Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 166. (Read 734725 times)

So why do the Americans still hold their troops in Germany almost 23 years past the USSR's demise? What is your opinion on the cause of this?

Do you have any?

An idealist Russian... this new species sounds even more dangerous than the nihilist cynics.

It probably has something to do with me coming from Ukraine, my family being murdered by soviet Russians, my family's wealth and houses being confiscated by Russians, my remaining family members being persecuted, spied on, blacklisted, and made life very difficult and dangerous for, and after most of us escaping, me still having family members in Ukraine, and friends in Kiev, some of whom were top people in Maidan protests, meaning I could get first hand witness reports about what was going on there, why they were protesting, and who was involved, as well as what has been going on since. Sorry, but I am much more concerned about huylo's troops invading and killing my friends and their families, than I am about Ukraine's weak government and barely sustainable military defending against huylo's "lost" "volunteer" "separatists".

But hey, if you want to remember me for anything else, I've been involved with bitcoin for 3.5 years, I was probably the first to buy a car with bitcoin (bought it for 1,000BTC when they were $22 each), I run Bitcoin100.org charity foundation, the oldest bitcoin charity in existence, I am one of the most trusted people on the forum, holding 150BTC for a charity, and am one of 7 treasurers for the forum, holding 750BTC of this forum's money, I donated and invested heavily in Armory, BitMessage, and Open Transactions since the beginning, I am know for my work with Mycelium, I am present at many bitcoin conventions around the world, where I do speaking presentations on bitcoin charities, new technologies, and wallets, as well as run Ask Bitcoin Experts tables, I have been in multiple bitcoin articles even in things like Wired Magazine and Forbes, and in many bitcoin videos and podcasts, and I personally know and am friends with most of the top known bitcoin people out there. So I'm definitely not just some paid shill troll off the street.

Not really sure who the rest of you nobodies are 

Sorry guys, but I think that any reasonable person won't dedicate so many time to think about Putin's existance. I remember his name only during reading this thread... Rassaah's messages especially. However, it's interesting to see that Rassaah & co have fallen in so deep love with Putin. It's fine that they have some kind of goal in life.

I recognize different Germanies, but this distinction doesn't in the least make the US troops which are stationed there less "occupational". In fact, now, when there is no more the evil USSR, it is even more questionable what the USA forces are doing there. Besides that, Germans are not happy about still being occupied (and there are no illusions about that, by the way), don't pretend it is not so. Actually, I'm laughing at how you put it, "happy to tolerate". This says it all, lol...

You're just being obtuse. You think you'll get some points if I admit that one sentence was inaccurate? Fine, there are some American troops in Germany. But nobody gave a shit for the reasons that I explained earlier. The people were obviously happy to tolerate American troops because they could see that they were protecting a democratic system that was showing superior results compared to the communist Soviet system. Germany has now built itself back into an economic power-house, while the US appears to be weakening, so the situation may change soon.

In addition, it's interesting that you do not recognise East/West Germany and modern Germany, or Nazi Germany as different countries. Obviously, there would be a continuation of common factors like their culture and language. However, the same standards should also be applied to the Soviet Union and today's Russia. Yet whenever Soviet crimes are exposed, the usual response to claim that Russia was merely a member state, and a helpless victim, overpowered by the communist minority.

It was you who stated that Europe is not occupied by the US forces, to begin with, so you may not point a finger at me. And Germany does count, but what certainly doesn't is whether it is East/West, or New, or whatever Germany (and don't forget about Italy)...

And as I said before but you ignored me, Germany does not count. Nazi Germany lost and was divided into 2 new countries: East Germany and West Germany. West Germany was firmly part of the Anglo-American West, but when the Soviet Union mysteriously collapsed despite the high standard of living, Germany underwent reunification. Which of the 3 different Germany's are you talking about? Nazi, East/West, or New?

You seem to be trying to distract attention away from Soviet or Russian crimes, such as their military occupation and political interference in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania and a few others. Then the Russians act surprised/confused when their former 'brothers' dislike Russia.

Personally, you may consider them whatever way you want. But as I said before, they are still occupation troops in Europe.

No. As I already explained, I hadn't considered US forces as occupants. Similarly, a heart transplant is not considered a form of cancer, even though it has different DNA.
The fact is that Russia invaded Europe, not as liberators, but as cynical imperialists and thieves.

So you tried to deceive.

Germany doesn't count as they were one of the main aggressors in WW2. That was part of the price Germany paid for getting defeated. That still does not explain why the Soviets refused to retreat from several other countries that were not Russia, and why they forced ethnically non-Russian children to learn Russian at school. Even if it's not possible to force everyone to learn something, it took time away from learning more useful subjects.