Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 167. (Read 734725 times)

The ends don't justify the means. The problem with such grand schemes such as Marxism is that people are expected to die or live terrible lives for the open-ended promise of some utopian future. Wasn't that Hegelian dialectic pseudo-intellectual fluff around since the early 1800s? What I would like to know is, how have the Russians adapted their politics to take into account 20th century advances in philosophy and sciences? Discussion of "Thesis, Antithesis, and Synthesis" sounds very Freudian when compared to Chaos theory, or the works of Einstein, Goedel, and Turing.


Sounds like you've been reading Zero Hedge. They're just a mix of satire, dis-info, and thinly disguised American frustration with the EU. Incidentally, they're also evidence that the EU states are not puppets of the US, or at least they're asserting their independence.

Could you explain how this non-existent futures wealth is meant to work? I'm always enthusiastic about getting more wealth from nothing.

Which Soviets?
Coincidentally, the Soviet satellite states were slowly going bankrupt. The People's Republic of Poland was probably in the worst state where underground political opposition, disguised as a "worker's union" gained 10 million members, and by 1981 the authorities instituted marshal law to show the Soviet Union that everything was safe and under control, and there was no need to send any helpful peacekeepers who were performing unrelated military exercises near the eastern borders.


Undoubtedly there would have plenty of coordination around 1989 to organise the relatively peaceful coups, but do you really think all those millions of people would have agreed and participated if they hadn't been desperate and starving after decades of Soviet rule? And do you really think the communist rulers would have stood by and allowed democratic opposition to take over, if they believed they could win? With all due respect, your claim of a 30-40 year continuation sounds like a fantasy. Maybe Moscow was doing OK, but that's because they were stealing.

Ukrainian MP has published a message to faggots (not mine word, but an exact quote from context)

http://www.ridus.ru/news/166999

I think that our faggots (Pagan & others) are capable to read this without translation.

So you tried to deceive. And the USA still occupies part of Europe, period (and one of the most developed at that). And I see once again that you are trying to switch the discussion from a topic you have been shown to lie about to quite a different theme...

Or maybe Putin wants to avoid the Yugoslavian scenario, where rather large Ukraine (check the map of Europe!) is split into many small insignificant states with different and sometimes unpredictable allegiances. He might want to avoid the divide and conquer scenario. This game is too big to comprehend from the personal here-and-now level.

In other news:
http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/

The reason for this is evident. Many believed and hoped that Putin actually had nothing to do with the events in Ukraine (and would stay aside further on). But now he confirms by his recent actions that he is somewhat pro-Kiev (just when the rebels have gathered momentum and began taking over)...

Germany doesn't count as they were one of the main aggressors in WW2. That was part of the price Germany paid for getting defeated. That still does not explain why the Soviets refused to retreat from several other countries that were not Russia, and why they forced ethnically non-Russian children to learn Russian at school. Even if it's not possible to force everyone to learn something, it took time away from learning more useful subjects.

Perhaps in a 1950s or 1960s context it would be understandable. European 'spoils' were divided between the major powers, and there might have been a legitimate struggle between Communist and Capitalist ideologies. But Western ideals of freer trade, democracy, and personal freedoms, were somehow more successful. As a competitive showcase, West Germany grew far richer than East Germany, and the whole of eastern Europe became poorer than the west. "Damage from WW2" was no longer a good excuse, and it appears that a significant amount of Soviet effort was wasted by stealing resources and keeping the people under control instead of building useful infrastructure.

What the Soviets didn't understand, and now the Russians don't seem to understand, is people's resentment from being oppressed. It doesn't matter that someone else also had troops occupying their country. The American system was plainly better than the Soviet one. Therefore, a) it was more acceptable. b) Western policies were not affected by the emotions of frustrated politicians.

TL;DR: yes the Americans also had troops in various places, but they also had a better system.

no, i'm in a warm and welcoming city of Zaporozhye, waiting for Khuilo's forces to pull off away from my house.
where are you at the moment, may i kindly ask? perhaps in some god forgotten village of Nechernozemye?

I see that the KGB has sent reinforcements.

You guys don't really want the Russian economy to improve, do you? It would make your jobs too expensive, and they would be forced to outsource to India.

It's excellent to see that at least several of Khuilo's slaves have kept an ability to self-criticism.

Looks like we have another candidate to be isolated with his lies, weapons and dirt here... Seeing as he even started his post with a defamatory stance. But karma is going to bite him (unless, of course, he is sitting in some warm NATO data center in Poland or Lithuania)

Khuilo's slaves are brainwashed, bribed and forced into complete lack of independent judgement. the US and western world has chosen the best path to take with them, they'd better be isolated from civilized people, all along with lies, weapons and dirt which they bring. that's the best strategy.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8517492

I even have kept my origin's surname, but there is one significant difference. I didn't lost my mind as well as didn't try to use this situation as an excuse for anything... That can't be said about your case.

I'm also doing this for a long time since 2011, I have spent a lot of Bitcoins for donations and compensations. I even made some commits into the projects, which are directly related to bitcoin. So what?  Do you really think that it's enough to be so proud of himself? I think that it would be better to tell me what you have you done for your own country. But okay, we assume that you have found something to be proud.

It doesn't matter anything. Even if you bought a pizza for 2000 btc, it won't convert your biased judgments into impartial statements. It also won't turn your buddies, I'm speaking about the members of huilo brotherhood, into reasonable individuals with independent system of values. They're still just a bunch of losers and reflexive morons. They're doomed to eternal repetition of their errors due to the inability to think independently.

Sporadic shelling in E. Ukraine threatens ceasefire, parties trade blame (VIDEO)
http://rt.com/news/185740-ukraine-shelling-threaten-ceasefire/


The same tactics as applied by Israel to continue murdering Palestinians.

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OCSE reports about multiple lesser violations of ceasefire agreement, including use of firearms and artillery:
http://www.aif.ru/politics/world/1333300

I am truly sorry for your family. Are you sure that all their prosecutors were Soviet Russians? Is it possible that at least some of them were Soviet Ukrainians, Soviet Belarussians, Soviet Georgians etc... or were they just - Soviets? And do you know what triggered such harsh measures?

Anyway. You've admitted two things: that your old personal issues with one country and one ideology who do not exist any more affects your reasoning today; and that your primary source of informations are your Maidan buddies. Fair enough. You are hugely biased and it's completely understandable. But also worth noting.

As for the bitcoin, I've been in it for as long as you were, perhaps even longer. Wish I had motives and time to dedicate so much energy into it as you did. Your contribution is surely much appreciated... but what does this have to do with this particular thread?

I have an unsolicited  idea: that attack by the Zaporizhje militia on a Ukrainian convoy because they are not signatories unlike the LPR & DPR is a good model for the rest of the regions. I've been reading on some history and first ceasefires rarely lasts so it's better that they should position now so they will be part of the next ceasefire agreement. Those in Zaporizhje have already called themselves the Zaporizhje Republic. There are already Odessa & Kharkov republics, their militias should be activated now. The American general was ambushed by a Kharkov militia, they should have more PR to generate the buzz of their presence.

LOL, that doesn't remove the fact you have poor comprehension. Being first in a queue when everybody's attention is in something far greater is always a hobby for the fools so the achievements you seemed to be breastbeating yourself about doesn't mean you no longer have a low IQ. Sample, you're equating Russia vs. Soviet Union is another proof of your poor IQ.

BTW, I repeat my congratulations for not killing yourself just because of a very public humiliation after a very public demonstration of your poor IQ. You can always mingle with the Maidan crowd, stupidity is the norm there. Coalition of the losers  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KCzUCJzpig

Deadly Thunder: Exclusive close-up footage of GRAD missile launcher in action (Ukraine, 02.09.2014)

The pro-Putin crowd here is a bunch of barely educated half wit fascist PSEUDO-intellectuals,

about to find themselves neck deep in the blood of innocents. It will be a pleasure

and a joy to watch them flip flop like fish out of the water. Only THEN, as life slips away,

will they realize they were WRONG. The whole fucken time. FUCK PUTIN

It probably has something to do with me coming from Ukraine, my family being murdered by soviet Russians, my family's wealth and houses being confiscated by Russians, my remaining family members being persecuted, spied on, blacklisted, and made life very difficult and dangerous for, and after most of us escaping, me still having family members in Ukraine, and friends in Kiev, some of whom were top people in Maidan protests, meaning I could get first hand witness reports about what was going on there, why they were protesting, and who was involved, as well as what has been going on since. Sorry, but I am much more concerned about huylo's troops invading and killing my friends and their families, than I am about Ukraine's weak government and barely sustainable military defending against huylo's "lost" "volunteer" "separatists".

But hey, if you want to remember me for anything else, I've been involved with bitcoin for 3.5 years, I was probably the first to buy a car with bitcoin (bought it for 1,000BTC when they were $22 each), I run Bitcoin100.org charity foundation, the oldest bitcoin charity in existence, I am one of the most trusted people on the forum, holding 150BTC for a charity, and am one of 7 treasurers for the forum, holding 750BTC of this forum's money, I donated and invested heavily in Armory, BitMessage, and Open Transactions since the beginning, I am know for my work with Mycelium, I am present at many bitcoin conventions around the world, where I do speaking presentations on bitcoin charities, new technologies, and wallets, as well as run Ask Bitcoin Experts tables, I have been in multiple bitcoin articles even in things like Wired Magazine and Forbes, and in many bitcoin videos and podcasts, and I personally know and am friends with most of the top known bitcoin people out there. So I'm definitely not just some paid shill troll off the street.

Not really sure who the rest of you nobodies are 

There's a report that the Zaporozhje militia has attacked a Ukrainian convoy and they were claiming they are not a part of the DPR/LPR so they were not beholden to the ceasefire. Can somebody confirm this? If it's true, the conflagration has really spread. (BTW, this is the trick to continue with the Novorussia struggle: claim you're not part of the signatories and continue the advance)

Somebody also claimed only Kuchma signed the ceasefire for Kiev, nobody from the regime. But was he authorized or was it all just in his private capacity as former president? This might render the ceasefire unofficial if Kuchma was only a kibitzer