Donald Trump signs executive orders banning TikTok and WeChat - page 3.

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Quote from: beerlover on August 15, 2020, 10:08:14 AM

In this case, if USA is bothered by the fact that TikTok is stealing information of USA citizens and gives it to China, could other nations also ban Facebook?

I mean it is an american company that is basically giving politicians and other bad people information on people that allows them to actually steal those information and use it to better themselves either in power or in money, facebook and tiktok literally has zero difference when it comes to actually stealing information. So, if USA is so bothered about tiktok, why shouldn't other nations be bothered by facebook?

I think it is only fair that facebook should be banned overseas as well. Don't get me wrong I hate china as much as the next guy and I am very very glad that tiktok is banned there, it should be banned everywhere around the world, but also should facebook and instagram as well.

Every country has the authority to take any policies based on national threats and national interests. If a country wants to develop its private sector and the nation's children have a role in society, of course the government must protect and prioritize domestic products. For example in China, after Alibaba controlled the majority of the Chinese market, then Amazon was allowed to operate in China. If the products of the nation's children lose at home to foreign players, it is likely that it is mismanagement by government officials.

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Quote from: AniviaBtc on August 12, 2020, 10:14:40 AM

Many teenagers will probably become clueless why Donald Trump is preparing to ban their favorite app Tiktok. Most of the young ones are not that knowledgeable about those security and they are not aware about those people in China that might enter their privacy. They are ignorant about these scenarios that's why the number of people who are using this platforms are increasing from time to time. Trump is just defending its citizen towards China's software that might attack their country's privacy. This is a great move for Trump but its citizen will not see this as a good decision or good move because they are just focusing on their own benefits on using that Tiktok app.

Good luck trying to reason with a young person about one of his favorite apps being forbidden by the president and then try to convince that very same person to vote for you during the next elections.

While I understand why Donald Trump did this and I do not see it with bad eyes at the same time the American public is very sensitive to any kind of censorship and they're not going to like this one bit and I'll not be surprised if this affected his popularity and the decision cost him a significant amount of votes that could prove critical during the next elections in which he's having problems already to gain support from the population.

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Quote from: beerlover on August 15, 2020, 10:08:14 AM

In this case, if USA is bothered by the fact that TikTok is stealing information of USA citizens and gives it to China, could other nations also ban Facebook?

I was thinking the same thing China could easily have their revenge by banning facebook in their country but then facebook is not just a social application, it is a business for most of the people coz it has a marketplace. " Threatens to impair the security of the United States " , Trump by saying this alone is a hypocrite himself, America has been accused of more like this before they are just good in defending themselves coz some country will know what will happen if they try to mess with United States, now that there are bigger countries than America they are threatened.

Quote from: beerlover on August 15, 2020, 10:08:14 AM

I think it is only fair that facebook should be banned overseas as well. Don't get me wrong I hate china as much as the next guy and I am very very glad that tiktok is banned there, it should be banned everywhere around the world, but also should facebook and instagram as well.

I guess the case with tiktok and facebook is different, every country could simply say this but the thing is facebook has its own server and do not disclose any information to the government, that's what the facebook said. Huh

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I really don't have any concern as to what the president did. One thing I know is that, the decision would be made based on intelligence report and facts for him to rely on and not necessary because of the beef between the two countries. The president signed an oath to protect the citizen and the constitution and if this action is part of it without ulterior motives, then it's still his constitutional rights.

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In this case, if USA is bothered by the fact that TikTok is stealing information of USA citizens and gives it to China, could other nations also ban Facebook?

I mean it is an american company that is basically giving politicians and other bad people information on people that allows them to actually steal those information and use it to better themselves either in power or in money, facebook and tiktok literally has zero difference when it comes to actually stealing information. So, if USA is so bothered about tiktok, why shouldn't other nations be bothered by facebook?

I think it is only fair that facebook should be banned overseas as well. Don't get me wrong I hate china as much as the next guy and I am very very glad that tiktok is banned there, it should be banned everywhere around the world, but also should facebook and instagram as well.

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Quote from: btc_angela on August 10, 2020, 03:36:52 PM

And so the 'war' continues with China, as President Trumps signs executive orders banning Tiktok and WeChat.

India started this technology war by banning several of the applications from China citing security concerns and the same is followed by the US, the amount of money these companies loose is huge and hence they are trying to negotiate with other local businesses to carry on with the business in banned countries as they are loosing millions every month because of these restrictions.

Quote from: btc_angela on August 10, 2020, 03:36:52 PM

Lately we have some topics about this one and seems the community is divided. And it seems that Trump really take this "serious" threat from China. Let's see how Microsoft will react, they supposedly shows intention on buying TikTok.

In India TikTok has approached Reliance to purchase the application for the Indian audience and in the US they have approached Microsoft and the decision depends upon the government approval.

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Quote from: bits4books on August 14, 2020, 01:18:09 AM

It was very funny - first trump lashed out at Ticktock and today Apple and Google have removed Fortnite from their stores. It feels like this is all some very bad game... Imagine a crowd of ten thousand teenagers who demand to return their freedom to post a cringe in Tiktok and spend money in fortnite. The most terrible force!

They are doing everything to ban Chinese product not unless those Chinese company agrees to the terms and conditions of USA. American companies will always be under the influence of their own government, and will always follow them or else they will face consequences as well.

This can be a good move considering the trust issues with China right now, and many teenagers are sharing their personal details without thinking for the consequences. We might see other countries to follow this especially India since the tension on their border continues to heat up.

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Quote from: seagates on August 14, 2020, 03:03:47 AM

Looks like Trump just hating everything that connected with China. Who the hell use wechat outside China?

WeChat has been released in the following OS: Android, iOS, macOS, Windows. So imagine how many users potentially used it. In Playstore alone, it has been downloaded in millions so there's a big possibility that there are many users outside of China have it installed in their system. But the problem is with Trump, and it seems that he is blaming China for everything that has happened not just in the US but the whole world. And I agree that this is politically motivated indeed. He wanted to flex his muscle again to the Chinese.

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it is all about the stupid US supremacy that Trump thinks can only be achieved by greasing the pole behind you and his whole foreign policy is based on that.
the only "threat" these companies pose is that they have taken the market from their exact US copies.

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the threat posed by apps such as TikTok and WeChat.
The second order says that like TikTok, WeChat automatically captures vast swaths of information from its users, similarly noting again the ties to the Chinese Communist Party.

with that logic companies like Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, and lots of other US based companies should be shut down because they pose a similar national security and capture much vaster swaths of information from their users. not to mention the NSA should be shut down too!

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Quote from: MCobian on August 14, 2020, 02:06:13 AM

I don't understand the way the Chinese government thinks, because based on the information I got, Donald Trump decided to ban TikTok and
WeChat. Starting from China, which previously banned several sites from America, one of which was China that banned Facebook. So apart
from the issue of spying and theft of personal data, TikTok and WeChat platforms will be banning by President Trump for retaliation. Because
China started banned many American websites first. In fact, India first banned TikTok and WeChat related to border conflicts. So I think China
is always looking for problems with other countries.

They are doing this for years, China do something we see a retaliation from the US, US do something we see retaliation from China! Big corporations
and their interest across the world, who will make more profit, who will have more power... and they are big even now, probably they wish to be bigger
in the future. If I am not in crypto I would be one of the conspiracy theorists probably, but I am in crypto and I don't give a fuck for their stupid social
networks and all other centralized corporations! Crypto can solve many problems, solving a need for centralized governments is the one of the best things
crypto can do!

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Quote from: seagates on August 14, 2020, 03:03:47 AM

Looks like Trump just hating everything that connected with China. Who the hell use wechat outside China?

There are still plenty of people who uses WeChat in their country, having connections with China. People are mentioning the word "spy" then, of course, all of the related apps to China should be banned even there are no or few users of it. That's how you implement security measures, there should be no exception and they're currently having a war with China, it's not just about 'hating' them.

Chinese have their goal of conquering all of the nations without implementing military war, and that method is working right now, other nations are aware of it. The current pandemic is also advantage for them, they're freely increasing their economic and showing that they aren't affected of it.

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With all the fuss regarding Chinese apps, it's not a surprise that Trump is going to do this. There might be vulnerabilities being caused by the applications with all the spying and everything.

Quote from: seagates on August 14, 2020, 03:03:47 AM

Looks like Trump just hating everything that connected with China. Who the hell use wechat outside China?

There are some people who use WeChat even when they are not residing in China. I have used it before but forgot my account there. Now, it's quite hard to register knowing that you need someone to activate it for you and is actually an active user in WeChat.

I remember someone posting in BTCT wanting to look for someone who has WeChat to activate it for him.

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Quote from: bayu7adi on August 13, 2020, 10:58:28 PM

In the future, this trade war will spread to a military war between the US and China. Most likely, a major war between the two countries has occurred through the COVID19 virus in December 2019 (and we are also affected by this annoying thing).

Why do you think would Trump or the US want to escalate the tensions to a military conflict? For Trump only to get reelected? The US has enough problems already on their own soil, so going into a war they cannot win is definitely not what they want.

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Looks like Trump just hating everything that connected with China. Who the hell use wechat outside China?

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I don't understand the way the Chinese government thinks, because based on the information I got, Donald Trump decided to ban TikTok and
WeChat. Starting from China, which previously banned several sites from America, one of which was China that banned Facebook. So apart
from the issue of spying and theft of personal data, TikTok and WeChat platforms will be banning by President Trump for retaliation. Because
China started banned many American websites first. In fact, India first banned TikTok and WeChat related to border conflicts. So I think China
is always looking for problems with other countries.

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Quote from: bits4books on August 14, 2020, 01:18:09 AM

It was very funny - first trump lashed out at Ticktock and today Apple and Google have removed Fortnite from their stores. It feels like this is all some very bad game... Imagine a crowd of ten thousand teenagers who demand to return their freedom to post a cringe in Tiktok and spend money in fortnite. The most terrible force!

They are doing everything to ban Chinese product not unless those Chinese company agrees to the terms and conditions of USA. American companies will always be under the influence of their own government, and will always follow them or else they will face consequences as well.

This can be a good move considering the trust issues with China right now, and many teenagers are sharing their personal details without thinking for the consequences. We might see other countries to follow this especially India since the tension on their border continues to heat up.

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It was very funny - first trump lashed out at Ticktock and today Apple and Google have removed Fortnite from their stores. It feels like this is all some very bad game... Imagine a crowd of ten thousand teenagers who demand to return their freedom to post a cringe in Tiktok and spend money in fortnite. The most terrible force!

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In the future, this trade war will spread to a military war between the US and China. Most likely, a major war between the two countries has occurred through the COVID19 virus in December 2019 (and we are also affected by this annoying thing).
Then a few weeks ago, in China it rained incessantly which resulted in flooding

https://multimedia.scmp.com/infographics/news/china/article/3094790/china-floods/index.html

This incident is of course very strange, and there are indications that this is one of the pranks of a country that owns a tool that can manipulate the weather, namely HAARP.

https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program

And the indication of war will occur before the election on US, and can be sure this is the will of the current president

https://eurasiantimes.com/us-could-attack-nansha-islands-in-south-china-sea-before-us-elections-chinese-military-experts/

I'm not interested in this war, but if WW3 happens my whole family will be disturbed. In other words, I will side with one of the countries to jazz up the war

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Since 2012 Tiktok technology has been giving a challenge to all viewers in social media by projecting their ability or talent in 3 to 15 seconds and basically it is suitable to all open-minded most especially on young audiences. I think for how many years of their services in the world,nothing went wrong about this desirable social network, eventually, due to the faulty producing a bad influence video through the related person, in a seconds they had a fundamental breach to all aspects that the theory on the unexpected happen has been incapable of bridging, the question behind this is why their artificial intelligence are allowing this matter, honestly, almost all teenagers had a constant irritates by US president due to the executive orders of banning.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on August 13, 2020, 08:56:19 AM

Quote from: bitgolden on August 12, 2020, 08:09:06 AM

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On the contrary, there has been a reports that Microsoft itself with generate billions up acquiring Tiktok,

https://www.benzinga.com/analyst-ratings/analyst-color/20/08/17010623/what-buying-tiktok-could-mean-for-microsoft
But remain to be seen.

So, potentially this is going to be the biggest acquisition of Microsoft then.
They really see a really huge profit from TikTok as it has not been in its peak yet. I personally don't think TikTok will eventually die down without the Microsoft making tons of profit from it.
I'm not sure, but lets see and wait what's next to happen.

On the other end, I doubt this ban hasn't something to do with the threat to national security (not at least from how the app was created), but this is more like a personal purpose for Trump against China.

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