Does the forum need so much politics? - page 5.

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Quote from: examplens on August 11, 2024, 06:36:39 PM

It seems to me that not a single day passes without a new discussion about Trump, even about his son's statements. I understand that someone is obsessed with politics, and with Trump, among other things, but does it have to be to this extent?
Ok, the elections are in the US, but certainly, this is not primarily a forum only for US people ^{or maybe I'm wrong}, I even think that they are in the minority here.

As much as that doesn't sit well with me, or any other user in here, I didn't just have to complain or make an objection... I'm glad that you created this thread to help others in expressing their outright feelings.

Its becoming a bit challenging that the situation in the US has in one, affected everyone regardless.. But, we all know how the Democrats operate just right after they're being swon in

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I don’t think moving the two topics to the offtopic section or even keeping them in the services section will ever make much difference as long as they don’t spark a huge campaign of haters or attract shitposters to wear the signature for any reason. However, his idea could be improved with a better design that involves Bitcoin or crypto. Clearly he is very supportive of Trump to the point of mocking the other side and as long as the forum allows freedom of speech, anyone with a different political view could also create similar signature campaigns to mock Trump or support Kamala.
Hopefully, this doesn’t lead In creating stupid conflicts because of political reasons, so let’s focus on supporting what truly deserves it.

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Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on August 12, 2024, 10:10:16 AM

I did.

Then you should probably know the distinct difference in the tone for both candidates in both of the campaigns. It is obvious that there is a clear bias for one over another. It is in no way, a balanced and clear perspective for either of the candidates or else I would expect a little bit more factual and nuanced perspective in those signatures.

Hint: Mans pretty fond of DJT Wink

Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on August 12, 2024, 10:10:16 AM

I don't say that it's wrong to support Trump or wrong to support Harris by wearing a signature campaign. I only wonder that does personal texts and description information given in these designs are correct for those nominees.

That is not directed to your reply.

Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on August 12, 2024, 10:10:16 AM

I tried to search a personal text for Kamala Harris, and wondered did she said so, but did not find a match result. Honestly I knew she is keen on socialism, communism but not sure what she said and I thought personal text should be matched with her saying.

I'm not here to talk about politics. We're not here to police for fake news or whatever, I believe that the onus should be on the users to verify whether she's (and he for the matter) into socialism, communism, or whatever. Again, my definition of communism might be slightly different from his so I can't really be bothered to argue that.

Doubt that it would actually make a difference in the results but the signature and the narratives does make for a pretty good laugh.

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I have been waiting to read from you, the Op. Good you said something.

Quote from: mindrust on August 12, 2024, 09:50:29 AM

I thought it wouldn’t be fair if we only had a campaign for Trump. So I have created one for Kamala.

This should be to show that you are apolitical or you aren't supporting any particular candidate.

Quote from: mindrust on August 12, 2024, 09:50:29 AM

I think my campaigns brought some life to the forum. People have more reason to make posts now.

I also think that whether or not you created the thread, people will not cease to talk about America politics till the end of this year (even after the election).

Quote from: mindrust on August 12, 2024, 09:50:29 AM

Don’t drive traffic away or we will lose precious sig camps.

Cool, anything for traffic but you can move the campaigns to the P&S board or the altcoins service board. If every country begins to create campaign for all their presidential candidates during elections, here will turn to political talk.org

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Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on August 12, 2024, 10:10:16 AM

Quote from: ranochigo on August 12, 2024, 04:37:26 AM

Did you read the thread for the Kamala Harris thread?

I did.

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IMO, nothing wrong and that generally the discussions with Trump on Bitcointalk are specific enough and has some sort of connection to Bitcoin. We aren't here to say whose opinions are right or wrong, so I don't think there is any policing to do here.

Similarly, with signature campaigns, the signature space is a free space and each user should be entitled to having the liberty to display whatever they want. I probably wouldn't take too much of an issue with it and just ignore them if they're obnoxious on the forum.

I don't say that it's wrong to support Trump or wrong to support Harris by wearing a signature campaign. I only wonder that does personal texts and description information given in these designs are correct for those nominees.

I tried to search a personal text for Kamala Harris, and wondered did she said so, but did not find a match result. Honestly I knew she is keen on socialism, communism but not sure what she said and I thought personal text should be matched with her saying.

She didn’t say it and I didn’t put her name after the quote because of that. It is an anonymous quote.

However, she is definitely a commie.

https://x.com/jpgechele/status/1822407149437206656

And there are many communism lovers around so they will feel welcome there.

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Quote from: ranochigo on August 12, 2024, 04:37:26 AM

Did you read the thread for the Kamala Harris thread?

I did.

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IMO, nothing wrong and that generally the discussions with Trump on Bitcointalk are specific enough and has some sort of connection to Bitcoin. We aren't here to say whose opinions are right or wrong, so I don't think there is any policing to do here.

Similarly, with signature campaigns, the signature space is a free space and each user should be entitled to having the liberty to display whatever they want. I probably wouldn't take too much of an issue with it and just ignore them if they're obnoxious on the forum.

I don't say that it's wrong to support Trump or wrong to support Harris by wearing a signature campaign. I only wonder that does personal texts and description information given in these designs are correct for those nominees.

I tried to search a personal text for Kamala Harris, and wondered did she said so, but did not find a match result. Honestly I knew she is keen on socialism, communism but not sure what she said and I thought personal text should be matched with her saying.

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Most of that shit should be contained in the P&S board. Maybe one or two threads in speculation ("how would electing XYZ affect Bitcoin")... but this trollfuckery in other boards, like the signature "campaigns" that don't actually pay and are there just to troll outside of P&S, should not be allowed IMO. But then again, mods here aren't very keen on judging intent when it doesn't suit them.

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I thought it wouldn’t be fair if we only had a campaign for Trump. So I have created one for Kamala.

I think my campaigns brought some life to the forum. People have more reason to make posts now.

Don’t drive traffic away or we will lose precious sig camps.

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I would not give it much importance for now, to be honest, after all we are going though the most important phases of a presidential campaign going on in the United States, it is normal people feel like talking about it l, sharing news and commentary about Trump and his reaction to his new female rival in this race to the White house. I could assure you, once the election is over and we give some time for the dust to settle all this constant converstion about Trump and Kamala Harris will find an end and eveything will be back to the normal (and more moderated) amount of politics discussion here in the forum, it os rsther a seasonal thing.
If you enjoy geopolitics it would be a good chance to check on the politics & society section of the forum to have some friendly debate, otherwise, just try to ignore all of it until it is done by November.

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Quote from: examplens on August 11, 2024, 06:36:39 PM

It seems to me that not a single day passes without a new discussion about Trump

Well, US elections do affect, at least indirectly, a big part of the world.
This being said, even if I am far from US, I am still somewhat interested in what's going to happen.
Even more, with bitcoin being used more or less as a weapon of the campaign, this can be seen as "of interest" for the forum.

However, I do agree that there is too much talk on the topic and I also agree that sig campaigns for politics are... at least odd in here.
But yeah, freedom of speech makes this forum a good nest for all kinds of propaganda too, including political one (and I think that 2024 US elections propaganda is not even the first one).

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The election is seasonal, and we are talking about an election for the presidency of one of the most powerful countries on this planet. Since Trump keeps mentioning that he is advocating the use and adoption of Bitcoin, this makes topics or signature campaign about US politics more interesting.

You can either report it or ignore it. I don't find it annoying because it will eventually die down after the election, and this forum has been very accommodating to many topics and issues; I have to stumble on this forum some world issues that I have not found on mainstream media.

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Quote from: examplens on August 11, 2024, 06:36:39 PM

One user has opened two voluntary signature campaigns, one for Trump and one for Kamala. I would say that this is the lowest point of this forum.
If it is a joke, it is very bad and someone without a sense of humour should not engage in it.

I don't know if that's the lowest point this forum's had (I'd say Yobit's campaign with unlimited slots for shitposters would take that spot), and I'm not even sure those campaigns are in bad taste--mindrust seems to be using it as a kind of polling mechanism, but who knows what his true intentions are.

If all of this political discussion could be related to bitcoin I'd have no problem with it, but any time a thread starts out trying to do just that it inevitably devolves into typical flame wars. That's basically what happens with every single thread on every discussion board on the internet dealing with politics. And, I would add, this election is probably going to be more important than 2016 when Trump first got elected. I'm afraid whoever gets elected it's going to throw the country into an even more divisive state. Trump is a conservative's wet dream, and on the very opposite side of the spectrum is Harris, who dampens the bed sheets of liberals who'd like nothing more than to have a black woman as president.

So while I don't care for or participate much in all of this crap, it's kind of hard to stop everyone from talking about it. But I've said it before, this will (hopefully) die down after the election.

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I understand that you may not like politics (Me either). Probably the forum does not need so much politics as well. But, I believe theymos want to ensure freedom of speech. If some campaign managers can run a signature campaign for a project they like which is free, and If a person can run a signature campaign for his own project to spread awareness and it's free as well, what forbids a person from running a signature campaign for a political party?

If his threads get moved to the politics board, he may ask the admin to move other threads to some other boards. For example, they may ask to move peachbitcoin signature campaign thread to the exchangers board. He is using equal features and getting equal benefits like others. You mentioned that they are minority, does it really matter? if you point finger towards him, it will look like you want to shut his mouth because you do not like politics.

A lot of people in this forum does not like gambling as well. They did not asked to stop promoting casinos. Does the forum need so much Gambling? Probably not. I hope the explanation make sense Wink

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There is a section of the forum dedicated for politics and society, even my local board have a section our new mod dedicated for our local politics. This shows that the forum understand the importance of politics and also made provisions for same. Believe it or not, so many things about business and tech including Bitcoin are heavily influenced by politics and US politics is at the core of it. I saw the signature threads you quoted and I just laughed due the author's choice of words and sense of humor, I didn't take it personal even though some people might become too emotional about the posts. Let's loosen up a little and make here as fun as it could possibly be.

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If am not mistaking, I think this is the first time we are having such political campaigns in the service board, and it been new and free, not everyone will easily come to terms with it. For me I have no issues with the politics my only concern is the choice of words the op chooses to use in a public setting where he needs people to voluntarily gear up a signature for free he ought to have been modest with his words.

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Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on August 12, 2024, 04:14:42 AM

I noticed the signature campaign on Donald Trump but I missed the later one on Kamala Harris but by this fact that mindrust runs two campaigns for two Presidential nominees, it's fair enough and he did not skew to any nominee between these two ones.

Did you read the thread for the Kamala Harris thread?

IMO, nothing wrong and that generally the discussions with Trump on Bitcointalk are specific enough and has some sort of connection to Bitcoin. We aren't here to say whose opinions are right or wrong, so I don't think there is any policing to do here.

Similarly, with signature campaigns, the signature space is a free space and each user should be entitled to having the liberty to display whatever they want. I probably wouldn't take too much of an issue with it and just ignore them if they're obnoxious on the forum.

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Have you report the thread to moderators? if you don't have done yet, you will not know if the forum accept it or not. If the thread moved, it means the thread not appropriate to be posted in service section or vice versa.

It's same to Trump, Biden, and Kamala thread in Bitcoin discussion, it doesn't moved to Politics & Society, so the forum think it's appropriate section.

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Quote from: examplens on August 11, 2024, 06:36:39 PM

It seems to me that not a single day passes without a new discussion about Trump, even about his son's statements. I understand that someone is obsessed with politics, and with Trump, among other things, but does it have to be to this extent?
Ok, the elections are in the US, but certainly, this is not primarily a forum only for US people ^{or maybe I'm wrong}, I even think that they are in the minority here.

If forum allows people to run signature campaigns like volunteers without payments for donations, service reviews after mixers were banned, there is no solid reason to ban these political signature campaigns. Not all forum members care about mixers or non kyc exchanges, same for political events in the US.

I noticed the signature campaign on Donald Trump but I missed the later one on Kamala Harris but by this fact that mindrust runs two campaigns for two Presidential nominees, it's fair enough and he did not skew to any nominee between these two ones.

I did not check his text used for two nominees in Personal Text and Signature Space are truly fitted with these nominees and their propaganda recently. People who want to wear these signatures will have to check these details.

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While I think that it's not too bad for now I agree that most of these threads belong to the Politics & Society or in some cases maybe the Press board. After all that's what these boards are for.

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Quote from: examplens on August 11, 2024, 06:36:39 PM

It seems to me that not a single day passes without a new discussion about Trump, even about his son's statements. I understand that someone is obsessed with politics, and with Trump, among other things, but does it have to be to this extent?
Ok, the elections are in the US, but certainly, this is not primarily a forum only for US people ^{or maybe I'm wrong}, I even think that they are in the minority here.
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You are not the only one who doesn't like it, but I long ago accepted that a very large number of members of this forum believe that Bitcoin should somehow be centralized (they will say adapted) into existing systems. The fact that Donald Do Not Trust got involved in that story with his populist behavior is obviously a wet dream for most of them - because it is only important that if possible the price goes up at least x10 as a result, and most of them don't care what happens after that anyway.

In addition, some members do not have the slightest regard for the hygiene of the forum, because if we have 5 topics on the subject of US-Trump-BTC in the Bitcoin discussion, why are new ones being opened? Mods should react together with admins and merge everything into one topic, and what has no place in the Bitcoin discussion or any other board should be moved to Politics and Society or Off topic.

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