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US President Donald Trump has signed an executive order banning popular Chinese apps like TikTok and therefore the like as a threat to national security and therefore the country's economy. US President Donald Trump has taken far better steps to ban TikTok. they're taking personal data through Google and Facebook the Chinese communist party also will allow Americans to access personal and proprietary information and Tick Talk has been banned for security reasons.
If a company from USA ends up buying tiktok that would be the worst type of acqusation out there. Tiktok is just a social media phenom right now that will die down, all remember vine? Everyone was using vine for a long period of time and after a while they all stopped, now almost nobody uses it, or at least I haven't seen any in years.
On the contrary, there has been a reports that Microsoft itself with generate billions up acquiring Tiktok,https://www.benzinga.com/analyst-ratings/analyst-color/20/08/17010623/what-buying-tiktok-could-mean-for-microsoft
But remain to be seen.
So that means tiktok is something to ban right now, and if you ban it, that means you will not get to see it for a long period of time ever again, it will die down, however if you end up buying it, that means you are going to pay a lot of money at its peak height for something that will die down and not be big of a deal anymore. I wouldn't even buy facebook right now, not the company but the website, so that shows how much I think tiktok is a bad decision for microsoft.
So let's see how Microsoft could turn around this ban from Trump. Initially it was said the ban is just for 45 days so perhaps after that it will be allowed but with censorship. So it could be the blunder of the century (for Microsoft at least).
I think Donald Trump's moves are correct. He has just banned a few Chinese websites and apps. The software was accused of stealing user data. It's too dangerous.
China has banned most apps and websites from the US, such as Google, Facebook, Yahoo ...
China can ban apps coming from the US market, as well as ban back. In this comparison, I think China has banned more than the US.
China has banned most apps and websites from the US, such as Google, Facebook, Yahoo ...
China can ban apps coming from the US market, as well as ban back. In this comparison, I think China has banned more than the US.
The more interesting the war between China and America, before that China had banned several websites from America.
I think it is only natural for Donald Trump to do the same with China by planning to ban TikTok and WeChat. Moreover,
the issue of spying and stealing information from the TikTok and WeChat applications is what Trump is afraid of. What these
two countries have done provides a bad example for other countries, this kind of unfair competition will be detrimental
both sides.
I think it is only natural for Donald Trump to do the same with China by planning to ban TikTok and WeChat. Moreover,
the issue of spying and stealing information from the TikTok and WeChat applications is what Trump is afraid of. What these
two countries have done provides a bad example for other countries, this kind of unfair competition will be detrimental
both sides.
The phenomenon that the free market is getting away from America. Trump is a nationalist and Trump imitates China's strategy when protecting private Chinese from the onslaught of foreign platforms. Where China created and raised the Chinese version of the platform, including; Alibaba is China's Amazon, Wechat is China's WA, QQ is China's Gmail, Weibo is China's Twitter, Renren is China's FB, and apps like Baidu, Didi Chuxing, Baike, Nice and Youku. With the protection of the private state, China does not need to compete with foreign products, which in the end, even though they belong to the nationality, are owned by foreigners (happened in my country)
Trump as a nationalist sees that a large number of active users of Tik Tok around the world with a large capitalization is a national threat for America because it is global. Trump is trying to control globalists through pressure to divest and create similar applications. Will this Trump strategy reverse the habit of "oligarchs controlling government officials", becoming a state controlling oligarchs. National Threat is the reason that allows Trump to control Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Tik Tok.
Trump as a nationalist sees that a large number of active users of Tik Tok around the world with a large capitalization is a national threat for America because it is global. Trump is trying to control globalists through pressure to divest and create similar applications. Will this Trump strategy reverse the habit of "oligarchs controlling government officials", becoming a state controlling oligarchs. National Threat is the reason that allows Trump to control Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Tik Tok.
The world has been shifting to globalism for some decades now, it's unlikely that one person in power can reverse course at this point. Think for a second if Facebook, Twitter, Amazon etc. could only get traffic from US users because of a nationalist policy. This hurts the company, and all the consumers elsewhere that could've benefited from the service. Also, if Honda, Toyota et al could only sell their cars to Japanese customers, then demand will decrease and cause a drop in markets and eventually make a depression.
I believe that in this situation it really is a matter of state security measures, since the United States is in a difficult position and given that social networks Tiktok are of Chinese origin, that is, there is a suspicion that the Chinese government may collect personal data using this application. In this regard, the US government is conducting a serious investigation. And apparently the problems are very serious if Microsoft suspended negotiations with the Chinese company ByteDance.
Many teenagers will probably become clueless why Donald Trump is preparing to ban their favorite app Tiktok. Most of the young ones are not that knowledgeable about those security and they are not aware about those people in China that might enter their privacy. They are ignorant about these scenarios that's why the number of people who are using this platforms are increasing from time to time. Trump is just defending its citizen towards China's software that might attack their country's privacy. This is a great move for Trump but its citizen will not see this as a good decision or good move because they are just focusing on their own benefits on using that Tiktok app.
And so the 'war' continues with China, as President Trumps signs executive orders banning Tiktok and WeChat.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/donald-trump-signs-executive-orders-banning-tiktok-and-wechat/
Lately we have some topics about this one and seems the community is divided. And it seems that Trump really take this "serious" threat from China. Let's see how Microsoft will react, they supposedly shows intention on buying TikTok.
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United States President Donald Trump has signed two executive orders addressing what he has labelled as the threat posed by apps such as TikTok and WeChat.
The president is calling the pair of Chinese apps a "national emergency" with respect to the information and communications technology and services supply chain.
According to the first order that will take effect in 45 days, any transaction with TikTok's owner, ByteDance Ltd, or its subsidiaries, will be prohibited. The second order similarly prohibits any transaction that is related to WeChat by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, with Tencent Holdings.
The second order says that like TikTok, WeChat automatically captures vast swaths of information from its users, similarly noting again the ties to the Chinese Communist Party.
"WeChat, like TikTok, also reportedly censors content that the Chinese Communist Party deems politically sensitive and may also be used for disinformation campaigns that benefit the Chinese Communist Party," it adds.
"The United States must take aggressive action against the owner of WeChat to protect our national security."
The president is calling the pair of Chinese apps a "national emergency" with respect to the information and communications technology and services supply chain.
According to the first order that will take effect in 45 days, any transaction with TikTok's owner, ByteDance Ltd, or its subsidiaries, will be prohibited. The second order similarly prohibits any transaction that is related to WeChat by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, with Tencent Holdings.
The second order says that like TikTok, WeChat automatically captures vast swaths of information from its users, similarly noting again the ties to the Chinese Communist Party.
"WeChat, like TikTok, also reportedly censors content that the Chinese Communist Party deems politically sensitive and may also be used for disinformation campaigns that benefit the Chinese Communist Party," it adds.
"The United States must take aggressive action against the owner of WeChat to protect our national security."
https://www.zdnet.com/article/donald-trump-signs-executive-orders-banning-tiktok-and-wechat/
Lately we have some topics about this one and seems the community is divided. And it seems that Trump really take this "serious" threat from China. Let's see how Microsoft will react, they supposedly shows intention on buying TikTok.
It's a perfect step by US administration. First India banned 59 Chinese apps and now US. I hope rest of world will follow the same and ban any kind of Chinese origin apps. Also I don't think we need a discussion on that!
Chinese government had banned any kind of non-chinese apps and websites since a long time now. You can't access Google, Facebook, whatsapp from China. They have their own version of such apps under Chinese ownership. So when US made apss can't do business in Chinese soil, why Chinese apps should be allowed to do business with the rest of the world?
If a company from USA ends up buying tiktok that would be the worst type of acqusation out there. Tiktok is just a social media phenom right now that will die down, all remember vine? Everyone was using vine for a long period of time and after a while they all stopped, now almost nobody uses it, or at least I haven't seen any in years.
So that means tiktok is something to ban right now, and if you ban it, that means you will not get to see it for a long period of time ever again, it will die down, however if you end up buying it, that means you are going to pay a lot of money at its peak height for something that will die down and not be big of a deal anymore. I wouldn't even buy facebook right now, not the company but the website, so that shows how much I think tiktok is a bad decision for microsoft.
So that means tiktok is something to ban right now, and if you ban it, that means you will not get to see it for a long period of time ever again, it will die down, however if you end up buying it, that means you are going to pay a lot of money at its peak height for something that will die down and not be big of a deal anymore. I wouldn't even buy facebook right now, not the company but the website, so that shows how much I think tiktok is a bad decision for microsoft.
From what I know Microsoft already bought TikTok's US market for 50 Billion dollars and that deal is the supposed solution for TikTok being banned in the US. They just confirmed it yesterday and that executive order is nothing now since the sale of their US market branch is now owned by a US company. Although they might not be operating right now as there will be various changes as well as inspections just to make sure that the new software/app of TikTok hasn't have any malicious software in it.
It is just another form of censorship, because the Trump administration knows platforms like TikTok and WeChat are not under their control and movements like the BLM protestors are turning to platforms like this to expose the real problems in the USA.
China and these platforms are not using algorithms to hide or moderate this type of criticism of his government and the actions of his police force and he does not like that, because it will hurt him in the next election.
People also use these platforms to organize protests and the US government has no control to monitor who is behind these actions, because it is not a US based company. (even worst, it is owned by a Chinese company)
China and these platforms are not using algorithms to hide or moderate this type of criticism of his government and the actions of his police force and he does not like that, because it will hurt him in the next election.
People also use these platforms to organize protests and the US government has no control to monitor who is behind these actions, because it is not a US based company. (even worst, it is owned by a Chinese company)
Meanwhile in China.
Social media app like Facebook has been banned for a long time, my Chinese cousin told me.
That's why they have their own messaging/social media like qq.
Social media app like Facebook has been banned for a long time, my Chinese cousin told me.
That's why they have their own messaging/social media like qq.
Means that it's just equal and this executive orders from US Pres. Trump was already late.
Both leaders are showing their dominance, they are bringing things seriously a silent ways of saying that I'm not afraid and I'm willing to take you.
We don't know how far this two giant nations will go and how they will
move in the next coming days.
As long as there will be unity for these two countries, don't expect that they will stop competing in most things. Banning here, banning there.
Personally I don't see anything wrong about Tiktok getting banned on the US since most US and Western apps are banned in China. You can't properly run Google straight-up on a Chinese phone and you have to do some tweaking before Gapps run smoothly without a hitch. Also, it's not new that apps like this is used for spying and gathering sensitive information on other countries. I would not like to sound like these things are coming straight out of a fictional action film but it's the reality. Heck, there are some small applications that has nothing to do with altering and managing phone calls and messages but you need to allow the app to access those in order for it to work as intended.
As for the ban, I'm not entirely sure whether Microsoft acquiring it is a good idea, or whether they will push through with this or not since one of the markets they're aiming for already expressed its plans to ban the app. As always, this has been the never-ending subtle attacks between two economic superpowers besting each other on even the littlest of things.
Everything is interconnected with business, and this is where Microsoft is using it an opportunity to acquire tiktok. ByteDance which is the authority for tiktok hasn't shown any sign of interest selling it to Microsoft. When China has got its own application, why should other countries let Chinese applications make revenue out of other countries. My opinion too is the same, I don't find anything wrong with it. With more number of applications banned from usage, there is a huge loss being faced by the Chinese technology based firms. Maybe they'll soon tie-up with some other companies to have its global presence for sure. As for the ban, I'm not entirely sure whether Microsoft acquiring it is a good idea, or whether they will push through with this or not since one of the markets they're aiming for already expressed its plans to ban the app. As always, this has been the never-ending subtle attacks between two economic superpowers besting each other on even the littlest of things.
And so the 'war' continues with China, as President Trumps signs executive orders banning Tiktok and WeChat.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/donald-trump-signs-executive-orders-banning-tiktok-and-wechat/
Lately we have some topics about this one and seems the community is divided. And it seems that Trump really take this "serious" threat from China. Let's see how Microsoft will react, they supposedly shows intention on buying TikTok.
We knew this was coming so it is not really a surprise but at the same time it is interesting that the president has decided to actually follow through with his threats, because no one is really going to believe his reasoning, after all we know that all social media platforms spy on you and try to get as much information as they can so they can monetize you.Quote
United States President Donald Trump has signed two executive orders addressing what he has labelled as the threat posed by apps such as TikTok and WeChat.
The president is calling the pair of Chinese apps a "national emergency" with respect to the information and communications technology and services supply chain.
According to the first order that will take effect in 45 days, any transaction with TikTok's owner, ByteDance Ltd, or its subsidiaries, will be prohibited. The second order similarly prohibits any transaction that is related to WeChat by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, with Tencent Holdings.
The second order says that like TikTok, WeChat automatically captures vast swaths of information from its users, similarly noting again the ties to the Chinese Communist Party.
"WeChat, like TikTok, also reportedly censors content that the Chinese Communist Party deems politically sensitive and may also be used for disinformation campaigns that benefit the Chinese Communist Party," it adds.
"The United States must take aggressive action against the owner of WeChat to protect our national security."
The president is calling the pair of Chinese apps a "national emergency" with respect to the information and communications technology and services supply chain.
According to the first order that will take effect in 45 days, any transaction with TikTok's owner, ByteDance Ltd, or its subsidiaries, will be prohibited. The second order similarly prohibits any transaction that is related to WeChat by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, with Tencent Holdings.
The second order says that like TikTok, WeChat automatically captures vast swaths of information from its users, similarly noting again the ties to the Chinese Communist Party.
"WeChat, like TikTok, also reportedly censors content that the Chinese Communist Party deems politically sensitive and may also be used for disinformation campaigns that benefit the Chinese Communist Party," it adds.
"The United States must take aggressive action against the owner of WeChat to protect our national security."
https://www.zdnet.com/article/donald-trump-signs-executive-orders-banning-tiktok-and-wechat/
Lately we have some topics about this one and seems the community is divided. And it seems that Trump really take this "serious" threat from China. Let's see how Microsoft will react, they supposedly shows intention on buying TikTok.
In that sense TikTok is not really that different from any other social media site and application the only difference is that since that application comes from China they have forbidden it, but when we take into account that many applications and websites are banned in China then in a way it makes sense that the United States has finally decided to do the same.
Personally I don't see anything wrong about Tiktok getting banned on the US since most US and Western apps are banned in China. You can't properly run Google straight-up on a Chinese phone and you have to do some tweaking before Gapps run smoothly without a hitch. Also, it's not new that apps like this is used for spying and gathering sensitive information on other countries. I would not like to sound like these things are coming straight out of a fictional action film but it's the reality. Heck, there are some small applications that has nothing to do with altering and managing phone calls and messages but you need to allow the app to access those in order for it to work as intended.
As for the ban, I'm not entirely sure whether Microsoft acquiring it is a good idea, or whether they will push through with this or not since one of the markets they're aiming for already expressed its plans to ban the app. As always, this has been the never-ending subtle attacks between two economic superpowers besting each other on even the littlest of things.
As for the ban, I'm not entirely sure whether Microsoft acquiring it is a good idea, or whether they will push through with this or not since one of the markets they're aiming for already expressed its plans to ban the app. As always, this has been the never-ending subtle attacks between two economic superpowers besting each other on even the littlest of things.
I have no idea whether Tiktok (ByteDance) will actually sell it to Microsoft but if it can be used to spy as Trump said then the more interested will Microsoft would be after its what they always do. MS just love investing in projects that are dying. Once Tiktok is banned, it might just die too.
Yeah, I thought they were only going to ban TikTok, didn’t know that WeChat was on the list. Those two are like the biggest Chinese-owned social media apps. Now that they have banned these Chinese apps/companies, are the Chinese going to retaliate in any other means??? Although I don’t think there is really anything they can do that will hit the US as hard as this one is going to hit them. They lost the US market, which is like the biggest market in the world.
I have been seeing some people who are arguing that there is nothing wrong with the TikTok app, because the thing they are doing is the same thing that Facebook and other platforms that are US-owned are doing, and apps like Facebook and Google are highly intrusive more than this TikTok and WeChat. Anyway, they just want information that belongs to their citizen to fall into the wrong hands I guess, and India has done the same thing and banned some of these Chinese apps. Mark seized this opportunity to create his Reels and is now worth around $100 billion.
I have been seeing some people who are arguing that there is nothing wrong with the TikTok app, because the thing they are doing is the same thing that Facebook and other platforms that are US-owned are doing, and apps like Facebook and Google are highly intrusive more than this TikTok and WeChat. Anyway, they just want information that belongs to their citizen to fall into the wrong hands I guess, and India has done the same thing and banned some of these Chinese apps. Mark seized this opportunity to create his Reels and is now worth around $100 billion.
WeChat includes payment system which the Chinese living in US can use to sent elsewhere, they definitely will retaliate.
Yeah, I thought they were only going to ban TikTok, didn’t know that WeChat was on the list. Those two are like the biggest Chinese-owned social media apps. Now that they have banned these Chinese apps/companies, are the Chinese going to retaliate in any other means??? Although I don’t think there is really anything they can do that will hit the US as hard as this one is going to hit them. They lost the US market, which is like the biggest market in the world.
I have been seeing some people who are arguing that there is nothing wrong with the TikTok app, because the thing they are doing is the same thing that Facebook and other platforms that are US-owned are doing, and apps like Facebook and Google are highly intrusive more than this TikTok and WeChat. Anyway, they just want information that belongs to their citizen to fall into the wrong hands I guess, and India has done the same thing and banned some of these Chinese apps. Mark seized this opportunity to create his Reels and is now worth around $100 billion.
I have been seeing some people who are arguing that there is nothing wrong with the TikTok app, because the thing they are doing is the same thing that Facebook and other platforms that are US-owned are doing, and apps like Facebook and Google are highly intrusive more than this TikTok and WeChat. Anyway, they just want information that belongs to their citizen to fall into the wrong hands I guess, and India has done the same thing and banned some of these Chinese apps. Mark seized this opportunity to create his Reels and is now worth around $100 billion.
If China doesn't want other countries apps even Google and facebook is not allowed in China but they expect all the other countries to use their apps and browsers, which isn't really fair right.I don't know the intention behind this ban but those things are right, tiktok is screening contents and also they are making the younger generation more addictive which is illegal in many countries but tiktok is featuring those contents.
Wechat and TikTok are both collateral damage here, Google and FaceBook are both guilty of data harvesting, the only thing I feel China has done wrong is the closed market it is practicing, if you ban other companies from your countries from doing business you don't need to be crying foul when you received the same treatment from others.
What Trump has done is nothing more than the continuation of a completely different policy towards China than the one that existed before. Those who follow this board know that India has done the same thing, with the difference that they banned as many as 59 Chinese apps. Conflicts between great powers have always existed, and what is actually changing is the way they play out - and now it is more than clear that the war has moved into the digital domain. As far as I am concerned, it is much better than a conventional war where people lose their lives, lose their property or become refugees.
On the other hand, if it turns out to be true that some US companies really want to buy these apps, then the policy directly helps to reduce the value of those companies before the sale happens. Again, from the position of a remote observer, I don't see much logic in banning such apps - except perhaps banning their use in places important to national security (security agencies, the Ministry of Defense, the White House).
The average Joe who uses TikTok at school, a fast food restaurant or in his apartment can't really endanger national security.
On the other hand, if it turns out to be true that some US companies really want to buy these apps, then the policy directly helps to reduce the value of those companies before the sale happens. Again, from the position of a remote observer, I don't see much logic in banning such apps - except perhaps banning their use in places important to national security (security agencies, the Ministry of Defense, the White House).
The average Joe who uses TikTok at school, a fast food restaurant or in his apartment can't really endanger national security.
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