Donald Trump signs executive orders banning TikTok and WeChat - page 2.

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Quote from: wack slacker on August 22, 2020, 04:38:07 AM

China is looking for ways to manipulate the world economy by exporting all the goods it can make money with to other countries. They also export Chinese culture. They created TikTok, WeChat to collect the data of people around the world, but they banned other technology companies from developing in China. In China, they don't use FACEBOOK, GOOGLE, TWITTER ... They also use a firewall to block people from accessing social media accounts. It is time for the world to look back on China's economic and social influence. I don't think Tiktok will sell himself to Microsoft because they understand that they have too much influence on the world.

so serves right here. if they are banning fb, google, twitter and others, i think it's time for the world to ban chinese socmed also especially this tiktok..but anyway, i guess most of the users of this app are millennials who have nothing to do but share whatever they want, their daily life and so on. needs affirmation from others via likes or comments. but for oldies, we dont need these..

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WeChat is even funnier because this messenger is not needed by anyone except the Chinese themselves in their native China so it's even funnier

We know that WeChat is Chinese whats ap version, but many people around the world download this we chat application so they can connect with China, especially for business matters. Because other applications are restricted in China, many people who want to communicate easily with Chinese residents are forced to install the WeChat application. I am one of those who actively use the WeChat application to communicate with my buyers who buy fresh and live seafood products for the Chinese and Hong Kong markets. China is very smart, right?

Here you are talking about a business that will always find a way to contact, there are still email services, etc.
Business needs WeChat (since you are talking about it) but I think that they are not so much companies than need it that trump would listen to business opinion on this point.

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China is looking for ways to manipulate the world economy by exporting all the goods it can make money with to other countries. They also export Chinese culture. They created TikTok, WeChat to collect the data of people around the world, but they banned other technology companies from developing in China. In China, they don't use FACEBOOK, GOOGLE, TWITTER ... They also use a firewall to block people from accessing social media accounts. It is time for the world to look back on China's economic and social influence. I don't think Tiktok will sell himself to Microsoft because they understand that they have too much influence on the world.

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Trump will never end this battle against China as long as he is the US president while the effect is already obvious towards their economy.

Accusing tiktok and wechat as a surveillance apparatus of china to the whole world.(this is what i have watched in news)

What about US having eye to the world?

It's obvious that he doesn't care about that, even if we accept the premise that those two applications are surveilling people Trump is not doing this because of that, as we know he is engaged in a personal war against China and he is going to take any excuse to try to keep reminding people of this, so this is not about the right of privacy of their citizens this is nothing more but a political move done by the US president.

If he really cared about the privacy of his citizens then other measures should follow and social networks like Facebook and Twitter must change their policies or face the same consequences, but we need to be honest with ourselves that is never going to happen.

Political matter or not but i do see such decision was just really right but we cant really deny the fact that they can do all things that they want.If they want to impose ban then they can do it without minding on what
would be the possible industries or sectors would be mainly affected.

Sooner or later there would be such changes about those Bans just like on what happened with Huawie trade ban and this one about Tiktok and wechat. There are no other ways to change this stuff
as long the president itself wont lift such decision.

Personal war? High chances.

But this is only temporarily ban on them right, not even the app got banned meanwhile, what happened with Microsoft buying tiktok?

Is there any update related to that?

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Quote from: bits4books on August 21, 2020, 01:54:48 AM

WeChat is even funnier because this messenger is not needed by anyone except the Chinese themselves in their native China so it's even funnier

We know that WeChat is Chinese whats ap version, but many people around the world download this we chat application so they can connect with China, especially for business matters. Because other applications are restricted in China, many people who want to communicate easily with Chinese residents are forced to install the WeChat application. I am one of those who actively use the WeChat application to communicate with my buyers who buy fresh and live seafood products for the Chinese and Hong Kong markets. China is very smart, right?

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All is fair in love and war, this is an economic supremacy war. China is a closed system that want their products to see no competition, so nothing wrong with what President Trump has done.

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This is of course a very funny situation - but I'm more interested in the outcome than the process. What will people say (all these young people who upload millions of videos into tiktok every day) when their favorite entertainment is banned? It will be interesting to see how much all these left-wing units love their freedom and what they will be willing to do to defend it. If the BLM didn't work for trump (he just recognized Antifa as terrorists), what can we expect from him now?
WeChat is even funnier because this messenger is not needed by anyone except the Chinese themselves in their native China so it's even funnier

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Quote from: wxa7115 on August 20, 2020, 11:48:56 AM

Quote from: carlisle1 on August 17, 2020, 10:05:29 AM

Trump will never end this battle against China as long as he is the US president while the effect is already obvious towards their economy.

Accusing tiktok and wechat as a surveillance apparatus of china to the whole world.(this is what i have watched in news)

What about US having eye to the world?

It's obvious that he doesn't care about that, even if we accept the premise that those two applications are surveilling people Trump is not doing this because of that, as we know he is engaged in a personal war against China and he is going to take any excuse to try to keep reminding people of this, so this is not about the right of privacy of their citizens this is nothing more but a political move done by the US president.

If he really cared about the privacy of his citizens then other measures should follow and social networks like Facebook and Twitter must change their policies or face the same consequences, but we need to be honest with ourselves that is never going to happen.

Political matter or not but i do see such decision was just really right but we cant really deny the fact that they can do all things that they want.If they want to impose ban then they can do it without minding on what
would be the possible industries or sectors would be mainly affected.

Sooner or later there would be such changes about those Bans just like on what happened with Huawie trade ban and this one about Tiktok and wechat. There are no other ways to change this stuff
as long the president itself wont lift such decision.

Personal war? High chances.

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Quote from: btc_angela on August 10, 2020, 03:36:52 PM

And so the 'war' continues with China, as President Trumps signs executive orders banning Tiktok and WeChat.

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United States President Donald Trump has signed two executive orders addressing what he has labelled as the threat posed by apps such as TikTok and WeChat.

The president is calling the pair of Chinese apps a "national emergency" with respect to the information and communications technology and services supply chain.

According to the first order that will take effect in 45 days, any transaction with TikTok's owner, ByteDance Ltd, or its subsidiaries, will be prohibited. The second order similarly prohibits any transaction that is related to WeChat by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, with Tencent Holdings.

The second order says that like TikTok, WeChat automatically captures vast swaths of information from its users, similarly noting again the ties to the Chinese Communist Party.

"WeChat, like TikTok, also reportedly censors content that the Chinese Communist Party deems politically sensitive and may also be used for disinformation campaigns that benefit the Chinese Communist Party," it adds.

"The United States must take aggressive action against the owner of WeChat to protect our national security."

https://www.zdnet.com/article/donald-trump-signs-executive-orders-banning-tiktok-and-wechat/

Lately we have some topics about this one and seems the community is divided. And it seems that Trump really take this "serious" threat from China. Let's see how Microsoft will react, they supposedly shows intention on buying TikTok.

I had thought this was just for tiktok, didn't know wechat was included, well, anyway it's nothing a VPN can't solve. I know many US businesses (including crypto businesses) use WeChat to contact chinese users. Let's see how they implement it in the end

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Quote from: carlisle1 on August 17, 2020, 10:05:29 AM

Trump will never end this battle against China as long as he is the US president while the effect is already obvious towards their economy.

Accusing tiktok and wechat as a surveillance apparatus of china to the whole world.(this is what i have watched in news)

What about US having eye to the world?

It's obvious that he doesn't care about that, even if we accept the premise that those two applications are surveilling people Trump is not doing this because of that, as we know he is engaged in a personal war against China and he is going to take any excuse to try to keep reminding people of this, so this is not about the right of privacy of their citizens this is nothing more but a political move done by the US president.

If he really cared about the privacy of his citizens then other measures should follow and social networks like Facebook and Twitter must change their policies or face the same consequences, but we need to be honest with ourselves that is never going to happen.

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Trump's every move is to take a higher version stand against China. Right now the ban of applications by America and India is a big blow over the China. Other than technology based attack, America can't take a step forward to fight China. I state this based on the export data from China. It supplies majority of the materials required for production in various industrial sector.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on August 16, 2020, 05:09:23 AM

There are too many countries including china they banned many websites and services such as telegram, twitter, facebook, youtube, etc... but since there services are used by millions of users, still people will find a way to bypass the suspension usually using some sort of vpn service.

But, when such applications are banned the company loses a mass revenue nonetheless as they cannot accept in-app payments from their users who are using proxy to bypass and use the applications.

Quote from: Granxis on August 16, 2020, 05:12:21 AM

The products of google company such as amazon, facebook, youtube are prohibited in China, Trump's being aggressive towards China does not change this, because China already has antipathy to American products, I am not talking about the Chinese people.
I think Trump is aggressive because the United States is buying too much from China.

Indeed and if I am not wrong they have banned google and have their own search engine something called as baidu if I am not wrong and there is nothing wrong for USA to ban Chinese products when the vice-versa is already true since years.

Countries are now getting smarter and realize that China slowly stopped importing anything while being the export giant and now right steps are being taken to bring stability because you cannot expect to ban USA products while trying to market them your own products.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on August 17, 2020, 10:05:29 AM

Buying what?well the whole world is buying so much thing from china but why only Trump is making this stand against the Chinese government?

Yeah china is also aggressive but they have the rights because they have already investment in every country and even the strongest country in the world has credit from them.

Almost all countries have a trade deficit with China, as well as America. But the origin of Trump's heated relationship with China is that Xi Jing ping has absolute power by becoming a lifelong leader which is a form of rejection of the democratic agreement made between Reagan and Deng Xiao Ping.

Trump is a nationalist who meets a nationalist Xi so that the relationship between the two countries is heating up, ranging from a trade war to a biotechnology war. Trump also uses political issues with China to increase his popularity in welcoming the 2020 elections.

Colonialism 5.0 Chinese style under the guise of investment is China's step to conquering all countries and so that all countries pay tribute to China.

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Quote from: InvoKing on August 10, 2020, 06:40:46 PM

This guy doesn't care about Russia interfering with election since it is endorsing his re election, he doesn't care about the other US based companies and social media spying on everyone and the risk of being leaked to China.

Of course not; nor do I think Trump really cares about the privacy effects of these two apps. There's probably a lot more going on behind the scenes as far as motivation goes that the public isn't aware of, and I don't take any statements by Trump at face value.

The US isn't at war with China, though the relations between the two countries are strained to say the least. My hope is that Trump won't get re-elected in November and that all the damage he's done can start to be undone by his replacement. I wouldn't put money on it, though, as I never underestimate the stupidity of the American voters.

Quote from: Kong Hey Pakboy on August 16, 2020, 06:23:16 AM

Trump is getting aggressive to China because they are being taken down by China in their economy that most of their products and manufacturers are now from China.

Nah, that's been the case for many years now. Trump might not like it, but he certainly hasn't done anything constructive in terms of bringing jobs back into the US which are currently being done in China and other countries. He's just a big bag of wind.

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I like this news, because I am against the existence of this application, and if those rumors about data collection by the application are still true, then I all the more support blocking the application not only in the USA, but also around the world

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Quote from: carlisle1 on August 17, 2020, 10:05:29 AM

Buying what?well the whole world is buying so much thing from china but why only Trump is making this stand against the Chinese government?

Yeah china is also aggressive but they have the rights because they have already investment in every country and even the strongest country in the world has credit from them.

It is not just Trump and the American government taking a stand against China, India already banned many applications last month and all of their popular applications had millions of users and a combination of billion user base and you are not able to use those even with the use of VPN. I had a TikTok account before the ban and i tried to use my account with a VPN but i was not able to use my account.

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Trump will never end this battle against China as long as he is the US president while the effect is already obvious towards their economy.

Accusing tiktok and wechat as a surveillance apparatus of china to the whole world.(this is what i have watched in news)

What about US having eye to the world?

Quote from: Granxis on August 16, 2020, 05:12:21 AM

The products of google company such as amazon, facebook, youtube are prohibited in China, Trump's being aggressive towards China does not change this, because China already has antipathy to American products, I am not talking about the Chinese people.
I think Trump is aggressive because the United States is buying too much from China.

Buying what?well the whole world is buying so much thing from china but why only Trump is making this stand against the Chinese government?

Yeah china is also aggressive but they have the rights because they have already investment in every country and even the strongest country in the world has credit from them.

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Quote from: Granxis on August 16, 2020, 05:12:21 AM

The products of google company such as amazon, facebook, youtube are prohibited in China, Trump's being aggressive towards China does not change this, because China already has antipathy to American products, I am not talking about the Chinese people.
I think Trump is aggressive because the United States is buying too much from China.

Trump is getting aggressive to China because they are being taken down by China in their economy that most of their products and manufacturers are now from China. Even their products are made in the US, but the materials that is being used are from China because it is cheap or affordable. It is why Trump's decided to ban TikTok and other Chinese products in their country because they assume it might be the way to beat Chinese economy.

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The products of google company such as amazon, facebook, youtube are prohibited in China, Trump's being aggressive towards China does not change this, because China already has antipathy to American products, I am not talking about the Chinese people.
I think Trump is aggressive because the United States is buying too much from China.

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There are too many countries including china they banned many websites and services such as telegram, twitter, facebook, youtube, etc... but since there services are used by millions of users, still people will find a way to bypass the suspension usually using some sort of vpn service. however, there are always some alternative services after banning these services people will join another alternative one easily.

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