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Topic: Done with the topic: [New format] Merit Abuser Gang [Now 18-1 cases] (Read 2324 times)

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Theymos should ban every last one of these fucktards.
There are some people who came up clean and some admitted their mistakes from the list in my OP (I replaced their red trust with a neutral trust) however, I believe - from the rest, most of them are guilty. I hope theymos has the best thing in his mind. This is not the only topic, there are a lot of other topics from other good members who actually care about the forum. The worse part is, still a lot of these abusers are unnoticed. Every day we are seeing new style of merit abusing and they are getting caught. I see more and more members are coming forward and busting these merit abusers. I feel happy for them and I wish them good luck.

From my part, I am done here. I feel I already made decent amount of enemies because of this topic. They just don't like it. I am hatting the arguments I am having with people back and forth. I am tired of explaining others that I am a decent person and like to be always clean to myself.


legendary
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Theymos should ban every last one of these fucktards.
legendary
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Ok, since you can’t find the error on your own screenshots, I’ll have to ease away the effort from you: check the “received in the last 120 days”. TXs between May 15th and May 10th are exact duplicates. See it now?

Bringing me into the discussion by being the most red marked in your post is, I can assure you, not going to help your case at all. I tend to be rather calm with situations, but this kind of gets on my nerves.

The now personal vendetta you have with other forum members should stay between you. If to defend your case you consider that dragging a third party by passer into the discussion is of any use, you’re wrong.
I actually glimpsed on previous days through parts of the accusations and replicas that you referenced. To be honest, I don’t really get my kicks from reading them and consider them childish as soon as the heat goes up, thus I stop reading them. The forum posts should be constructive and not a Peaky Blinders sidewalk fight.

Objectively, the problem is down to the following:
-   Account Farmers do exist.
-   Merit abusing does exists.
-   Both are difficult to prove, even if there are suspicious indicators.
-   Rule enforcement on account farming does exists (but I bet only 5% of the forum know which cases of alt accounts are valid and which prohibited).
-   No formal rules exist on Merit Abusing. Semi-formal steps may be taken in the shape of red tagging, but there is a contradiction between the (non) formal rules that don’t prohibit it explicitly, and the DTs which don’t have a clear guideline nor uniform criteria (I may be wrong here).
-   And then Merit has to be earned, being reporting suspicions cases one of the mechanisms, extending the initial course of action below DT level.

Formalizing rules and case set scenario guidelines, while difficult to elaborate, would help. Defending yourself by attacking others, and increasing font size doesn’t really.
There goes my lunch-break...


Yes I see the error now. Two screenshots joined in the wrong place.

- I disagree with users getting tagged unless it is blatant and deliberate.
- I am sorry that you feel dragged into it. It is not my intention. The only person I'm trying to get to change is mdayonliner. But he just doesn't seem to get it.

- users should be notified and not quietly tagged and talked about without their knowledge.
- a thread rather than tagging the user in feedback. A polite message rather than ridicule. (Unless you want ridicule and abuse to be the standard of the forum)

- if there are going to be rules about it then it should be clearly stated when you place merit & before you place merit. Not some vague rules that are not even in the FAQ. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/faq-everything-you-need-to-know-about-forum-activity-account-ranks-and-merit-2766177 Topic: FAQ: Everything you need to know about forum 'activity, account ranks and merit

- RULES should be stated here:

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Leave this guy alone mate enjoy your lunch.
Someone with little common sense will understand what is really going on here, I already stopped responding his stupidities. There are intelligent people all over the forum few stupids like these accusers are just trying to mess up to cover up their mistakes.
legendary
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There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain
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Ok, since you can’t find the error on your own screenshots, I’ll have to ease away the effort from you: check the “received in the last 120 days”. TXs between May 15th and May 10th are exact duplicates. See it now?

Bringing me into the discussion by being the most red marked in your post is, I can assure you, not going to help your case at all. I tend to be rather calm with situations, but this kind of gets on my nerves.

The now personal vendetta you have with other forum members should stay between you. If to defend your case you consider that dragging a third party by passer into the discussion is of any use, you’re wrong.
I actually glimpsed on previous days through parts of the accusations and replicas that you referenced. To be honest, I don’t really get my kicks from reading them and consider them childish as soon as the heat goes up, thus I stop reading them. The forum posts should be constructive and not a Peaky Blinders sidewalk fight.

Objectively, the problem is down to the following:
-   Account Farmers do exist.
-   Merit abusing does exists.
-   Both are difficult to prove, even if there are suspicious indicators.
-   Rule enforcement on account farming does exists (but I bet only 5% of the forum know which cases of alt accounts are valid and which prohibited).
-   No formal rules exist on Merit Abusing. Semi-formal steps may be taken in the shape of red tagging, but there is a contradiction between the (non) formal rules that don’t prohibit it explicitly, and the DTs which don’t have a clear guideline nor uniform criteria (I may be wrong here).
-   And then Merit has to be earned, being reporting suspicions cases one of the mechanisms, extending the initial course of action below DT level.

Formalizing rules and case set scenario guidelines, while difficult to elaborate, would help. Defending yourself by attacking others, and increasing font size doesn’t really.
There goes my lunch-break...
legendary
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Case#19
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The red is where merit was given and received from the same users or KNOWN alts / family.
<...>

You seem to be a real ignoramus when it comes to acting as Sherlock.
So me giving 3 sMerit to a guy and receiving 1 from the same guy constitutes proof of Alt Account or family? Great, I won’t have to search for lost relatives since you’ll track them down for me.

Bloody hell, you could pass for the forum’s Torquemada and burn on the stakes most of the users, since many have at least sent and received from the same person a few measly merits to overtime.
Me and Tman, Me and Jet Cash, Me and Theymos, and a long list of other members  are all relatives or alts according to your basic criteria.

You’ve even got the proof images wrong, with repeated data on them. Just goes to show.

You should man-up, open a your own personal new thread, and report every user that has sent and received a single sMerit, since that is your primitive criteria with no second thoughts on how to detect feasible cases.

You are a flagrant case of a merit witch hunter for merits, which is fine by me, but as long as you get solid proof.

Seeing this, I propose to stop meriting witch hunts altogether…


The images are direct screenshots. No duplication.

Just re- read it:

where merit was given and received from the same users or KNOWN

I have no intention of being a merit hunter.

It was not me who started this. I do have my own thread. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38046717

I was accused (scroll up case 17).  I explained. I was ridiculed and given an ultimatum.
See? Wake up call! You woke up after my red trust.[/b] I guess you are so busy with self gain that since last Jan 24th to recently you had no clue?(!) I already laid out your excuses: [Parody] Merit translation. Your excuses are nothing new to me. Demn.... Just look at the merit history!

Then a thread dedicated to accusing me was made here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.37915893
This is an illustration of how rediculous the whole thing is. That is my exact point. There are innocent explainations for people meriting each others posts.
You should be allowed to merit someone without fear of persecution if you think they deserve it.  Regardless of how it may look. regarteless of how someone else thinks whether it is meritable or not. (Unless it is just plain spam)

You understand my point ! It is rediculous. This thread is a witch hunt. An this  red trust removal topic  is beyond rediculous.
legendary
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Case#19
<...>
The red is where merit was given and received from the same users or KNOWN alts / family.
<...>

You seem to be a real ignoramus when it comes to acting as Sherlock.
So me giving 3 sMerit to a guy and receiving 1 from the same guy constitutes proof of Alt Account or family? Great, I won’t have to search for lost relatives since you’ll track them down for me.

Bloody hell, you could pass for the forum’s Torquemada and burn on the stakes most of the users, since many have at least sent and received from the same person a few measly merits to overtime.
Me and Tman, Me and Jet Cash, Me and Theymos, and a long list of other members  are all relatives or alts according to your basic criteria.

You’ve even got the proof images wrong, with repeated data on them. Just goes to show.

You should man-up, open a your own personal new thread, and report every user that has sent and received a single sMerit, since that is your primitive criteria with no second thoughts on how to detect feasible cases.

You are a flagrant case of a merit witch hunter for merits, which is fine by me, but as long as you get solid proof.

Seeing this, I propose to stop meriting witch hunts altogether…
legendary
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There is nothing in the rules that says that your smerit decisions will be scrutinised by a blackmailing  ultimatum giving - spam clown with some warped interpretation of the rules.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliner-4019640  Scam Accusations >  - mdayonliner
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Just breath... Calm down mate. Here is an archive of your post. You already massed up my topic with all these quotes and images.

It would have been nice to know when someone tries to dob me in - for something that has a simple explaination. A message would have been a minimum courtesy.

I wish I could but there are so many cases I am investigating that I have actually no time to PM individuals asking for explanations. That's why I always leave the RedTrust removal link on the tag I give.

I didn't even know what "smerit " was until recently. Lafu helps out a lot of people on the forum. It said that smerits could expire in the future so I gave it to him. I didn't even know that he had given me merit until recently when I found out that merit existed. I don't even see what the big deal is. I couldn't care less about merit I receive.
See? Wake up call! You woke up after my red trust. I guess you are so busy with self gain that since last Jan 24th to recently you had no clue?(!) I already laid out your excuses: [Parody] Merit translation. Your excuses are nothing new to me. Demn.... Just look at the merit history!


Mate, you and your friend Lafu are not just abusing the merit system, you are insulting the whole community. You guys don't give a shit about the forum value.


Would you care to highlight your picks from the link you provided? Please do it.

10 for providing customer service https://prnt.sc/jjwniy
2 for providing another customer service https://prnt.sc/jjwnyx
7 for this https://prnt.sc/jjwo8a (?) Seriously?!!

This forum is not Cryptopia's customer service portal FYI.



It is likely that oneliner has some hidden agenda against me - perhaps even a sockpuppet or rent-a-troll of someone I have busted for running scams on bitcointalk or elsewhere.
Sorry mate I don't even know you, my world does not circle around you at all LOL

Oh well - you got my attention - briefly - and now ignored, tagged and message blocked.
I don't negotiate with scammers and blackmailers and wear their reds with pride.

- Seriously(!) Be my guest my friend. I will give you 24 hours of time to admit your mistake on my red trust removal topic or I will bring this issue in public and will take feedback from the community. You think I care about your red turst? The reason I will bring the issue in public to prove that I my ground is right and yours is wrong.

Lafu gives almost daily advise on bitcointalk  - I think I'm allowed to give merits for that. It even said not to keep them because they might expire.

Clearly not an alt since Lafu doesn't even live on the same continent as me.
- Merit is not here to reward just because someone's advice is helpful for you.
I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.


The "contact me " and second chance T&C's looks like basic blackmail by a user that has no offical role on bitcointalk. I've tagged accordingly.
- I have no interest whatsoever to blackmail anyone. You are living in your self created wrong concept.



mdayonliner is endorsing giving merit away as "prizes" in a signature campaign...





LOL you are living in a world where you do not have even a single clue that you are talking about.
Seriously mate, Did you even click the link (Joe's Signatureless Challenge: Win $25 + 4 Merits every week!)? Did you see the topic owner is me? LAMO.

Please please do little homework before proving someone wrong for something. Please.

...and his signature is "for rent". How hypocritical is that ?
Is there anything wrong? Come on!!!



Anyway 24 hours (click for countdown) to admit your mistake or I will ask feedback from the community since I need to prove my ground is right to the community.
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Case#19

mdayonliner is endorsing giving merit away as "prizes" in a signature campaign and his signature is "for rent". Win $25 + 4 Merits every week!






Here there is evidence that there is "merit abuse" by his alt account or "brother"




Edited https://i.imgur.com/Jnge3sr.png / replaced previous image with error



Most merit obtained from posting in threads with "merit" as the subject. (I probably even missed a few)

It is clear to me and others that "merit" is extremely important to you and that it is the motivation for some of your conduct.

It shows motive

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38101744

The red is where merit was given and received from the same users or KNOWN alts / family.

Why do I care ? - normally I wouldn't.

But I am holding you to the standard that you are applying to others.

Do I think you exchanged merit  ? - yes I do. Not just with your brother. Just check the matching dates.

Do I think you are merit farming with targetted posts  ? - yes I do.

I've given you the same replies you give others. HERE

It made you really angry and you haven't answered the accusations.

Why am I doing this ? To point out the hypocracy of your actions.
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Nice job to catch all these merit abusers. I'd like to see guilty ones tagged and "their lives ruined" (local meme  Grin) So many cases of merits traders tags and yet they still shamelessly send 20-50 merits to alt accounts or buyer. God knows how many of those abusers are waiting for a right time to exchange merits when nobody looking.

Appreciate the feedback. I will be adding more soon.
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Nice job to catch all these merit abusers. I'd like to see guilty ones tagged and "their lives ruined" (local meme  Grin) So many cases of merits traders tags and yet they still shamelessly send 20-50 merits to alt accounts or buyer. God knows how many of those abusers are waiting for a right time to exchange merits when nobody looking.
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Case#18

dance2009, winterrose, Big Game and valtin

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Case#17

xtraelv and Lafu

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Case#16
musdafakfl, macit800, BitcoinTurk, rasputincoin, onurgozupek, mhanbostanci, saulzaents, ozma03 , mstfprcn, Kalemder, krhnrhn, HakanYAZICI and srmecdes

   
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   macit800
Kalemder
BitcoinTurk

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30279887 BitcoinTurk receive   macit800 (10), Kalemder (5)
gives: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=511692 gives 7 to Kalemder 3 to macit800

It seems to be an exchange of merits. Could you investigate? Because I could not tell if they are legitimate or if it is really an exchange of merits between them.
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I would add Zoom2k too with the network.

Case#15
Zoom2k, opium, Kuala Lumpur

   
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Kindly check this account.
opium, Kuala Lumpur

Clue : 30 merit in total.

this is the list posts from Kuala Lumpur merited by opium
15 merit : January 25, 2018, 03:12:44 PM
11 merit : January 26, 2018, 03:13:10 PM
3 merit   : February 06, 2018, 01:30:18 PM
1 merit   : February 12, 2018, 06:38:10 AM

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Need a nice avatar, can someone help :-)
Case#14

martina14, anjho.ace, gunhell16 , cherryganda , kram31 , lovesybitz ,
rockyfeller , shandiem14 , benalexis12 , Viscera , vincentong17 , jpoker272727 , hackzang12 , Bobby park , ivanst776

 
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Thanks to the OP for helping eliminate those abusers here in the forum they obviously farming merit as what I have viewed in OP's report.
Appreciate your kind word BTCeminjas

This case is an example of what you said. I struggled a lot because of a language I do not understand. In case#13 I might find more users connected if I would understand the language.
PS: The analysts was done yesterday (15th April)



Case#13
laogeyi123, NeverArgueWithWF, urz42409966, huweiooo, shixd8899

Added on 16thApril: bluesky338


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Nowadays merit abusers are got smarter, mostly they do abuse their merit in local boards section because they know that it's hard to spot to the DT members and moderators their illegal activity here in the forum.
Thanks to the OP for helping eliminate those abusers here in the forum they obviously farming merit as what I have viewed in OP's report.

Keep up the good work. Grin
They are tagging already.
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I moved a part of the original post (below contents)for better formatting of the original post.

Case#1
Joe-Niner, BarkingHawk and SparkyU should really have an explanation!!!  Shocked

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Case#12
mankeen, CryptoNine, Mr.Coinzer, SaaM78


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Hi , I have a good catch here
This guy send merit to his alt
Suspects:


1-   Mankeen

Used this wallet

0xBB9cd47E267f7Bf7AB6da394Ff0CaA8EaE810BFc

In this post

 
https://i.imgur.com/GBgNzeV.png

And this wallet :
 
بالضبط ما هو استخدام بلوكشين للمشروع، وما هو الحل هو أنه يجلب أو ما هي المشكلة هو تحديد، ما هي قيمة أنها جلب إلى كريبتو.

Translation:

قبل 9 سنوات، بيتكوين بدأت على فكرة مماثلة لجعل المعاملات أكثر كفاءة والباقي هو التاريخ. ولكن توكن بيتكوين  يختلف في حقيقة أنه في حين أنه يهدف إلى جعل المعاملات أكثر كفاءة، بل هو أيضا عملة مجتمعية.
Translation
Quote
9 years ago, Bitcoin started a similar idea to make transactions more efficient and the rest is history. But Bitcoin is different in the fact that while it aims to make transactions more efficient, it is also a community coin.

And Finally , Mr.Coinzer gives merit to Mankeen
I think the 3 accounts are for the same person

And here is the proof from Ether scan

Mankeen: 0xdda03a2E46FbB97303350455ac842C2C49306654

Mr.Coinzer: 0xBB9cd47E267f7Bf7AB6da394Ff0CaA8EaE810BFc
                 0xA681C50E167ae4546257B60B6e4e87abF318dA32

Etherscan Txn 1
Etherscan Txn 2
Etherscan Txn 3


3 transaction for Mankeen and Coinzer Wallets
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Mankeen- 0xdda03a2E46FbB97303350455ac842C2C49306654
Mr.Coinzer - 0xBB9cd47E267f7Bf7AB6da394Ff0CaA8EaE810BFc


And


Etherscan Txn 1
Etherscan Txn 2
Etherscan Txn 3

Quote
0xdda03a2E46FbB97303350455ac842C2C49306654
0xA681C50E167ae4546257B60B6e4e87abF318dA32


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Case#11
xbiv2, JNiks_ZLisa


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Case#10
trumpman, Flodner

Clue: 34 merit sent today 26th march 2018 at 11:48:36 AM  from trumpman to Flodner for this topic.


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1) The merits which got wasted in the whole process. Is there anything being done to compensate for those merit points ? I am sure that the admin must have thought about creating a system in accordance with the number of merits required to be in circulation. Did he consider these abuses cases while panning that ?

He's been increasing the number of Merits available through the sources.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

2) Why not have some restriction related to the maximum number of merits allowed per post ?

There is a restriction of a maximum 50 Merit that can be awarded by one account to another account per month.
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it is actions such that deprive newbies (who honestly make valid contributions) from gaining merits,the merit system should be improved upon to make it fairer especially to new comers

Yes, we are  missing an important point related to merit abuse. It is good that genuine members are giving their time to find out remembers abusing the merit system and then reporting it but what about:

1) The merits which got wasted in the whole process. Is there anything being done to compensate for those merit points ? I am sure that the admin must have thought about creating a system in accordance with the number of merits required to be in circulation. Did he consider these abuses cases while panning that ?

2) Why not have some restriction related to the maximum number of merits allowed per post ?
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If you clearly understood how merit works than you would not have made this thread, eventually account farmers/traders will run out of merit and it won't be possible to do.

I just hope that this merit thing is transferred over to the new fourm

If he can get any of them tagged red then there will be fewer spammers polluting the forum. That's got to make it worthwhile. Sure they'll run out of sMerit, but why not take the opportunity to get rid of a few of them?
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If you clearly understood how merit works than you would not have made this thread, eventually account farmers/traders will run out of merit and it won't be possible to do.

I just hope that this merit thing is transferred over to the new fourm
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Case#9
big.pharaoh, mohamed reda, LBX, hamade possible merit farmer.


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This piece of work left wondering how on earth the author managed to collect 50 Merit.

they add cloudflare to protect the fourm from Dos attake
your words is true but added the cloudeflare better than Fourm will Down


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Sent in the last 120 days

    February 07, 2018, 08:47:20 PM: 10 to LBX for Re: ما هي عملة Ebch ومنصة CoinPulse القادمة وهل ينصح الدخو
    February 07, 2018, 01:11:40 AM: 18 to LBX for رايكم في مستقبل عملة zcoin
    January 28, 2018, 03:15:45 PM: 1 to hugeblack for متطلبات جديدة لترقية العضوية

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    February 07, 2018, 01:13:15 AM: 20 from LBX for Re: يا اخواني ساعدوني
    February 07, 2018, 01:10:21 AM: 10 from LBX for Re: هل يجب اضافة كل توكين لمحفظة الاثيريوم
    February 07, 2018, 01:08:18 AM: 10 from LBX for Re: شروط الاستفادة من توكن WAVES ?
    February 07, 2018, 01:07:57 AM: 10 from LBX for Re: شروط الاستفادة من توكن WAVES ?
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Case#8
NetFreak199, visionary, chixka000, identifyuser, alexberezov, Rexxxem, jk9694, dumbtool45, number37, blo8i


Ref:
Account related:

chixka000: 0xAaEedA078AcF2e037FFf742c564dc11eBa815b7f
identifyuser: 0x8Ede1DbeeCde0AE2859f9735cA0470c8210c0e0C
NetFreak199: 0x822d9cd5b86391cdb5e4743089b8cc9f964195bf
alexberezov: 0x55515EDbe90d7d8f29De195E13D02bB43f9Ee8f0


The above connection bought these whole lot...

visionary: https://prnt.sc/iw24yx
NetFreak199: https://prnt.sc/iw25d4
blo8i: https://prnt.sc/iw25nt
Rexxxem: https://prnt.sc/iw269y
jk9694: https://prnt.sc/iw26tn
dumbtool45: https://prnt.sc/iw275a
number37: https://prnt.sc/iw27fu
chixka000: https://prnt.sc/iw29u8
identifyuser: https://prnt.sc/iw2a4m
alexberezov: https://prnt.sc/iw2ad9

Tagged all of them to keep log.

By the nice work and deserved one merit from me.

Clearly these users are exchanging merits to each others: NetFreak199, visionary, chixka000, identifyuser, alexberezov, Rexxxem, jk9694, dumbtool45, number37, blo8i
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Case#7
StallionMosquito - Sr. Member, zohaibh - Full Member, imrobo2 - Full Member
network with => gmughals - Member, ateebshaikh290 - Member, cheechu - Member.

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Hey mdayonliner. I think you'll be very interested in this one Smiley). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=878336

I don't have enough proof to conclude that they're alt accounts but I think this is very weirdo when this Sr. Member send so many Merit points to other account with lower rank in just a short time.

If they're not alts then it has been bought which is equally untrustworthy behaviour.
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Hey mdayonliner. I think you'll be very interested in this one Smiley). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=878336

I don't have enough proof to conclude that they're alt accounts but I think this is very weirdo when this Sr. Member send so many Merit points to other account with lower rank in just a short time.
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The system is indeed abused by a lot of users who are forming their own secret clans to help each other.

It is enough just to look at the list of posts being merited to think, very often.. "WTF? This silly post deserves a merit?"

I am sorry to repeat here a concept that I have also expressed somewhere else, but in my opinion the ONLY solution to make sure that the quality of the posts is increased without giving all the power to do that to the members (who, as documented here are forming their own clans to help each other out) is a STRONGER, TOUGHER moderation.

A stronger moderation policy cannot be easily cheated.

All that is needed is something like "you post crap. I delete your post and give you a warning for doing it. After x warnings for the same reason (let's pretend it's maximum 4 warnings for posting crap) I ban your account PERMANENTLY".

As simple as that.

That would work much better as a deterrent than this absurd merit system whose power is left entirely in the hands of the members to happily abuse with and also it would not penalize newbies.

Just my two cents.

It is certainly a good idea but is it practical to implement ? I mean we already see the staff being busy handling those " Report to moderator" submissions and various other forum activities. Most of these are doing these voluntarily without getting any monetary compensation. It would be wrong to expect from them to work full time on this as they might be having jobs/businesses tp arrange their living expenses. Members do try to help sometimes by reporting cases but we need regular moderation.
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Case#6

Naitik and jerry29@
Screenshot for the record
Clearly Naitik and  jerry29@ are guilty for exchanging merit, possible Atls.

Courtesy to ngavanngo22, thank you.


Why someone from the forum harness these things. It makes the place so much discomfortable for the newbies and junior members.
If these are the clear evidence then who is now going to stop this.
This is very unfair for everyone. For those who make quality post don't get any merit and some spammers got 100 of merits.
Really unfair? I think I got something really great from your Merit history. LOL. You're abusing merit system like all other cheaters in this forum. Thank to give me a chance to catch you Wink. GOTCHA Jerry, I'm Tom Smiley
Account related:

Naitik
jerry29@

Abusing Merit system


Proof:

Naitik Merit summary
jerry29@ Merit summary
What a smart way to choose Facebook account link Smiley



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Why someone from the forum harness these things. It makes the place so much discomfortable for the newbies and junior members.
If these are the clear evidence then who is now going to stop this.
This is very unfair for everyone. For those who make quality post don't get any merit and some spammers got 100 of merits.
Really unfair? I think I got something really great from your Merit history. LOL. You're abusing merit system like all other cheaters in this forum. Thank to give me a chance to catch you Wink. GOTCHA Jerry, I'm Tom Smiley
Account related:

Naitik
jerry29@

Abusing Merit system


Proof:

Naitik Merit summary
jerry29@ Merit summary
What a smart way to choose Facebook account link Smiley


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Why someone from the forum harness these things. It makes the place so much discomfortable for the newbies and junior members.
If these are the clear evidence then who is now going to stop this.
This is very unfair for everyone. For those who make quality post don't get any merit and some spammers got 100 of merits.
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Yes, it is happening for sure and the admins are also taking strong action such members. Op did a great job by starting this thread and members reporting such cases must be encouraged. They are spending their precious time in finding the members abusing the merit system. Also, if we some sort of mechanism to automatically detect these abuses cases, it will also save time of all the members. For instance, notification being sent to a staff if more than 20 merits are sent for a one liner or content length less than certain number of words.
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a stupid little forum point system like merits is nothing in comparison

Of course merit matters and is a big deal. you are calling something as generous as merit system stupid. if you knew the alternative.

the ranks don't matter, the badges or any other nonsense doesn't matter.

Still you have got money from something you'd call nonsense. if they were really nonsense, you wouldn't be here. points, badges, ranks they all matter. you are ungrateful.

 We're here to communicate with each other about crypto and for better or worse this is the biggest and best place to get information about it.  That's all the matters in the end.

Selling merits would make it difficult for everybody to communicate and exchange the information that matters.


OP, that link in your signature 627% ROI, is telling me something else about you. if you are busting farmers, traders of merits, you are advertising a Ponzi in your signature. facking lol.


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Case#5

Rumhurius and striker7334 2.0


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Good job. Now it is the time for the moderators who want the proof of merit trading what you will do now the moderators.
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Rules of this forum were given by Theymos and this forum also was created by him. If you think it's stupid, why you still there? Merit system won't help improving this forum Huh I don't know what's happening with your mind Smiley. It's preventing account farmer and shitposter in this forum. If you still complain about it, why don't you leave this forum? This isn't the only Bitcoin forum or you still want to stay here cause it's the only forum that you can earn money with? LOL. Stop explaining Wink
didn't satoshi create this forum...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/welcome-to-the-new-bitcoin-forum-5

Why would I or anyone for that matter leave this forum just because we don't like one part of it or some of the people here, that doesn't make any sense.  No place is perfect, mr passive aggressive.  If we've been here years through all the spammers and scammers a stupid little forum point system like merits is nothing in comparison.  The points don't matter, the ranks don't matter, the badges or any other nonsense doesn't matter.  We're here to communicate with each other about crypto and for better or worse this is the biggest and best place to get information about it.  That's all the matters in the end.

Anyways, I'm done.  This whole thing is spiralling into off topic land.
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Your explaination is useless Smiley. I don't get anything from it except you're a merit seller or alt of BarkingHawk. Don't think that mdayonliner is wasting his time Smiley. He's trying to improve this forum by detecting cheater and abuser whom are trying to take advantage of this forum to earn money to avoid this forum gonna be ruined, of course this is the thing Moderators and admin need cause they have so many things to do in this forum so they can't handle everthing at the same time. Don't worry, no need to explain anymore, you'll get what you deserve Smiley
"get what i deserve"?  What is wrong with you people?  You have some serious problems.  You act like because I didn't follow some stupid little new rule they just made up that I wasn't even aware of that it's the same like I ran over a bunch of kids with my car or something.  Oh that Sparky guy he is so evil.  lol, wow.

I'll make it simple, anyone negs me for this silly little episode and I'll neg you right back.  This whole thing is ridiculous and shouldnt've even gone this far.

You want to actually improve the forum?  Merit system won't do it.  Get the mods to ban and remove more posts like they do everywhere else, take reddit for exmaple.  Get more mods if there aren't enough, crypto made everyone rich and they can afford it.  This forum has the lowest moderation and highest spam of any I've ever been on, so many genuinely useless spammers get away with so much here that they wouldn't anywhere else.  That's how you solve it.  Playing small town merit police isn't the answer.
Rules of this forum were given by Theymos and this forum also was created by him. If you think it's stupid, why you still there? Merit system won't help improving this forum Huh I don't know what's happening with your mind Smiley. It's preventing account farmer and shitposter in this forum. If you still complain about it, why don't you leave this forum? This isn't the only Bitcoin forum or you still want to stay here cause it's the only forum that you can earn money with? LOL. Stop explaining Wink
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Your explaination is useless Smiley. I don't get anything from it except you're a merit seller or alt of BarkingHawk. Don't think that mdayonliner is wasting his time Smiley. He's trying to improve this forum by detecting cheater and abuser whom are trying to take advantage of this forum to earn money to avoid this forum gonna be ruined, of course this is the thing Moderators and admin need cause they have so many things to do in this forum so they can't handle everthing at the same time. Don't worry, no need to explain anymore, you'll get what you deserve Smiley
"get what i deserve"?  What is wrong with you people?  You have some serious problems.  You act like because I didn't follow some stupid little new rule they just made up that I wasn't even aware of that it's the same like I ran over a bunch of kids with my car or something.  Oh that Sparky guy he is so evil.  lol, wow.

I'll make it simple, anyone negs me for this silly little episode and I'll neg you right back.  This whole thing is ridiculous and shouldnt've even gone this far.

You want to actually improve the forum?  Merit system won't do it.  Get the mods to ban and remove more posts like they do everywhere else, take reddit for exmaple.  Get more mods if there aren't enough, crypto made everyone rich and they can afford it.  This forum has the lowest moderation and highest spam of any I've ever been on, so many genuinely useless spammers get away with so much here that they wouldn't anywhere else.  That's how you solve it.  Playing small town merit police isn't the answer.
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Sigh.  You just don't get it, it's not some trickery.  I tried to explain my situation first and the PM was all about giving you a chance, one that you didn't even bother to give me before negging me.  Enjoy yours then if you can't be anything but rude, I never called you insulting names. You seem to lack basic comprehension of what I'm saying and compassion.

Again, you're judging me thinking you're somehow better because some of my posts don't meat your arbitrary high standards.  Then all almost 900 of my posts must be worthless right? Get off your high horse, what a joke.  Thinking I have to somehow prove myself to, you don't mean anything.  There are almost an endless string of actual spammers and crooked people on this forum and you're choosing to give me a hard time.  You're going to have a very difficult time here if this is how you choose to interact with people.

Enjoy your neg, I'm done talking to you.  If you have a problem with any of my actions report me to the moderators or staff next time as they're the ones who actually make the real decisions around here and not people like you trying to play their role.....poorly.
What are you trying to explain for? As I can see, you're not a DT member so your negative feedback will not affect to him. Beside When I looked at your Merit summary, I can ensure that you're alt account of BarkingHawk or you sold your Merit for him Smiley. 75 Merit points for 2 old trash replies posted when Merit system even wasn't created yet? No need to explain about your Merit summary anymore cause everybody will know about it when they take a look at your Merit history.
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Sigh.  You just don't get it, it's not some trickery.  I tried to explain my situation first and the PM was all about giving you a chance, one that you didn't even bother to give me before negging me.  Enjoy yours then if you can't be anything but rude, I never called you insulting names. You seem to lack basic comprehension of what I'm saying and compassion.

Again, you're judging me thinking you're somehow better because some of my posts don't meat your arbitrary high standards.  Then all almost 900 of my posts must be worthless right? Get off your high horse, what a joke.  Thinking I have to somehow prove myself to, you don't mean anything.  There are almost an endless string of actual spammers and crooked people on this forum and you're choosing to give me a hard time.  You're going to have a very difficult time here if this is how you choose to interact with people.

Enjoy your neg, I'm done talking to you.  If you have a problem with any of my actions report me to the moderators or staff next time as they're the ones who actually make the real decisions around here and not people like you trying to play their role.....poorly.

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Lastly I'll say on the merit system in general, it's a poor format.  If moderation was what it is like on many other forums there wouldn't be a need for it at all.  There are so many things that happen here that generally don't at many other places.  I'm not sure why that is exactly, but it happens regardless.  Spammers are allowed to have free reign with little consquences, at other places they are banned very swiftly.  Places that deal with even more web traffic.  Moderation here needs to be way more harsh.  Crypto has exploded, surely it can't be because of understaffing.   Spend some money or something and hire more mods if that's the issue.  Spammers will get tired of making accounts if you're quick to get rid of them but I've seen almost nothing done in some many cases so they just do whatever they want.

What are you trying to explain for? As I can see, you're not a DT member so your negative feedback will not affect to him. Beside When I looked at your Merit summary, I can ensure that you're alt account of BarkingHawk or you sold your Merit for him Smiley. 75 Merit points for 2 old trash replies posted when Merit system even wasn't created yet? No need to explain about your Merit summary anymore cause everybody will know about it when they take a look at your Merit history.
I already explained all this in my other posts in this thread, you didn't read them.
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The system is indeed abused by a lot of users who are forming their own secret clans to help each other.

It is enough just to look at the list of posts being merited to think, very often.. "WTF? This silly post deserves a merit?"

I am sorry to repeat here a concept that I have also expressed somewhere else, but in my opinion the ONLY solution to make sure that the quality of the posts is increased without giving all the power to do that to the members (who, as documented here are forming their own clans to help each other out) is a STRONGER, TOUGHER moderation.

A stronger moderation policy cannot be easily cheated.

All that is needed is something like "you post crap. I delete your post and give you a warning for doing it. After x warnings for the same reason (let's pretend it's maximum 4 warnings for posting crap) I ban your account PERMANENTLY".

As simple as that.

That would work much better as a deterrent than this absurd merit system whose power is left entirely in the hands of the members to happily abuse with and also it would not penalize newbies.

Just my two cents.
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Listen up good mdayonliner.

First of all, you are not the staff, you are not Satoshi or anyone who started this forum.  You're just some guy wasting time on a power trip obsessing about some trivial new rules that joined the forum a few months ago.  I've been here for years involved in crypto, you are in no place to judge me or my intentions.  You really should be focusing on something more important than this with your life.  I don't really have to explain myself to you, but I will anyways to induldge anyone that is listening and might think this is something important, which it's not.

Again, I didn't even want these merits to begin with.  If they never existed and the forum never gave them to me that would've been just fine, I couldn't care less.  Because of this whole thing they're way more trouble that they're worth with everyone bitching and moaning.  "here have some free stuff but you can only use it in a certain way or you're in trouble!"  What joke, you can keep it then.  It was just something free that fell out of the sky like an airdrop that I got rid of, I don't want them and have none left now.  Even if I didn't have a high rank I would still be here discussing crypto and I would be involved in crypto.  This forum is here to discuss ideas and communicate with each other.  All the ranks and merits and blah blah is a bunch of superfluous nonsense, you're getting way too caught up on that.  You don't have these kinds of ranking systems on other communication platforms like telegram for example because they don't matter, the words and messages matter.

Yeah I noticed people using merits, but again I don't care so I didn't pay all that much attention.  I still didn't look into the rules deeply after that because it was a waste of my time.  It's some meaningless self validation junk such as likes on facebook or thumbs up on reddit, who gives a shit.  I did multiple trades because that's how he wanted it done, again I didn't think about it too much.  That's all the explanation that is necessary, nit picking every minute detail is some ocd level of obsession.

I stand by what I said in that PM I sent you, negging me is completely uncalled for.  I don't have any more merit left and I won't be using it again if I do get some more.  From what I see the system is heavily flawed and not worth participating in if it results in things like this that are wasting even more of my time.
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My response is...
1. I didn't know anything I was doing was against any rules, I thought your merits were your own and you could do whatever you wanted with them.  If that isn't the case then I have to plead ignorance and I sincerely wasn't aware of it.  I guess I have to look over the merit rules more in depth since everyone seems to be throwing a hissy fit.  I had other concerns at the time when merits were introduced and didn't really read much up on it.

2. I was contacted asking if someone could trade for my merits.  I said sure, why not.  Again I didn't have much interest in them so I got rid of them as my understanding was you're going to lose them at some point anyways.  Use them or lose them.  I've been on other forums with similar point systems where you could trade them without issue.

People are acting like it's some malicious plot, lol.  It's not that serious to me, I didn't honestly give it another thought until one of those guys sent me a message there was a thread about it.  Also OP should've messaged me too if it was such an issue.

Like you mentioned The Pharmacist, there are a lot more serious things going on in the forum that people should be fighting against first.


Thank you for your response...

Ok I believed your story of ignorance and unawareness on the first one. Let me highlight something that you said...

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2. I was contacted asking if someone could trade for my merits.  I said sure, why not.
And this person clearly is BarkingHawk. The BarkingHawk has proven guilty PERIOD


Merit bought on the table on January 25, 2018 and the first time one was really from your ignorance since your sent it on January 26, 2018, 05:51:53 AM.

It clearly proves that it was from ignorance and unawareness. I'm ok with this because this is an innocent mistake.


Question is now...
 Since then to before sending the 2nd time (50 merits) on March 04, 2018, 01:31:31 AM, do you really want me to believe your story?

From January 26, 2018, 11:57:18 AM to before sending the 50 merits ( March 04, 2018, 01:31:31 AM ),
you made 102 - 32 = 70 (!) posts and exactly 36 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes and 38 seconds gone and you are saying you did not have much interest in them and your understanding was you're going to lose them at some point so you decided to trade them?

Being actively posting on the forum almost everyday you never came across with all these merit/smerit debates, conversations? Your ground is too weak to believe.

Truth is you saw money on the merits so you held them and may be still holding them hoping to trade these with some money. I think I still have my ground to keep the red trust.  

You are welcome to bring your facts to get rid of the red trust.

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OP should've messaged me too if it was such an issue
- Just imaging if I have to message all these users personally asking the causes then I would not be able to do others stuffs. Take it easy.

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Like you mentioned The Pharmacist, there are a lot more serious things going on in the forum that people should be fighting against first.
- I'm sure The Pharmacist did not mean to ignore merit abusing.
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Yes it seems to be unfair right now we are trying so hard to get merit points. If everyone is thinking about themselves then it will probably be wrekage to the forum rules. I think that forum should have to give equal chances to everyone. Why higher ranked members got the right of merit points to be distributed. Everyoneone may not be corrupted but some of them making the water of pool dirty. And new members are suffering of this.
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Case#1
Joe-Niner, BarkingHawk and SparkyU should really have an explanation!!!  Shocked
I tagged the first two of those idiots, who are quite obviously engaged in merit abuse.  Both of them have only written one-line shitposts exclusively, which indicates to me that they're on bitcointalk for the money, and not for the community, knowledge dissemination, discussion, or any other good reason.

The third one, SparkyU, I'm not so sure about--and my feedback doesn't carry weight anyway.

OP, I do appreciate you taking the time to point out merit abusers, and yeah I think everyone is aware at this point that there's gaming of the system going on.  That was to be expected on a forum where scamming isn't banned, trust abuse is rampant, people think it's just peachy that one individual can take 2 sides of a 3-sided escrow deal, and account sellers thrive.  But let's knock 'em down one by one.  Thanks for identifying these guys.
My response is...
1. I didn't know anything I was doing was against any rules, I thought your merits were your own and you could do whatever you wanted with them.  If that isn't the case then I have to plead ignorance and I sincerely wasn't aware of it.  I guess I have to look over the merit rules more in depth since everyone seems to be throwing a hissy fit.  I had other concerns at the time when merits were introduced and didn't really read much up on it.

2. I was contacted asking if someone could trade for my merits.  I said sure, why not.  Again I didn't have much interest in them so I got rid of them as my understanding was you're going to lose them at some point anyways.  Use them or lose them.  I've been on other forums with similar point systems where you could trade them without issue.

People are acting like it's some malicious plot, lol.  It's not that serious to me, I didn't honestly give it another thought until one of those guys sent me a message there was a thread about it.  Also OP should've messaged me too if it was such an issue, instead he decided to neg me without any communication.  What a real nice guy...

Like you mentioned The Pharmacist, there are a lot more serious things going on in the forum that people should be fighting against first.
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Case#4

Morphling and yillusion


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I also created a topic about Merit farmer and alt account in Reputation but seem like DT member don't even want to spend few minutes to take a look at Smiley.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/alt-accounts-merit-and-bounty-abuse-need-dt-member-3162720

Need someone to tag all these alt accounts Smiley
Not only DT members will read this post. This is the second thread about merit abusing cases which I found out, but I still did not understand one thing here: what is going to be with all of those users who's crime became proved?
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I also created a topic about Merit farmer and alt account in Reputation but seem like DT member don't even want to spend few minutes to take a look at Smiley.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/alt-accounts-merit-and-bounty-abuse-need-dt-member-3162720

Need someone to tag all these alt accounts Smiley
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Case#3

A. mrhelpful is confused?


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If I can do it by myself having the current rank I have then I can save a lot of works except waiting for someone else come to see the post and do the tagging job.

Everyone can leave trust feedback, just click on the trust link on their profile page. The difference is that it will not be visible by default. Someone has to go to Untrusted feedback and click 'show ratings' to see it if you are not on their trust network. The people on Default Trust's rating are seen by everyone unless they have been excluded from someone's trust network.

This thread explains it further: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/marketplace-trust-211858

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I would like to seek attention of Bardman, The Pharmacist and iqlimasyadiqa on how to tag someone? -since you guys are on the same page like me and have very high rank on the forum.

People who do farming are those who are not confident in ability and they think that it is the best way, but in reality not at all !!
This makes a lot of sense
and thank you TheQuin for the clue, I will try to find fishy facts if there is any.

PS: I found more users with suspicious merit exchanges on Case#2 and added them on the Update/Edit section

Update: Ok I see what The Pharmacist meant when he said
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I tagged the first two of those idiots, who are quite obviously engaged in merit abuse.
Sending neg trust with the ref seems a great way to tag abusers.

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Exchange of merit doesn't really prove anything, especially if the amount of merits is small. Theymos has stated in the past that this would constitute rounding error in the overall scheme of things. It would anyway cease once the smerit handed out to accounts during the roll out of the merit system dries up.
Over time, the cycle of merit exchanges from senders to receivers and back will come to the end because they will finally lose all of their sMerits. And after that point, if they can not contribute to the forum, they will hardly earn more merits. Therefore, they won't have more sMerits to exchange each other.
But still they have earned a merit point, even though it has lost all smerit but they have made something bad thing and made spam on many threads. Perhaps taking direct action by reporting the person can be an option, especially if we have evidence and it is strong enough to be able to say that the person is on the path of spammers and scammers. As time goes by, there must be improvements in various systems in this forum, Merit has made things a lot better. Now we must be able to maintain it and continue to try to update the system in order to improve things that already existed before.

People who do farming are those who are not confident in ability and they think that it is the best way, but in reality not at all !!
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There another thread about this already but the OP killyou* seems to have abandoned it and nobody from DT is tagging anyone. I've had more success creating an individual thread on Reputation board when I find a really bad one like https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/niknik1966-ranked-up-to-sr-member-via-merit-farming-3052556

If you're looking for clues Kousei23 is worth a look at.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32346378

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In reality it will just reinforce older privileges, lead to farming like that, and make bitcointalk less atractive for new users.

I added some edited section...
Exchange of merit doesn't really prove anything, especially if the amount of merits is small.
- Small means 1? 2? or? Accounts on original post are larger in numbers.


Over time, the cycle of merit exchanges from senders to receivers and back will come to the end because they will finally lose all of their sMerits. And after that point, if they can not contribute to the forum, they will hardly earn more merits. Therefore, they won't have more sMerits to exchange each other.
- It really is a poor hope where we can do something about it to fix the issue. Appreciate your feedback.

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I appreciate your efforts but there is a thread for this stuff: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.160 You can post it there with the same format or just link this thread there. However not much will happen, they are usually not tagged or anything but I will give you some merit for your effort.

When I was writing the original post I really looked for some topics which is already talking about the same. Then again I though I may not find the same format that I feel comfortable. So I decided to create a new post for it. Thanks for the credit for my effort.
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I tagged the first two of those idiots, who are quite obviously engaged in merit abuse.

- How do you do it? Can someone else like me can tag them as well?

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But let's knock 'em down one by one.  Thanks for identifying these guys.

Thank you and yes this is exactly what I am trying to achieve from this post.
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Joe-Niner, BarkingHawk and SparkyU should really have an explanation!!!  Shocked
I tagged the first two of those idiots, who are quite obviously engaged in merit abuse.  Both of them have only written one-line shitposts exclusively, which indicates to me that they're on bitcointalk for the money, and not for the community, knowledge dissemination, discussion, or any other good reason.

The third one, SparkyU, I'm not so sure about--and my feedback doesn't carry weight anyway.

OP, I do appreciate you taking the time to point out merit abusers, and yeah I think everyone is aware at this point that there's gaming of the system going on.  That was to be expected on a forum where scamming isn't banned, trust abuse is rampant, people think it's just peachy that one individual can take 2 sides of a 3-sided escrow deal, and account sellers thrive.  But let's knock 'em down one by one.  Thanks for identifying these guys.
hero member
Activity: 2366
Merit: 838
Exchange of merit doesn't really prove anything, especially if the amount of merits is small. Theymos has stated in the past that this would constitute rounding error in the overall scheme of things. It would anyway cease once the smerit handed out to accounts during the roll out of the merit system dries up.
Over time, the cycle of merit exchanges from senders to receivers and back will come to the end because they will finally lose all of their sMerits. And after that point, if they can not contribute to the forum, they will hardly earn more merits. Therefore, they won't have more sMerits to exchange each other.
hero member
Activity: 952
Merit: 516
I appreciate your efforts but there is a thread for this stuff: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.160 You can post it there with the same format or just link this thread there. However not much will happen, they are usually not tagged or anything but I will give you some merit for your effort.
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1064
Exchange of merit doesn't really prove anything, especially if the amount of merits is small. Theymos has stated in the past that this would constitute rounding error in the overall scheme of things. It would anyway cease once the smerit handed out to accounts during the roll out of the merit system dries up.
copper member
Activity: 630
Merit: 420
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Case#2

allowance1219, pigheadbig, gomei and choubao0514
with colacat1111, helloge, juicejoyce and doudou1110


allowance1219's merit summary
Received
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
Every system has a loophole. Really hard to get this merits as people sparsely send them to deserving posts. Most will just send it to someone they know as it is very limited.
member
Activity: 130
Merit: 10
Well, not surprising imo. All those systems are gonna be gamed.

Have to say I like the underlying idea, to increase quality content/reduce spam. But this behaviour you documented is exactly what I would expect as a result, and that is probably just the tip of the iceberg.

In reality it will just reinforce older privileges, lead to farming like that, and make bitcointalk less atractive for new users.
copper member
Activity: 630
Merit: 420
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Disclaimer
This is a private investigation and 100% biased free in my knowledge.
I would request DT members to red trust (if possible) the users listed in the cases.
If anyone in the list feels the justification is wrong then feel free to apply for red trust removal with your evidence.
This is a voluntary ongoing campaign to fight against the merit abusers, I would appreciate your positive feedback.


Case#18 Click to open
dance2009, winterrose, Big Game and valtin

Case#17 Click to open
xtraelv and Lafu

Case#16 Click to open
musdafakfl, macit800, BitcoinTurk, rasputincoin, onurgozupek, mhanbostanci, saulzaents, ozma03 , mstfprcn, Kalemder, krhnrhn, HakanYAZICI and srmecdes

Case#15 Click to open
Zoom2k, opium, Kuala Lumpur

Case#14 Click to open
Yet to be completed. Too big network of merit abuser.

Case#13 Click to open
laogeyi123, NeverArgueWithWF, urz42409966, huweiooo, shixd8899 | Added on 16thApril: bluesky338

Case#12 Click to open
mankeen, CryptoNine, Mr.Coinzer, SaaM78

Case#11 Click to open
xbiv2, JNiks_ZLisa

Case#10 Click to open
trumpman, Flodner

Case#9 Click to open
big.pharaoh, mohamed reda, LBX, hamade

Case#8 Click to open
NetFreak199, visionary, chixka000, identifyuser, alexberezov, Rexxxem, jk9694, dumbtool45, number37, blo8i

Case#7 Click to open
StallionMosquito - Sr. Member, zohaibh - Full Member, imrobo2 - Full Member
network with => gmughals - Member, ateebshaikh290 - Member, cheechu - Member

Case#6 Click to open
Naitik and jerry29@

Case#5 Click to open
Rumhurius and striker7334 2.0

Case#4 Click to open
Morphling and yillusion

Case#3 Click to open
A. mrhelpful is confused?
B. Kousei23's possible connection with plucking23, Bruce1614, loading..., alexsandria, Ashong Salonga
And relation between Bruce1614 and kirito1614

Case#2 Click to open
allowance1219, pigheadbig, gomei and choubao0514
with colacat1111, helloge, juicejoyce and doudou1110

Case#1 Click to open
Joe-Niner, BarkingHawk and SparkyU
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