12, 2024, 03:08:47 PM
#26
The election is seasonal, and we are talking about an election for the presidency of one of the most powerful countries on this planet. Since Trump keeps mentioning that he is advocating the use and adoption of Bitcoin, this makes topics or signature campaign about US politics more interesting.

You can either report it or ignore it. I don't find it annoying because it will eventually die down after the election, and this forum has been very accommodating to many topics and issues; I have to stumble on this forum some world issues that I have not found on mainstream media.

This has a lot to do with Bitcoin in the US government contestation in the next leadership, of course I think as the largest bitcoin forum here it is a natural thing for someone to do on the forum, yes even though we know that US citizens on this forum are a minority, but indeed the US as a superpower being the center of the world economy makes its own attraction in its political contestation because it will affect the market from every policy carried out in the US.

I myself don't have a problem with the signature campaign, because it's not something that disgusts me, because I also have an interest in political policy analysis, so this signature campaign doesn't bother me.
For people who don't like it, just ignore it and don't make a fuss about it, because we are free here and the forum is not created for any particular party.
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