Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 166. (Read 734937 times)

And as I said before but you ignored me, Germany does not count. Nazi Germany lost and was divided into 2 new countries: East Germany and West Germany. West Germany was firmly part of the Anglo-American West, but when the Soviet Union mysteriously collapsed despite the high standard of living, Germany underwent reunification. Which of the 3 different Germany's are you talking about? Nazi, East/West, or New?

You seem to be trying to distract attention away from Soviet or Russian crimes, such as their military occupation and political interference in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania and a few others. Then the Russians act surprised/confused when their former 'brothers' dislike Russia.

Images Show the Buk that Downed Flight MH17 Inside Russia, Controlled by Russian Troops

New evidence has been found that shows the Buk missile system that was used to shoot down MH17 on the 17th of July came from Russia, and was most likely operated by Russian soldiers. Using videos posted by locals in Russia’s Belgorod region back in June it has been possible to identify the Buk missile launcher seen in Ukraine on July 17th as part of a convoy of Buk missile launchers. It has also been possible to identify the Russian brigade the Buk is likely to have belonged to, and who may have operated the Buk missile launcher when it was in Ukraine.

The Buk launcher can be identified because of a number of features, including white markings on the left side side of its chassis, and what looks like the traces of a number that has been painted over. Here is a comparison of the Buk seen in previously unpublicised video taken in Russia on the 23rd of June with a well known image from Paris Match, which shows a Buk in Donetsk at 9am on July the 17th.

Numerous earlier studies of vehicles inside Ukraine has shown it has been standard practice for Russian forces to paint over the numbers on their vehicles before sending them into the Ukraine. In the Paris Match image, much of the remaining number has now been painted over. However, it is still possible to see the top curve of what was a “2” and the other two white marks. It’s important to note that these markings are in exactly the same positions on the Buk in both images.

Please find out more at:
https://bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2014/09/08/images-show-the-buk-that-downed-flight-mh17-inside-russia-controlled-by-russian-troops/

Personally, you may consider them whatever way you want. But as I said before, they are still occupation troops in Europe. Germany can neither insist nor demand their withdrawal (even if they want)... And Russia had withdrawn their troops unlike the USA, so who is an invader?

No. As I already explained, I hadn't considered US forces as occupants. Similarly, a heart transplant is not considered a form of cancer, even though it has different DNA.
The fact is that Russia invaded Europe, not as liberators, but as cynical imperialists and thieves.

Pffft...

"But the USA did this... But the USA did that... Please ignore the Russian crimes because the West was guilty of some other crime..."

The ends don't justify the means. The problem with such grand schemes such as Marxism is that people are expected to die or live terrible lives for the open-ended promise of some utopian future. Wasn't that Hegelian dialectic pseudo-intellectual fluff around since the early 1800s? What I would like to know is, how have the Russians adapted their politics to take into account 20th century advances in philosophy and sciences? Discussion of "Thesis, Antithesis, and Synthesis" sounds very Freudian when compared to Chaos theory, or the works of Einstein, Goedel, and Turing.


Sounds like you've been reading Zero Hedge. They're just a mix of satire, dis-info, and thinly disguised American frustration with the EU. Incidentally, they're also evidence that the EU states are not puppets of the US, or at least they're asserting their independence.

Could you explain how this non-existent futures wealth is meant to work? I'm always enthusiastic about getting more wealth from nothing.

Which Soviets?
Coincidentally, the Soviet satellite states were slowly going bankrupt. The People's Republic of Poland was probably in the worst state where underground political opposition, disguised as a "worker's union" gained 10 million members, and by 1981 the authorities instituted marshal law to show the Soviet Union that everything was safe and under control, and there was no need to send any helpful peacekeepers who were performing unrelated military exercises near the eastern borders.


Undoubtedly there would have plenty of coordination around 1989 to organise the relatively peaceful coups, but do you really think all those millions of people would have agreed and participated if they hadn't been desperate and starving after decades of Soviet rule? And do you really think the communist rulers would have stood by and allowed democratic opposition to take over, if they believed they could win? With all due respect, your claim of a 30-40 year continuation sounds like a fantasy. Maybe Moscow was doing OK, but that's because they were stealing.

Ukrainian MP has published a message to faggots (not mine word, but an exact quote from context)

http://www.ridus.ru/news/166999

I think that our faggots (Pagan & others) are capable to read this without translation.

So you tried to deceive. And the USA still occupies part of Europe, period (and one of the most developed at that). And I see once again that you are trying to switch the discussion from a topic you have been shown to lie about to quite a different theme...

Or maybe Putin wants to avoid the Yugoslavian scenario, where rather large Ukraine (check the map of Europe!) is split into many small insignificant states with different and sometimes unpredictable allegiances. He might want to avoid the divide and conquer scenario. This game is too big to comprehend from the personal here-and-now level.

In other news:
http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/

The reason for this is evident. Many believed and hoped that Putin actually had nothing to do with the events in Ukraine (and would stay aside further on). But now he confirms by his recent actions that he is somewhat pro-Kiev (just when the rebels have gathered momentum and began taking over)...

Germany doesn't count as they were one of the main aggressors in WW2. That was part of the price Germany paid for getting defeated. That still does not explain why the Soviets refused to retreat from several other countries that were not Russia, and why they forced ethnically non-Russian children to learn Russian at school. Even if it's not possible to force everyone to learn something, it took time away from learning more useful subjects.

Perhaps in a 1950s or 1960s context it would be understandable. European 'spoils' were divided between the major powers, and there might have been a legitimate struggle between Communist and Capitalist ideologies. But Western ideals of freer trade, democracy, and personal freedoms, were somehow more successful. As a competitive showcase, West Germany grew far richer than East Germany, and the whole of eastern Europe became poorer than the west. "Damage from WW2" was no longer a good excuse, and it appears that a significant amount of Soviet effort was wasted by stealing resources and keeping the people under control instead of building useful infrastructure.

What the Soviets didn't understand, and now the Russians don't seem to understand, is people's resentment from being oppressed. It doesn't matter that someone else also had troops occupying their country. The American system was plainly better than the Soviet one. Therefore, a) it was more acceptable. b) Western policies were not affected by the emotions of frustrated politicians.

TL;DR: yes the Americans also had troops in various places, but they also had a better system.

no, i'm in a warm and welcoming city of Zaporozhye, waiting for Khuilo's forces to pull off away from my house.
where are you at the moment, may i kindly ask? perhaps in some god forgotten village of Nechernozemye?

I see that the KGB has sent reinforcements.

You guys don't really want the Russian economy to improve, do you? It would make your jobs too expensive, and they would be forced to outsource to India.

It's excellent to see that at least several of Khuilo's slaves have kept an ability to self-criticism.

Looks like we have another candidate to be isolated with his lies, weapons and dirt here... Seeing as he even started his post with a defamatory stance. But karma is going to bite him (unless, of course, he is sitting in some warm NATO data center in Poland or Lithuania)

Khuilo's slaves are brainwashed, bribed and forced into complete lack of independent judgement. the US and western world has chosen the best path to take with them, they'd better be isolated from civilized people, all along with lies, weapons and dirt which they bring. that's the best strategy.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8517492

I even have kept my origin's surname, but there is one significant difference. I didn't lost my mind as well as didn't try to use this situation as an excuse for anything... That can't be said about your case.

I'm also doing this for a long time since 2011, I have spent a lot of Bitcoins for donations and compensations. I even made some commits into the projects, which are directly related to bitcoin. So what?  Do you really think that it's enough to be so proud of himself? I think that it would be better to tell me what you have you done for your own country. But okay, we assume that you have found something to be proud.

It doesn't matter anything. Even if you bought a pizza for 2000 btc, it won't convert your biased judgments into impartial statements. It also won't turn your buddies, I'm speaking about the members of huilo brotherhood, into reasonable individuals with independent system of values. They're still just a bunch of losers and reflexive morons. They're doomed to eternal repetition of their errors due to the inability to think independently.

Sporadic shelling in E. Ukraine threatens ceasefire, parties trade blame (VIDEO)
http://rt.com/news/185740-ukraine-shelling-threaten-ceasefire/


The same tactics as applied by Israel to continue murdering Palestinians.

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OCSE reports about multiple lesser violations of ceasefire agreement, including use of firearms and artillery:
http://www.aif.ru/politics/world/1333300

I am truly sorry for your family. Are you sure that all their prosecutors were Soviet Russians? Is it possible that at least some of them were Soviet Ukrainians, Soviet Belarussians, Soviet Georgians etc... or were they just - Soviets? And do you know what triggered such harsh measures?

Anyway. You've admitted two things: that your old personal issues with one country and one ideology who do not exist any more affects your reasoning today; and that your primary source of informations are your Maidan buddies. Fair enough. You are hugely biased and it's completely understandable. But also worth noting.

As for the bitcoin, I've been in it for as long as you were, perhaps even longer. Wish I had motives and time to dedicate so much energy into it as you did. Your contribution is surely much appreciated... but what does this have to do with this particular thread?

I have an unsolicited  idea: that attack by the Zaporizhje militia on a Ukrainian convoy because they are not signatories unlike the LPR & DPR is a good model for the rest of the regions. I've been reading on some history and first ceasefires rarely lasts so it's better that they should position now so they will be part of the next ceasefire agreement. Those in Zaporizhje have already called themselves the Zaporizhje Republic. There are already Odessa & Kharkov republics, their militias should be activated now. The American general was ambushed by a Kharkov militia, they should have more PR to generate the buzz of their presence.

LOL, that doesn't remove the fact you have poor comprehension. Being first in a queue when everybody's attention is in something far greater is always a hobby for the fools so the achievements you seemed to be breastbeating yourself about doesn't mean you no longer have a low IQ. Sample, you're equating Russia vs. Soviet Union is another proof of your poor IQ.

BTW, I repeat my congratulations for not killing yourself just because of a very public humiliation after a very public demonstration of your poor IQ. You can always mingle with the Maidan crowd, stupidity is the norm there. Coalition of the losers