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September 04, 2014, 08:36:42 PM
Near Mariupol the 9th battalion of a brigade of the Russian army from Nizhni-Novgorod was destroyed completely by the Ukrainian air force. No wonder Putin wants a no-fly-agreement as part of the truce.








LET's LAUGH FOR A MOMENT


So the losing Ukrainian villains and their crumbling masters are that desperate- not only do they go to the extent of falsifying info but they even have fake websites now, incuding "rus" in their URL names. Just like the Interpretermag of convicted former billionaire Mikhail Kodorovsky who was finally forced to admit recently that the Ukrainian troops are losing badly. Just like the Ukrainian comedian army who accepts they lost a battle ten days after the fact.

Pagan has been exposed many times for his disinformation but I guess he must be doing it for his mercenary fee so shame is not part of his vocabulary. But the fact that they even use "StopFake.org" is typical of the propaganada tricks used by the Anglo-Zionist ilk- DO WHAT IS OPPOSITE. Claim we are for democracy but we remove elected governments we don't like. We help you fight corruption but we are actually using you to plunder you because you are stupid (like the Maidan).You have no freedom of the press but  only 6 Zionist-owned corporations own the mainstream media anyway, so we have a propaganda press to save our interests, etc.

The trick is to make a narrative "Russians in UKraine" to demonize.I guess they haven't reached the stage to realize they have lost their ability to control the narrative long ago.

 I am far away from Russia and Ukraine but I can clearly see the script of the villains:

1) The political nitpicking sorrounding a supposed  invasion is moot. After the carnage done by the criminal Ukrainian comedic forces on the civilian population, Russia has the popular and legal support to drive out the criminals not only from Novorussia but from Kiev itself (remember the NATO rationale for Serbia incursion and other precedents). In this case pretentious talk is useless.PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT RUsSIA TO HAVE INVADED LONG AGO. Even in America, most hate the 1% dominated Anglo-Zionist monsters & they are rooting for the Russians. This is just a continuation of the Indignados campaign, the recent EU elections and the Occupy movements in the US. But this time the heroes are clearly winning against the villains. So, Russia, go for it, invade Kiev. The ruckus will only be in the Western propaganda press which nobody reads anyway but the world will cheer instead. Right about time, the Anglo-Zionist is bankrupt, time to wake them up to a new reality.(Of course, no need to do it now because the rebels are winning anyway, current developments will wake the villains up anyway!!! Grin)

2) if it was intended for the Western politicians who love to posture as if they can still intimidate anybody, it doesn't matter anymore. They are bombing Mariupol while the NATO clowns are saberrattling in Wales. Is anybody still thinking about what the clowns think? There is actualy a comedic twist to it and the comedians are the WEstern has-beens, busy pretending powerful while the roof above their heads is caving in.

3) this is the most laughable. This was supposed to become a rallying point in Russia against war in Ukraine because mothers are complaining of their soldiers going to war. Why did the mothers let their sons become soldiers in the first place? One of the NGO's created by the vilains in Russia is this supposed to be organization of mothers protecting the soldiers and in their minds, they should be handy in cases like this but they will never be handy because that organization is too obviously contrived, very obvious creation of WEstern provocateurs and this group is mercenary so the Russian authorities should be targetting this because the leaders are obviously foreign agents.Of course, the reason I suspect they are not doing nything is because it is so laughable, just a waste of time.

Meanwhile, Poroshenko is busy claiming he has a ceasefire on Friday. He obviously knows he has clearly lost it.I guess, the rallying cry should be "Na KIev".

Just imagine Poroshenko, Yatseniuk and the Right Sektor eating their neckties like Mikhail Sakashvilli did during the Georgian War.

See, I told you, it's gonna be funny


Btw, I thank the Ukraine fiasco. I was learning Russian language half-heartedly before but this drama forced me to really read Russian language Cyrillic script to keep abreast with the news. Good news, I can understand 95% of the time without using the dictionary. Thank you, Novorussians! I just added Russian to my fluentlanguage list: I also speak French, Italian, Spanish, German, Dutch and Hungarian. By learning Russian, I discovered I can also read Bulgarian, though without the declensions. The Slavic languages are close: I can understand half of what the Serbian, Croatian (actually similar to Serbian)and Polish are saying.I don't bother with the Ukrainian much, it's about another reality altogether.




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September 04, 2014, 04:36:21 PM
And this is the response of the population of Mariupol - in short and in Russian: ПTH-ПHX





Житeли Mapиyпoля вышли ceгoдня нa yлицы гopoдa в oтвeт нa aтaкy poccийcкиx вoйcк

https://twitter.com/euromaidan/status/507539347080769536/photo/1   #‎StopRussianAggression‬ ‪#‎UkraineUnderAttack‬
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September 04, 2014, 04:27:08 PM
Rebel multiple rocket launchers firing in the vicinity of Mariupol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7k6bHCoBcw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTa3ATRxMq0

^ proof of ruSSian war crimes against civilian Ukrainians
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September 04, 2014, 04:20:02 PM
Near Mariupol the 9th battalion of a brigade of the Russian army from Nizhni-Novgorod was destroyed completely by the Ukrainian air force. No wonder Putin wants a no-fly-agreement as part of the truce.



http://rusjev.net/2014/09/04/pod-mariupolem-segodnya-sgorela-rossiyskaya-tankovaya-rota/

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September 04, 2014, 03:25:55 PM
Rebel multiple rocket launchers firing in the vicinity of Mariupol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7k6bHCoBcw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTa3ATRxMq0
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September 04, 2014, 12:08:40 PM
According to the pro-Kiev source liveuamap.com, the Kiev forces have withdrawn from Debaltsevo. This is a very strategic location, as most of the artillery shelling aimed at the residential areas in Donetsk were conducted form here.

Meanwhile, there is bad news for the NAF. It seems that the Donetsk Airport is still not completely cleared of the Kiev forces.  Angry
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September 04, 2014, 11:55:28 AM
I've got tired of correcting the info in your posts, lol. The Armed Forces of Ukraine (the official name for the Ukrainian army) have around 130,000 of active personnel. The number you gave (40,000-45,000 men) is the manpower currently employed in military operations in the Donbass area...

Hmm... I am not quite sure about that. The strength was 130,000 before the operations began in Donbass. During these operations as much as 30,000 were made inactive (KIA, WIA & POW). Also, a large part of this 130,000 figure is composed of border guards, who can't be sent to the front-lines. Another 15,000 is from the Navy, who have no role in the Donbass.

Even if some part of the border guards (which all-in-all have around 45,000 men) can be sent to the front lines, they are still not part of the Ukrainian army (that is they shouldn't be included into your "number of active soldiers serving with Kiev"). Besides that, the border guards are also partaking in military operations in Donbass, and I can't be sure that this number is relatively small...

But if we do count them (which is logical), then the total manpower under the Kiev command should be increased by this figure
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September 04, 2014, 11:43:06 AM
I've got tired of correcting the info in your posts, lol. The Armed Forces of Ukraine (the official name for the Ukrainian army) have around 130,000 of active personnel. The number you gave (40,000-45,000 men) is the manpower currently employed in military operations in the Donbass area...

Hmm... I am not quite sure about that. The strength was 130,000 before the operations began in Donbass. During these operations as much as 30,000 were made inactive (KIA, WIA & POW). Also, a large part of this 130,000 figure is composed of border guards, who can't be sent to the front-lines. Another 15,000 is from the Navy, who have no role in the Donbass.
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September 04, 2014, 10:22:43 AM
Maybe with 1 million soldiers they can defeat the Russians.

First of all there are no Russians out there. The vast majority of the Donbass rebels are ethnic Ukrainians. And secondly, from where they are going to get 1 million soldiers? Right now the number of active soldiers serving with Kiev is somewhere around 40,000 - 45,000. And of that number, a large part is from provinces such as Trans-Carpathia and Odessa and are not willing to fight the rebels.

I've got tired of correcting the info in your posts, lol. The Armed Forces of Ukraine (the official name for the Ukrainian army) have around 130,000 of active personnel. The number you gave (40,000-45,000 men) is the manpower currently employed in military operations in the Donbass area...
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September 04, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
One country occupies part of another country, killing people at their homeland and you call it "completely normal"?

Nothing in Ukraine is normal these days, starting from revolutionary government in Kiev which is waging war against their own citizens who refused to accept Maidan's heritage. Please pay attention to what I wrote. I said that formally (legally) situation is normal because no state of emergency has been declared.
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September 04, 2014, 09:31:44 AM
Maybe with 1 million soldiers they can defeat the Russians.

First of all there are no Russians out there. The vast majority of the Donbass rebels are ethnic Ukrainians. And secondly, from where they are going to get 1 million soldiers? Right now the number of active soldiers serving with Kiev is somewhere around 40,000 - 45,000. And of that number, a large part is from provinces such as Trans-Carpathia and Odessa and are not willing to fight the rebels.
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September 04, 2014, 08:40:16 AM
What do you mean with "state of emergency"? You are misunderstanding something. Give some link to law or at least publication, where is written about "state of emergency" AND mobilization!
I am using a juridical term "state of war" (вoeннoe пoлoжeниe) and my arguments ar 100% logical. Declaring state of war would be very unreasonable for Ukraine. Look for arguments in previous posts.

After skimming through Ukrainian Constitution I got this impression that the mobilization and lawful use of armed forces may occur only after the state of emergency (or state of war) had been declared. This subject is mentioned in article 85 (sections 9 and 31), and article 106 (section 20). Please feel free to correct me if I misinterpreted the data.

Thing is that Ukrainian army has pretty impressive human potential: up to one million reserve personnel might be called to arms, and how much are currently deployed on the east? 50.000? While the alleged Russian invasion is underway? Ukraine lost Crimea and pretty big chunk of the land in Donbass, but formally speaking situation is completely normal. Surely this doesn't sound right, don't you agree? Do you trust Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk?


We are talking about the same thing. Take a look on all translations:
"ввeдeння вoєннoгo чи нaдзвичaйнoгo cтaнy" - http://zakon4.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/254%D0%BA/96-%D0%B2%D1%80/page2
"ввeдeнии вoeннoгo или чpeзвычaйнoгo пoлoжeния" - http://meget.kiev.ua/zakon/konstitutsia-ukraini/razdel-4/
"state of martial law or of emergency" - http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Ukraine,_2004

By the way "B cлyчae пpoвaлa миpнoгo плaнa, Typчинoв бyдeт иницииpoвaть вoeннoe пoлoжeниe"
http://www.unian.net/politics/959153-v-sluchae-provala-mirnogo-plana-turchinov-budet-initsiirovat-voennoe-polojenie-smi.html
That means, that in case of failure of peace plan, Turchinov will initiate martial law.. There are thousands of Russian soldiers and hundreds of Russian army armored vehicles in Ukraine. It is too obvious for all world already.

About human potential...
You are right. The potential is impressive, but during last years (during time of Janukovich), the army was catastrophically weakened - the biggest part of armored vehicles is out of order, or divided into parts and sold out. The Army of Russia is more than 6 time bigger and much better equipped. What a soldier with machine gun can do against Smerch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtFCsWeO1Lc) and hundreds of tanks?

One country occupies part of another country, killing people at their homeland and you call it "completely normal"?
Why shouldn't we trust Poroshenko? He is president for a very short time.. Let him work! He looks Ok to me. Yatsenyuk... well, he is rather emotional, and not as strong personality as Poroshenko.
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September 04, 2014, 06:46:28 AM
Maybe with 1 million soldiers they can defeat the Russians.

There are no Russians. Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk know this very well. They have problem with their own citizens - not only with those who decided to distance themselves from Kiev's new official politics, but also with those seemingly loyal.

Which brings me to my point: Ukrainian oligarchs don't dare to declare state of emergency and full mobilization because they are scared of their own people and their possible reaction much more than they are scared of the rebellion in Donbass. Nation doesn't want war. People are angry. Beside that, their personal business affairs and grip on what's being left of Ukrainian economy aren't going very well with the state of emergency and everything it implies. That's why oligarchs are mostly relying on their own paramilitary (so called "volunteer batallions") - this is their private war above anything else. And since they are failing in it, they would be more than happy if someone else (read: NATO) takes over from here.

Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk are not stupid. But this "little" game they are playing is sinister.
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September 04, 2014, 06:18:15 AM
Circle jerk

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=circle+jerk

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3.) When a bunch of blowhards - usually politicians - get together for a debate but usually end up agreeing with each other's viewpoints to the point of redundancy, stroking each other's egos as if they were extensions of their genitals (ergo, the mastubatory insinuation). Basically, it's what happens when the choir preaches to itself.
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September 04, 2014, 06:10:11 AM
What do you mean with "state of emergency"? You are misunderstanding something. Give some link to law or at least publication, where is written about "state of emergency" AND mobilization!
I am using a juridical term "state of war" (вoeннoe пoлoжeниe) and my arguments ar 100% logical. Declaring state of war would be very unreasonable for Ukraine. Look for arguments in previous posts.

After skimming through Ukrainian Constitution I got this impression that the mobilization and lawful use of armed forces may occur only after the state of emergency (or state of war) had been declared. This subject is mentioned in article 85 (sections 9 and 31), and article 106 (section 20). Please feel free to correct me if I misinterpreted the data.

Thing is that Ukrainian army has pretty impressive human potential: up to one million reserve personnel might be called to arms, and how much are currently deployed on the east? 50.000? While the alleged Russian invasion is underway? Ukraine lost Crimea and pretty big chunk of the land in Donbass, but formally speaking situation is completely normal. Surely this doesn't sound right, don't you agree? Do you trust Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk?

Maybe with 1 million soldiers they can defeat the Russians.
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September 04, 2014, 05:56:07 AM
What do you mean with "state of emergency"? You are misunderstanding something. Give some link to law or at least publication, where is written about "state of emergency" AND mobilization!
I am using a juridical term "state of war" (вoeннoe пoлoжeниe) and my arguments ar 100% logical. Declaring state of war would be very unreasonable for Ukraine. Look for arguments in previous posts.

After skimming through Ukrainian Constitution I got this impression that the mobilization and lawful use of armed forces may occur only after the state of emergency (or state of war) had been declared. This subject is mentioned in article 85 (sections 9 and 31), and article 106 (section 20). Please feel free to correct me if I misinterpreted the data.

Thing is that Ukrainian army has pretty impressive human potential: up to one million reserve personnel might be called to arms, and how much are currently deployed on the east? 50.000? While the alleged Russian invasion is underway? Ukraine lost Crimea and pretty big chunk of the land in Donbass, but formally speaking situation is completely normal. Surely this doesn't sound right, don't you agree? Do you trust Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk?
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September 04, 2014, 05:51:14 AM
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September 04, 2014, 04:44:44 AM
Su-25's seem pretty easy to shoot down. I hope they don't try to use it over enemy territory.

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September 04, 2014, 04:06:31 AM
State of emergency is not exactly the same thing as the state of war. Your arguments look pale comparing to dramatical claims that Russia is invading Ukraine. If this was true, and Poroshenko and his gang are refusing to declare state of emergency as necessary step towards the full mobilization and declaration of war - then this is an act of high treason.

What do you mean with "state of emergency"? You are misunderstanding something. Give some link to law or at least publication, where is written about "state of emergency" AND mobilization!
I am using a juridical term "state of war" (вoeннoe пoлoжeниe) and my arguments ar 100% logical. Declaring state of war would be very unreasonable for Ukraine. Look for arguments in previous posts.
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September 04, 2014, 03:51:07 AM
^^
Yes, fake. Original video from the cockpit was taken during the joint Russian-Chinese exercise "Aviadarts-2014", rest is some random stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyaQiMHnFj0

As far as I know, captured SU-25 is not operational.
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