Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 180. (Read 734937 times)

I wonder how much of these is still left. I mean, Russia has gone through some difficult periods when these treasuries could have been stolen or something.

By the way you didn't mention that these treasuries were seized as a result of Romanian invasion of Bessarabia in 1918, which I found a fair price under those circumstances.

But it's been long ago so I hope this will get resolved some day.

WTF
Stalin protected USSR and he was a great ruler. The fact that he put his country's interests above the interests of Poland's is fine.

niothor, you are xenophobe and russophobe. USSR won the second world war. You have to thanks USSR for your life. You are  alive only because of the USSR.

90 tons of gold Out of 120 initial tons only 30 have been returned (on paper at least , as the claim is made by the pro russian communist party in power at that time)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Treasure

All the governments of Romania since World War I, regardless of their political colour, have tried unsuccessfully to negotiate a return of the gold and of the culturally valuable objects, but all Soviet and Russian governments have refused. The Soviet Union tried to use the treasure in the dispute over Bessarabia, however no agreement was reached.[1]

After the fall of the USSR, the Russian governments' position toward the Romanian Treasure remained the same and various negotiations failed. The Romanian-Russian treaty of 2003 did not mention the Treasure; presidents Ion Iliescu and Vladimir Putin decided to create a commission to analyze this problem, but no advances were made.

Good for you for not answering my question and trying to troll instead. I don't know what we owe you. I was hoping you would shed the light

Amen to this.

Could not agree more. If only those warmongering fools sitting in Kiev could hear you. We all know that this war is only going to get worse. Serious international peace conference should be held as soon as possible, and Kiev must finally accept reality and start talking with Novorossiyan representatives. In my opinion, plan 'Z-4' which has been proposed by international community during the civil war in Croatia can be a good basis to achieve sustainable peace in Ukraine.

Main points of this plan, translated to Ukraine, would be:

1.) Novorossiya is single autonomous region within the Ukraine;
2.) Borders of Novorossiya are old official administrative borders of Donetsk and Luhansk regions;
3.) Novorossiya is not allowed to organize any political action which would be aimed at substantial change of its legal status in next 20 years;
4.) Novorossiya gets its own:
- president
- cabinet
- parliament
- legislation
- courts
- police force
- central bank
- currency
- symbols (flag, coat of arms, hymn)
- right to levy taxes
- right to enter into international agreements
- right to extract mineral resources and to administer industrial and agricultural infrastructure on its territory;
5.) Novorossiya is fully demilitarized - all heavy weaponry is removed;
6.) Ukrainian army may enter Novorossiya only if the President of Novorossiya asks for their presence;
7.) Citizens of Novorossiya may have dual citizenship - both Ukrainian and Russian;
8.) Sides to sign are Ukraine and Novorossiya. Guarantees and supervisors are Russia, Germany, France, Great Britain and USA.

After a long wait, the Donetsk airport is finally under the control of the NAF. The Amvroseevka cauldron is reduced by 70%. Ilovaisk is almost completely free of the Kiev forces, after the last of the Ukrainian soldiers and militants surrendered to the NAF. This means that the NAF can now free-up more forces for their operations in Mariupol and SeveroDonetsk.  

Of course , why asking somebody you sent your national treasure for safe keeping to give it back.

What should we 'return' and how and why would we do that?

Probably when you also return what you have stolen from both Poland and Romania at those times?

You Russians constantly use the word nazi and hitler and only talk on how germans invaded but when it comes to stalin and urss you always claim that was in the past.

Double standards again.

The Red Army achieved its targets, vastly outnumbering Polish resistance and capturing some 230,000 Polish prisoners of war.[4][17] The Soviet government annexed the territory under its control and in November 1939 made the 13.5 million formerly Polish citizens now under its control citizens of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union immediately started a campaign of sovietizing the newly acquired areas. This included staged elections, the results of which the Soviet Union used to legitimize its annexation of eastern Poland. The Soviets quelled opposition through summary executions and thousands of arrests.[18][19] The Soviet Union sent hundreds of thousands of people from this region to Siberia and other remote parts of the Soviet Union in four major waves of deportation between 1939 and 1941.[Note 6]

The Soviets killed tens of thousands of Polish prisoners of war, some during the campaign itself.[90] On 24 September, the Soviets killed 42 staff and patients of a Polish military hospital in the village of Grabowiec, near Zamość.[91] The Soviets also executed all the Polish officers they captured after the Battle of Szack, on 28 September 1939.[75] Over 20,000 Polish military personnel and civilians perished in the Katyn massacre.[1][73] Torture was used by the NKVD on a wide scale in various prisons, especially those in small towns.[92]

yes yes eat an apple, low IQ, you're stupid....
"Fuck prosperity of russia, I prefer poverty with the EU" from the context of the sentence - "Russia rising power"
all of you are stupid, the KGB for you is probably the philantropic organization, red army probably the world's salvation and putin is an angel sent to proclaim peace to the world

The war is over.... it's all over but the shouting....


Putin calls for talks on 'statehood' for eastern Ukraine

http://www.afp.com/en/news/putin-calls-talks-statehood-eastern-ukraine


Putin urges talks on 'statehood' of eastern Ukraine

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-urges-talks-on-statehood-of-eastern-ukraine-9702054.html

I think the Maidan flunkies will be too embarassed to display their stupidity here so let's see the more important developments

AMERICAN GENERAL WOUNDED & 3 OTHER AMERICANS KILLED IN NOVORUSSIA

American general was wounded, three officers killed by militia
Author: Ayre oт 1.08.2014, 22:01
(гoлocoв:

Slavyansk militants are conducting operations both inside their region and beyond its borders. Last night they shelled an all-road military truck GAZ-66 carrying a punitive troop of the Kiev junta. Militias are also fighting on the territory of Kharkov oblast (province). Shelling of the mechanized column with US military men has been their first major success.
This operation has been executed near the town of Izyum (52 km. to the north-west from Slavyansk). A reconnaissance and sabotage group of Slavyansk militants attacked a mechanized column of the US military instructors. Three US officers were killed. One of them allegedly was a woman – the fragment of a skull with bleached hair has been found on the spot. Besides, an American general Key Randy Allen who actually handles the punitive troops in Novorossiya was wounded. Taking into account that a sniper shot the US military adviser on the Mariupol beach on July, 30, already 10 of 180 US military men who had come to Ukraine were killed. Note that that the week has not ended yet.


General Major Key Randy Allen studied in the Reserve Officer Training Corps (University of Oregon). He was a navigating officer in the B-52 jet-powered strategic bomber’s crew and a pilot on the military transport plane. Kee Randy Allen took part in the Pentagon operations in SouthWest Asia, Balkans, and Afghanistan. Afterwards he worked in the US Ministry of Defense and the Headquarters US Air Force, Mobile Air Response Center (Deputy Commander-in-Chief), Directorate of Strategic Plans and Politics of the Joint Staff (Deputy Director for Politics in Western Hemisphere).


http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2739-american-general-was-wounded-three-officers-killed-by-militia.html



 

Yes, but not gold bullions as people might think, but rather the gold reserves of the various kinds of historical artefacts, Ukraine's national heritage.
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/04/19/ukraine-scandals-usa-raids-ukrainian-gold-and-eu-sends-nuclear-waste/
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/inaugural-episode-of-ladaraylive-is-here-crimeas-scythian-gold-mh17-russian-sanctions-global-consequences/

Hmmm,  seems you have forgotten to eat your apple again, it could have increased the growth of your brain cells.

Besides the low IQ, it seems the Maidan flunkies also have problems psychologically. Not only fanaticism, but worse, masochism. Because the train of your thoughts betray you want your suffering to go on for years, that you prefer poverty.. so that you'll wallow in self-pity because you actually love that you are always suffering? ... just so you won't wake up to the fact that you are really stupid? I was surprised really of the stupidity in your group, you rely on anger but nobody seems to notice most  are stupid. Imagine the gall of debating here when they could not even comprehend what they're reading...So how were you able to analyze the complicated issues about democracy, corruption, freedom when you can't even understand a simple sentence? That's why the CIA easily misled you because its obvious you're ignorant of the world. What's happening in Ukraine has happened in many countries but you were too stupid to know it. IN the Philippines, the Americans extorted the then dictator Ferdinand Marcos that he give the Americans the Philippine gold but when he refused, the American NGO's created the first People Power revolution (same as the Maidan color revolution in East Europe) and removed him. Have you noticed that right after the Yanukovich was dislodged, Ukraine's gold were immediately taken to the US? So why did Yatseniuk allow Biden's son & his friends now control the shale gas in UKraine? Or that your gas pipelines are now with the Europeans?

So the usual Western vultures are now enjoying their profits in Ukraine and you say you are content to continue with your suffering?



Since you love masochism, I'll repost some previous relevant posts (I corrected the grammar)



Frankly, I'm not too sympathetic with  innocent idealists. They should know if they were falling into the  wolves' lair. That's what happened in Maidan. They could have read more & if they did, they could have learned they were falling into the usual trap of the CIA, they should have been wiser. They were stupid, to be frank.


So, we have proven in this forum that the Maidan flunkeys have low IQ's. Where have you found a group of more stupid people who fought for their supposed blind idealism so that their country could break up? The machinations of the CIA have already broken up many countries but  they were too stupid to still jump without noticing they were being led to jump into the abyss. Now they blame everybody forgetting it's all because of their stupidity.

They will become the butt of jokes for a long time to come...

Fuck prosperity of russia, I prefer poverty with the EU
show me a nation that extends to Russia voluntarily

Great arguments - so typical for ruSSians

So, we have proven in this forum that the Maidan flunkeys have low IQ's. Where have you found a group of more stupid people who fought for their supposed blind idealism so that their country could break up? The machinations of the CIA have already broken up many countries but  they were too stupid to still jump without noticing they were being led to jump into the abyss. Now they blame everybody forgetting it's all because of their stupidity.

They will become the butt of jokes for a long time to come...

@myshownow "Russia is fighting for a multi-polar world" - and attacking neighborhoods countries. Hypocrisy?