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Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 13. (Read 734725 times)

legendary
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December 19, 2015, 02:19:16 AM
Banning a political party because you don't like their voice does not silence that voice and if a Communist Party 2.0 emerges that will have the be banned and so on. Apart from rounding people with opinions which the government disagrees with up and chasing them to Russia or otherwise silencing them I'm not sure what the long term future is with this.

This is not the first time that the Communist Party is getting banned in the former USSR. At least 7-8 of the former Soviet republics have attempted the same. For example, Moldova was one of the first FSU nations to ban the party. But it was legalized again in the late 1990s, and the party captured power a few years later, with Vladimir Voronin becoming the President.
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December 19, 2015, 02:14:51 AM
Ukraine bans Communist party for 'promoting separatism'

Human rights campaigners criticise court decision, saying it sets dangerous precedent to stifle opposition

The Communist party of Ukraine has been banned after a Kiev court upheld a government lawsuit accusing the party of promoting separatism and inter-ethnic conflict.

The decision, announced by Kiev’s district administration court on Wednesday, has been criticised by human rights campaigners who describe it as “a flagrant violation of freedom of expression and association”.

The move prevents the party from operating and participating in elections.

In May Ukraine adopted controversial “decommunisation” laws which outlawed the display of Soviet symbols and prohibited the use of the term “communist”.

The Communist Party of Ukraine refused to change its name, logo or its charter to comply with the legislation.

John Dalhuisen of Amnesty International said the court ban set a dangerous precedent. “The decision may be seen as dealing with the damaging vestiges of the Soviet past. In fact, it does exactly the opposite by following the same style of draconian measures used to stifle dissent,” he said.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/ukraine-bans-communist-party-separatism

Banning a political party because you don't like their voice does not silence that voice and if a Communist Party 2.0 emerges that will have the be banned and so on. Apart from rounding people with opinions which the government disagrees with up and chasing them to Russia or otherwise silencing them I'm not sure what the long term future is with this.
legendary
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December 19, 2015, 01:57:29 AM

Things are going back to the normal. A lot of people are returning to the cities of Lugansk and Donetsk. Only around half of the industries and coal mines are operating right now, but I hope that in the coming months, the industrial production will go back to the pre-conflict levels. Coal from the DPR / LPR is regularly being sent to the steel plants in Ukraine.
legendary
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legendary
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December 18, 2015, 05:26:01 PM
By the way, DPR interior ministry began issuing new registration cards and license plates since spring.









As far I know, DPR plates are recognized in Russia. Ukraine won't recognize them, most likely, but who cares about recognition by failed state? Cheesy
legendary
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December 18, 2015, 03:09:25 PM
Poroshenko met with General Strangelove, NATO Supreme Allied Nutball in Europe.

Poroshenko informed Strangelove of the security situation in Donbas, the military threat from Russia and provocative actions performed by Kremlin-backed militants. The officials discussed Ukraine-NATO cooperation in the defense area - in particular, reforming Ukraine’s security and defense sector according to NATO standards, extending programs of joint military drills, strengthening Ukraine’s defense capabilities and improving combat efficiency of Ukrainian servicemen. 

Strangelove praised the level of cooperation with Ukraine. He confirmed NATO’s readiness to provide assistance to Ukraine so that its Armed Forces meet the current national security challenges. He stressed on the importance of Russia’s full compliance with Minsk agreements.

In this regard, the following interview with the head of Donetsk People's Republic, Zaharchenko, is a good read. He touches upon several topic, both humanitarian and military. It's funny how the Western press always forgets how there are always to sides to a conflict and both should be given equal opportunity to speak...

http://www.aif.ru/politics/world/glava_dnr_aleksandr_zaharchenko_donbass_ne_ukraina_a_chast_russkogo_mira

He tells that on the stretches of the border, which are on the other side controlled by the Ukrainian armed forces are calm and the seize-fire is observed there, while the stretches controlled by the ukro-nazi battalions present constant provocations.

He tells that the whole of Donetsk oblast is part of DNR, simply some parts of it are temporarily occupied by Ukrainians

He tells about coal production. Under Ukraine this industry was presented as one losing money. But the money simply ended up with oligarchs like Poroshenko. Now, despite several mines having been damaged by Ukrainian artillery, coal industry of DNR is making money.

He tells about the difficult state of agriculture - 70% of fields are filled with land mines, lack of people and agricultural machinery.

He tells how DNR and Russia are tied economically, with rouble being the main currency in circulation.

And he tells about the reconstruction of the damaged residential buildings - with construction materials partially brought from Russia.
legendary
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December 18, 2015, 02:59:39 PM
Ukraine bans Communist party for 'promoting separatism'

Human rights campaigners criticise court decision, saying it sets dangerous precedent to stifle opposition

The Communist party of Ukraine has been banned after a Kiev court upheld a government lawsuit accusing the party of promoting separatism and inter-ethnic conflict.

The decision, announced by Kiev’s district administration court on Wednesday, has been criticised by human rights campaigners who describe it as “a flagrant violation of freedom of expression and association”.

The move prevents the party from operating and participating in elections.

In May Ukraine adopted controversial “decommunisation” laws which outlawed the display of Soviet symbols and prohibited the use of the term “communist”.

The Communist Party of Ukraine refused to change its name, logo or its charter to comply with the legislation.

John Dalhuisen of Amnesty International said the court ban set a dangerous precedent. “The decision may be seen as dealing with the damaging vestiges of the Soviet past. In fact, it does exactly the opposite by following the same style of draconian measures used to stifle dissent,” he said.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/ukraine-bans-communist-party-separatism


The irony - Ukraine as a state was created by the Communists after the 1917 coup d'etat...  Roll Eyes
And Ukraine should destroy all the legacy of the Communist era left in the country - industry, agriculture, energy production... Oh, wait, they are doing it already for the past year.
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December 18, 2015, 06:08:38 AM
Who cares. Lies don´t usually have much traction for long.

But this dude still post here the crap called "ATO" in topic about "ethnic cleansing" in ZOG Ukraina.


As a person far away from conflict zone of Russia and Ukraine, i hope that the war stops fast and peace come to your lands and you guys can live a normal life and have good education and take care of your family.
xht
sr. member
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hey you, yeah you, fuck you!!!
December 17, 2015, 10:18:24 PM
Ukraine bans Communist party for 'promoting separatism'

Human rights campaigners criticise court decision, saying it sets dangerous precedent to stifle opposition

The Communist party of Ukraine has been banned after a Kiev court upheld a government lawsuit accusing the party of promoting separatism and inter-ethnic conflict.

The decision, announced by Kiev’s district administration court on Wednesday, has been criticised by human rights campaigners who describe it as “a flagrant violation of freedom of expression and association”.

The move prevents the party from operating and participating in elections.

In May Ukraine adopted controversial “decommunisation” laws which outlawed the display of Soviet symbols and prohibited the use of the term “communist”.

The Communist Party of Ukraine refused to change its name, logo or its charter to comply with the legislation.

John Dalhuisen of Amnesty International said the court ban set a dangerous precedent. “The decision may be seen as dealing with the damaging vestiges of the Soviet past. In fact, it does exactly the opposite by following the same style of draconian measures used to stifle dissent,” he said.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/ukraine-bans-communist-party-separatism
hero member
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December 17, 2015, 04:52:23 PM
Poroshenko met with General Strangelove, NATO Supreme Allied Nutball in Europe.

Poroshenko informed Strangelove of the security situation in Donbas, the military threat from Russia and provocative actions performed by Kremlin-backed militants. The officials discussed Ukraine-NATO cooperation in the defense area - in particular, reforming Ukraine’s security and defense sector according to NATO standards, extending programs of joint military drills, strengthening Ukraine’s defense capabilities and improving combat efficiency of Ukrainian servicemen. 



Strangelove praised the level of cooperation with Ukraine. He confirmed NATO’s readiness to provide assistance to Ukraine so that its Armed Forces meet the current national security challenges. He stressed on the importance of Russia’s full compliance with Minsk agreements.
legendary
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December 17, 2015, 04:11:16 PM
Remember how USNATO's wet dream is to see Russian troops in Ukraine, a dream that still hasn't materialised?

They are still dreaming of it. It today's press conference Putin said:

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«Mы никoгдa нe гoвopим, чтo тaм (в Дoнбacce. — RT) нeт людeй, кoтopыe зaнимaютcя peшeниeм oпpeдeлённыx вoeнныx вoпpocoв. Ho этo нe знaчит, чтo тaм пpиcyтcтвyют peгyляpныe poccийcкиe вoйcкa. Пoчyвcтвyйтe paзницy»

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"We never say that there (in Donbass) are no people, who are tasked with resolution of certain military questions. But this does not mean that regular Russian armed forces are present there. Feel the difference."

Here is how USNATO translates this, voiced by Stoltenberg:

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«Пpeзидeнт Poccии ceгoдня caм пpизнaл, чтo нa вocтoкe Укpaины нaxoдитcя oпpeдeлённый пepcoнaл, кoтopый peшaeт в тoм чиcлe вoeнныe вoпpocы. Mы нaзывaeм тaкиx людeй вoeнными»

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"The President of Russia has himself admitted today, that there is certain personnel on the East of Ukraine, which, among other things, solves military questions. We call such people for military."

Well, according to Stoltenberg, the OCSE observers, who also solve certain military questions, are army.
http://russian.rt.com/article/137373



Humanitarian convoy from Russian Ministry of Disasters delivered good and New Year presents for children of Donbass.
hero member
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November 21, 2015, 07:21:57 PM

Very nice. I have two words for that two-second clip - incisive and concise.
hero member
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November 21, 2015, 10:17:24 AM
Well, stupidity is incurable but still some occasional signs of intelligence can be extracted out of idiots - I guess.

In the space of a year, Vladimir Putin has gone from being declared a pariah to being courted by Western powers.
sr. member
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November 19, 2015, 01:57:06 PM
Who cares. Lies don´t usually have much traction for long.

But this dude still post here the crap called "ATO" in topic about "ethnic cleansing" in ZOG Ukraina.
hero member
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November 19, 2015, 01:44:36 PM

In the future internet message boards will work perfectly. Everyone will be able to express themselves in their mother tongues if they wish and robots will automatically render flawless translations to the default language.

Who have intentions to spam off topic and flood, this will stop not.
Only "self moderated" topic will help, for who have time to edit shitposts.

Who cares. Lies don´t usually have much traction for long. There´s no special reason to ban them. It only gives them undeserved credibility. When the "truth" needs special protection, that´s when I get really suspicious.
sr. member
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November 19, 2015, 01:30:19 PM

In the future internet message boards will work perfectly. Everyone will be able to express themselves in their mother tongues if they wish and robots will automatically render flawless translations to the default language.

Who have intentions to spam off topic and flood, this will stop not.
Only "self moderated" topic will help, for who have time to edit shitposts.
hero member
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November 19, 2015, 01:16:23 PM
so what´s your point?

# "Pegas" post Off Topic.
# "Pegas" flood this topic.
# You appeal to "everyone flood and spam, why "Pegas" should spam not"

"Pegas", open a topic about ethnic cleaning called "ATO", and put Your spam  URL there.

In the future internet message boards will work perfectly. Everyone will be able to express themselves in their mother tongues if they wish and robots will automatically render flawless translations to the default language.
sr. member
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November 19, 2015, 12:16:10 PM
so what´s your point?

# "Pegas" post Off Topic.
# "Pegas" flood this topic.
# You appeal to "everyone flood and spam, why "Pegas" should spam not"

"Pegas", open a topic about ethnic cleaning called "ATO", and put Your spam  URL there.
hero member
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November 19, 2015, 09:18:01 AM

Spam on Facebook? You wouldn´t really associate the two, any more than shitflies and cow dung.

You spam here:
#1 - Off topic.
#2 - link on fake Facebook account
#3 - third site URL

I don´t recall ever posting any link to any Facebook account and thousands post off topic every day on these threads and there are countless third site URLs so what´s your point?
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