Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 175. (Read 734937 times)

In fact, Putin says that he has nothing to do with the civil war in Ukraine, that he is not the right person to have truce negotiations with. I'm curious where you got the info about Putin announcing ceasefire from...

If Kiev will declare the state of emergency (state of war) then

1. Russia would be very happy about that, because then they will finally have a very good reason to replay with the same.. And then officially the Ukraine would be the one, who starts war against Russia;

2. then by the law of Ukraine, the elections can't be held if there is a war going in Ukraine;

3. also this "status of ATO" (anti-terrorist operation) is very favourable for Ukraine, because Moscow still denies, that there are Russian soldiers in Ukraine.. and if it will continue like that, there will be time for re-arming (with help of other countries) Ukraine's armed forces. And if there are only separatists and terrorists in the E-Ukraine, then there can't be very big objections from Russia if they all are killed like mentally disturbed dogs

Putin is saying that a ceasefire might be announced by this Friday. This might be a very bad move, especially when many of the major cities in the Donbass still controlled by the Kiev forces (Slavyansk, Mariupol, Krasnyi Liman.etc). Also, the Kiev forces are very close to the major cities of Donetsk and Lugansk, which makes them extremely vulnerable to artillery attacks.

Army of the Russian Federation will hold large-scale exercises near the border with Kazakhstan

#бaйкoнypнaш

http://www.newsru.com/russia/03sep2014/uchenia.html

Those figures don't matter anything. If they had, then rebells would have long ago been crashed down by pro-Kievan forces. Actually, now their manpower is almost equal to the Ukrainian troops fighting in Donetsk and Lugansk regions (though still behind in armored vehicles). Besides that, the aim of the militants is not to attack either Zaporozhye or Dnepropetrovsk. As I said, the primary aim is to make the Ukrainian army withdraw troops from Donetsk and Lugansk. And this tactic works perfect...

I will partially agree. But remember that the combined population of Donetsk and Lugansk is only around 6.5 million, while that of the rest of Ukraine is around 40 million. The rebels can never match up with the Kiev junta in terms of manpower. Also, Dnipropetrovsk is not entirely pro-Russia. Around one-third of the people there are anti-Russia and there is strong support for Right Sector and the Social-National Assembly.

The ironic thing, that even if DNR/LNR stay as federative subjects of Ukraine, this whole bloodshed could have been avoided if the coup government of Kiev heeded to original federalisation/self-determinations demands from the East. If the Western "allies" of Ukraine were not so stubbornly blocking Russia's diplomatic initiatives to avoid the conflict back in May.

But as someone said at the beginning of the conflict - freedom can seldom be just granted, it must be fought for.

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Reading RusVesna, I see stand-off still continues:

Putin appeals to the freedom fighters to stop advancing in Donetsk and Lugansk directions:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1409747166

In English: Ukraine ceasefire: Putin lays out 7-step plan to stop hostilities in E. Ukraine
http://rt.com/news/184791-putin-ukraine-kiev-militia/

In Odessa -region (Ismail) Ukrainian flags were taken down:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1409747166
Continuation of Ukraine falling apart at the seams

Resistance: "This is some kind of a game from Kiev. This decision was taken without us. Conditions for end ceasefire, pull out of the troops":
http://rusvesna.su/news/1409747274
Purgin said that Kiev's conditions are bot possible to fulfil as long as the Ukrainian soldiers are on the territory of DNR

23 towns/villages were freed by Lugansk freedom fighters. Ukrainians are on retreat:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1409746672

The coup government continues to threaten to concentrate its troops on the border with Transnistria:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1409738665
Looks like the conflict is to be exported to Moldova after all.

Jatsenjuk talks about project "Wall". Building a possibly physical wall on Ukrainian/Russian border. Berlin 2.0?
http://rusvesna.su/news/1409741500

Ukrainian army loses plane, three tanks, 80 troops in night combat — militia
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/747885

Most important thing is to force Kiev to accept DNR/LNR as legal party in all current and future negotiations. I think it's pretty safe to say at this point that ATO has been defeated so it's perfect time to move this conflict onto political ground and give people of Donbass freedom of choice they deserve.

They are doing it right, and your reasoning is wrong. Venturing further towards Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk (as you call it) makes perfect sense since these initiatives will make the Ukrainian army and NGs withdraw their forces from under Donetsk and Lugansk. Actually, that's exactly what they're doing right now...

The war is evidently lost for Kiev by now. Some keramic guy here had been asking me when everything would be over. So the end seems to be near

There is some confusion regarding the latest talks between Poroshenko and Putin which should result with some kind of ceasefire. Poroshenko denied it was a permanent ceasefire they were discussing, but the "regime of ceasefire". On the other hand, Putin said it's not him who can accept or refuse this proposal because Russia is not at war with Ukraine: "this isn’t any of our business, it is Ukraine’s", thus again pointing Kiev to rebel representatives.

Mr. Putin has also outlined his seven-point plan to stop fighting:

1. Stop offensive of armed self-defense forces in southeastern Ukraine towards Donetsk and Lugansk Regions.
2. Pull back Ukrainian armed forces to a distance that excludes the possibility of shelling settlements with artillery and all kinds of volley fire.
3. To implement full and objective international control over the observance of the ceasefire and monitoring of the situation created thereby in the security zone.
4. To exclude the use of combat aircraft against civilians and villages in the conflict zone.
5. Organize the exchange of persons kept in captivity via an ‘all-in-all’ formula, without any preconditions.
6. Open humanitarian corridors for moves of refugees and delivery of humanitarian goods to cities and other populated areas of Donbass – the Donetsk and Lugansk Regions.
7. To provide direct access of repair crews to destroyed social and carrying infrastructure in affected towns of Donbass, and provide aid to them.

EVIL UKRAINIAN JUNTA NEARING ITS END

But first here's something for laughs...

I tried to read the Kiev newspapers using Google translator, and as expected, it was surreal. As if they were trying to present a parallel universe. But who are they really fooling? In the internet age, very few get their info from the propaganda media. Those who buy newspapers are educated enough to see the spin.
 
HEADLINE: Ukraine left Lugansk airport but killed 100 terrorists

If they killed that much, you wonder why they left because they killed also hundreds in many places but they still left or they became wiped out like in some battalions but it's almost de rigueur that it is added that they killed hundreds as if that little trick could be a redemption for their defeat

Yeah, all the accounts tell they killed 250, 100 but they left or disappeared altogether (these features were also carried in newspapers I checked in the Baltics, so the zone of delusion is wide).

Or it could be that the newspapers in the Post-Soviet space belong to the same propaganda clique of the Anglo-Zionist empire ( the media in UKraine are mostly owned by Zionist Jews, like the ones I've read and like the American mainstream media which is owned by only 6 Zionist-controlled corporations). But it's the delusion of these controllers that people are still taking their information from them. It's obvious the elite in Ukraine is trying to hide from its people that it is already imploding but there is already a general sense of defeat and resignation in Ukraine as people balk at becoming cannon fodder to a clearly losing cause...

You don't need a greater clue that there is a general sense of collapse in Ukraine: Poroshenko, after much foot-dragging despite the thousands of dead in Novorussia, was forced to accede to a permanent ceasefire in a call to Putin. Of course, this could mean many things as to the final conclusion of events- one thing is clear, it's a confirmation the junta has realized it is nearing its end.
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Obvious he can't because he is just a low cost model of cut&paste propaganda bot 

^^^ I think they should concentrate on Donetsk and Lugansk first, before venturing further in to Zaporizhye and Dnipropetrovsk. Strategically important towns and cities, which could provide a lot of manpower to the NAF such as Slavyansk, Krasnyi Liman and Severodonetsk are still under the occupation of the Kiev forces. Also, the battle for Mariupol is still ongoing.

This is the only interesting part of the Ukraine fiasco. Knowing different places as the Novorussian superheroes race to the west.


THE INCREDIBLE DEATH-DEFYING ADVENTURES OF NOVORUSSIAN SUPERHEROES:
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE EVIL UKRAINIAN NAZI JUNTA

PART 2, TO ZAPORIZHYE & DNIPROPETROVSK
(PART 1 was the conquer of Donbass)


Both airports of Donetsk & Lugansk are under the control of the Novorussians. I actually would prefer that Russian supporters send fighter planes now to make the operations easier as they are now targetting big cities. The criminal Ukrainian army has lost almost its airforce so they might ask help (the first sign they do is a good reason to send a swarm of the latest Russian fighters).
 
According to Strelkov, a significant part of the Junta forces have been withdrawn from the Donetsk Republic. He suspects that the new focus of the Ukrainian comedian forces is the defense of Zaporozhye & Dnipropetrovsk. They left all the checkpoints on the Donetsk- Mariupol highway, leaving only that in the entrance to Mariupol. They withdrew from Starobeshevo, Maryanovka, Nobogo Sveta, Novokaterinovki and Komsomolskogo.

What's left on the south of Donetsk are mere pockets of encircled Ukrainian comedian forces and most of the pockets are shrinking now so little versions of the Ilovaysk pocket incident are happening everywhere.If you remember, up to the point when they were annihilated, the propaganda from the Ilovaysk pocket was that they controlled Ilovaysk. Then suddenly they were screaming they were killed by the Russians. It's a grim event but I couldn't help but to laugh with the reaction of the trolls at a propaganda newspaper because one of their trolls forgot he was a troll- he was so shocked he wrote the Ukrainians have been lying all along. LOL.


BTW, I just watched a German account & it was saying there were still Ukrainian control just because there are still Ukrainian stragglers there, forgetting the fact that in military parlance, those Ukrainians are trapped in pockets and merely fighting to stay alive but was going nowhere so they are not in control. A desperate spin but still gave me laughs.

The Novorussian superheroes are now in the eastern part of Zaporizhia, & a twitter account mentioned of a Zeleny Yar in Dnipropetrovsk oblast was taken (but I couldn't find it in the map, there's also a Zeleny Yar in Zaporozhye city itself but the NAF forces are still in the east midway between Zaporizhye city & Donetsk city. But clearly, they are out of the Donbass region.

#бaйкoнypнaш?  B Кaзaxcтaнe нaчaли oxoтy зa paшиcткими флaгaми! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EBSHgiZsVg&feature=youtu.be

WE REPLACED A GOVERNMENT OF THIEVES WITH A GOVERNMENT OF KILLER OLIGARCHS"

Victoria Shilova, Ukrainian MP

https://www.youtube.com/embed/5veOECY0tKQ …



 COMMENT: She has a strong sex appeal...  but her message is harrowing. But it's clear, reckoning time in Ukraine is near.





  

     > special for ruSSian liars:

ruSSian moves HUGE convoy of armor into Ukraine.

This video shows 122 army vehicles ranging from trucks to tanks and support vehicles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uisl4gqfIl0

At 41:14 is a sign visible at the side of the road:


It says M04 E40. This is the road from Krasnodon through Lugansk to Donetsk.

Screenshot from the beginning of the video:


Some kind of yellow billboard or traffic sign can be seen (red circle). Also Trolley bus lines are visible. Only Donetsk, Lugansk and Krasnodon have these.

The video reported to be shot in the Krasnodon region.

This Panoramio photo could be found that also shows this yellow sign as well as the trolleybus lines:


Here is such a trolleybus:


This Panoramio photo shows that the yellow sign is at the split of roads towards Sukhodilsk and Krasnodon:


It means the position of the column (and the route of the driver) is like this:


The trolley bus is driving towards Molodogvardiisk and Lugansk (blue arrow) and the column is facing towards Sukhodilsk and Russia (red arrow)

Google Maps link https://www.google.nl/maps/place/Molodohvardiis%27k,+Luhans%27ka+oblast,+Oekra%C3%AFne/@48.3393398,39.6746305,1588m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x411e2f3da968df1d:0x8a4dd79c2d253042

What the exact meaning of this is, is unclear. Is this rotation of units? Are they heading south? Will they turn?
It does not necessarily mean they return to Russia. There is a route South that goes through Krasnodon:


From there they may go West again to Donetsk or even into the direction of Mariupol.
Since the Ukrainian army still controls Debaltseve, that road is not available for transport to the South.

Whatever it is, these units have been brought in by Russia and they are on Ukrainian territory.


Some of the vehicles:








http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/09/russian-moves-huge-convoy-of-armor-into.html

raibi

There is some fighting activity on the eastern border of Zaporizhia region but it's relatively safe for now in case if he won't participate in any political activity such as anti- or pro-government protests. Protesting could be very harmful for health if you're living there.

LOL, Pagan is a special agent., he's been planting disinformation many times ... fortunately, he's stupid he's been always caught...

Let me count the ways he has posted fake information here:

1) he posted a fake photograph (alleged plane bombing a boat in Mariupol)

2) he blatantly identified  a tank as Russian when it turned out it was Czech (he's asking you to just believe what he said though you know he's a disinformation agent)

3)  he posted a photograph declaring it's in Ukraine when it could be anywhere the vast flat lands of Russia, but you must believe him because he said so though he's been exposed as publishing fake information many times

Many more but that's enough to indict him.

Frankly, all these data about presence of Russians is immaterial. What can the bankrupt West do anyway? Posture again to intimidate? They have done that many times before, from economic to military, but it's been hilarious. They have done sanctions but it turned out they hit themselves on the face instead (Germany shrunk by .2% while Russia grew .8% in the same period), they have done military trainings to scare but Russia merely trained also beside them so they all went home. The US sent its most modern warship, USS Donald Cook, at the Black SEa to intimidate but a single Russian plane jammed "its most modern in the world, state-of-the-art computerized navigational apparatus" (that's the hype of the American propaganda press)  then played with it for 90 minutes. The USS Donald Cook became USS Donald Duck.

Frankly, UKraine is losing. Very embarrassing really. A bunch of criminal thugs supported by bankrupt Western power wannabes defeated by farmers and miners... The Ukrainians should learn shame and just hide instead... Frankly, I'm tired of laughing at them...

Like Pagan, he should be ashamed, he's been caught faking information many times but he has a thick face...

The Ukraine fiasco is the corniest comedy so far!!! If not for the fact it was the Waterloo of the Anglo-Zionist empire, I won't bother with it....

Guys , someone know if zaparojie is quiet ?

Have a cousin there and hope it's safe