Topic: Donald Trump signs executive orders banning TikTok and WeChat (Read 799 times)

It is more likely some companies which already have an history of collecting and mishandling information of their users will take the place of Tik tok, instead new platforms appearing and making clear their priority is security and privacy, to be honest. Actually, it has been established Meta/Facebook is specially interested in Tik Tok being banned/outlawed in the United States, since Til Tok id a formidable direct competition to Facebook and Instagram.
All this situation would be easier to handle if both foreign and national social media companies had to comply with the same regulations about storage of data and respect to privacy, but this case is about a company being foreign and having the potential capability to mess with USA society and politics in the long term.

Increase the power of the Department of Commerce plan? But I wasn't focusing on that. I was focusing on who was being reduced in power if government increases in power. Isn't it the people?

When the power of the people is reduced, to freely communicate where they want, where does such reduction stop? When government forces the people to all wear gray clothing, and to not go to school to learn about freedom, and to not communicate with anybody else, even each other at home?

That's the point... freedom for the people reduction. Not government increase in power.

In defense of my reasoning, i have never been a fan of Tiktok since i heard it as a spying concern signals on sensitive data and national security. The Action is long overdue there should be a regulatory scrutiny over tech platforms or introduction of new apps on any platform market, setting precedents for transparency is important.

Users privacy risks associated with social media apps are so inherent these days. This ban may stimulate the development of alternative platformsthat will prioritize users privacy and data protection.

So you are suggesting behind of this bill there is actually a plan to increase the power of the Department of Commerce, in order for them to do whatever they want with technological companies and products which happen to have any link with a foreign company/organization.
Sure, to me it sounds rather authoritarian to use this law this way. This bill was supposed to be only about Tik Tok or at the maximum, about companies (technological companies) based on China and looking to stockpile as much information from the People of the United States as possible.
I believe the problem is not the gathering of information per se, but rather the fact it is being done by the Communist Chinese Party, you know, it is a good thing when the CIA/FBI is able to spy on everyone, but it is not good when a foreign entity also manages to get that power.
People from Washintong know information is power and they are north willing to give any more power to the CCP than they already have, thanks to their manufacturing power and capabilities in the world market.

The point is the security risk involved with Tik-Tok. So, it's all about security.

If the bill is passed, use it to adjudicate against the government people who passed it. After all, they are a security risk. How? By making a bill/law that takes away freedom and intellectual property rights of common people.

Of course, there are other laws they are breaking with such a bill. Adjudicate against them for breaking those other laws, as well... including their Oaths of Office.


While the GOP Focuses on TikTok, Google Prepares to Devour Everyone Whole

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https://revolver.news/2023/04/while-gop-focuses-on-tiktok-google-prepares-to-devour-everyone-whole/
And yet, the process of banning it is hitting a big stumbling block: Hapless lawmaking. Republican Congressman chasing for a “win” against Big Tech have instead embarrassed themselves and exposed their base to long-term tyranny at the hands of the U.S. administrative state.

Banning TikTok ought to be simple, so naturally, it’s anything but. Instead, Congress is on the precipice of “stopping” TikTok by granting vague, sweeping regulatory authority to yet another branch of the federal government. This time, instead of the FBI, CIA, or DHS, Americans will learn to fear the omnipotent powers of the Department of Commerce.

The bill in question is called the “Restricting the Emergence of Security Threats that Risk Information and Communications Technology Act,” or as it is mercifully abbreviated, the “RESTRICT Act.” The purpose of the RESTRICT Act is, essentially, to allow the Secretary of Commerce to blacklist any tech product, service, or company linked to a “national adversary” that the Secretary considers a threat. For anything banned under the act, a whole universe of “transactions” with them become illegal, and subject to harsh penalties.

Even the press release from Senators Mark Warner and John Thune bragging about the bill’s introduction hints at its underlying problems:

    The RESTRICT Act establishes a risk-based process, tailored to the rapidly changing technology and threat environment, by directing the Department of Commerce to identify and mitigate foreign threats to information and communications technology products and services.
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Bringing this thread back to the first page because how lately the lawmakers of the United States are again aiming to restrict or even ban Tik tok, in the case it does not get sold to a North American company which would take over it.

Both politicians and the people of the United States seems to be submerged in an intense debate on whether the existence of the Application in their national markets is indeed a threat against national security, because the undisclosed gathering of information by the company behind the management of Tik Tok.
Though, it is important to point out there are companies in the United States (like Meta) which would benefit much from the ban of Tik Tok, since it would be an opportunity for someone else in the market to replace the app.
I think it won't get banned, it is more likely it will get sold to a different entity.

What are your thoughts on this situation with this app, do you sincerely believe it is a threat against the national security of the United States?

I have never said that facebook should be allowed, I have never said anything about any american company, I am not american myself so I would rather tiktok, facebook, instagram and all the other websites that collects data from you personally should be banned, but this DOES include tiktok and we are on the topic of tiktok right now.

If you want you can open a topic about facebook collecting data and we could argue that how that is wrong as well, but to come on tiktok topic and say that "facebook does it too" is the epitome of trying to clear tiktok for doing something very illegal and very very much evil.

Tiktok should be banned all around the world and the headquarters should be demolished, if you want to talk about other places go do it on another place and I will come agree with you I promise, but here we are talking about Chinese dictator that kills tens of millions of people every year collecting your data, there is no "what about" in this situation.

Also, Chinese spy used WeChat to chat with partners in India regarding Dalai Lama.
And Indian is also considering banning WeChat.

Here's the latest of this long saga, Microsoft out of race to purchase TikTok as US ban draws near. So who's left? Oracle, very interesting that Oracle is really making a pitch to get this controversial apps for now.

I heard that if an American company buys Toktok then they have to pay a part of the payment made to the government as a form of tax or something like that, is it really true or just a rumour?

Meanwhile Instragram rolled out the tiktok like feature in their platform which is exact replica of Tiktok so already lot of users might moved to Reels!

^^ and it seems another player has come into the picture, Oracle throws hat in the ring for TikTok US operations purchase: report.


And another news is this, This be TikTok CEO Kevin Mayar exits, and his reasons? "The decision to leave, after joining on June 1, is due to the political environment 'sharply' changing.". Everyone is really trying to get their hands on Tiktok and I don't think that Trump can do anything about it.

I think the problem for a country like the US is what China would be able to do with American data and what they would use that for.

Would they potentially use it to sway Presidential elections or to push pro china policies in the US as they have the eyes and ears of the American voter? (I mean at least the younger generation on TIKTOK)

So that's the reason that the Trump admin is pushing them out of the US, collecting data on US people is something that the US only wants done by OUR companies.

Another addition to this thread, seems like a few more companies have joined into the bidding for TikTok. Microsoft, Walmart, Twitter, and some others.

Tiktok is not something like QQ, it is their own idea and China produces quality products as well from Iphone to parts for space crafts and lot more.Tiktok was created with good intention of teaching things online with quick videos but it went into big failure then they changed into something which shows nudity related contents it it got famous world wide.

When I saw the news on CNN, it says the they were given 45 days to either sell it or face being banned. So, if the parent company that owns Tiktok, which is a Chinese company, doesn’t sell it to a US company they will end up being banned, and WeChat will also face the same if they are not sold to a US company as well. I know that all these things were triggered by the coronavirus that came out from China, everyone is pissed about it. The first time they talked about this, that was Mike Pompeo, I saw the video of him on Twitter pleading with app stores to take down every bad Chinese applications.

From there Trump took over, and got serious about it. Well, even the Chinese has been doing some things that are similar to this, I’ve seen them ban some apps, and also try to go into countries and buy their businesses during this Coronavirus breakout...what can I say?

I agree, how can people argue against banning TikTok. No one knows for sure how close the ties to the communist party are. How we guarantee that our data is not stored in China? Also, don't forget that WhatsApp and Instagram is banned in China. Why should chinese Apps be allowed outside of China, if they ban western technology? Unban foreign technology first, than we can talk about accepting chinese Apps. But they would never do that because they wouldn't be apply to control the information being displayed. This is just another form of censorships we need to stick up against.

But as long as it's Facebook, Google or any other US company, it's just fine? I am 100% with you that people should be warned that TikTok is collecting all sorts of information from your phone. But as I said before, banning it with the argument that TikTok is stealing data is just so hypocritical when your own country does exactly the same.

How the hell would you sue USA or Trump? If it was just a regular company I would understand, hell Trump could ban Twitter itself because he is a butthurt person and he would definitely do his best to make sure he "wins" over someone when in fact he is obviously losing. When twitter shuts him up dude wanted to shut twitter down in response, that is his response to anything, either they love trump or they will be shut down, he is a pure fascist.

However tiktok is literally stealing data by the bunches, it makes sense that any nation would ban tiktok because why would anyone want to have some chinese company have some sort of data breach into their own nation and provide all that sensitive information to a foreign nation, one that is so dangerous. That is why I think it makes sense, the lawsuit would be for nothing at all.

Lawsuits won't matter.

For sure there's been NSA/CIA/FBI involvement and advice in this matter.

But you and I don't know those facts.

waiting for the presidential order where he will ban his own twitter acc lol

And it seems this is far from over, as TikTok to sue US government over ban.

So they are going to fight and challenge Trumps Executive Order against them. Let's see how it goes, it's not clear as to where they are going to file it's lawsuit.