Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 27. (Read 734725 times)
Right. According to psychopaths nothing is ever their fault it´s always the victims´fault. That´s also a very familiar pattern from those quarters. And at least some idiots always lap it up.
Yes, but most people fleeing to kiew's cotrolled areas and not to russia. And there is no deliberate shelling of residential areas. You were disinformed. It's russian terrorists who placing their guns and tanks in residential sectors in order to make ukranian army to kill its own people.
But facts don't support your argument. Out of the pre-war population of some 6.5 million, 3.0 million are living either in the DPR or LPR. Close to 1 million have fled to Russia. Only some 2.5 million or so are residing in the junta controlled territory. And almost all of the casualties from the shelling have occurred in the rebel controlled parts. Very few people have died in the junta controlled cities from rebel shelling.
People tend to die in case of war. Check how many civillians were killed in Iraq by Americans.
Is that the justification for killing many thousands of innocent civillians in the Donbass region? Normally, the warring sides don't shell residential areas. But here, the Ukrainian army has been deliberately targeting residential sectors within cities such as Donetsk and Lugansk, in order to drive away the native population towards Russia.
Yes, but most people fleeing to kiew's cotrolled areas and not to russia. And there is no deliberate shelling of residential areas. You were disinformed. It's russian terrorists who placing their guns and tanks in residential sectors in order to make ukranian army to kill its own people.
People tend to die in case of war. Check how many civillians were killed in Iraq by Americans.
Is that the justification for killing many thousands of innocent civillians in the Donbass region? Normally, the warring sides don't shell residential areas. But here, the Ukrainian army has been deliberately targeting residential sectors within cities such as Donetsk and Lugansk, in order to drive away the native population towards Russia.
LOL, what made them do this?
They were from the city of Lugansk. While they were serving with the Ukraine state apparatus, the junta soldiers were shelling the residential areas of Lugansk, killing innocent women and chidlren. Many of their relatives were affected in the shelling. Finally, the two told themselves that they had enough of the junta, and decided to defect.
People tend to die in case of war. Check how many civillians were killed in Iraq by Americans. But changing side like they did is stupid. Soon they will realize their mistake. LPR and DPR is nothing more than a bunch of gangsters supported by Putin. Most people on DPR controlled terrytory just want this war to end. And want Kiew to end these so called DPR and LPR.
And ukranian power its not junta. It's legal ukranian power. And legal ukranian army now. You have to accept it.
LOL, what made them do this?
They were from the city of Lugansk. While they were serving with the Ukraine state apparatus, the junta soldiers were shelling the residential areas of Lugansk, killing innocent women and chidlren. Many of their relatives were affected in the shelling. Finally, the two told themselves that they had enough of the junta, and decided to defect.
Yep, it´s a familiar pattern. In Iraq and Afghanistan Uncle Sam utilized it to the hilt and then some to make itself and its puppets as unpopular as possible. The results have been obvious. Since they pick the same sort of hopeless nutjobs as puppets in Ukraine they are clearly trying to achieve similar results. So far with success for them it seems.
LOL, what made them do this?
They were from the city of Lugansk. While they were serving with the Ukraine state apparatus, the junta soldiers were shelling the residential areas of Lugansk, killing innocent women and chidlren. Many of their relatives were affected in the shelling. Finally, the two told themselves that they had enough of the junta, and decided to defect.
LOL, what made them do this?
Two brothers claiming to have worked for the Ukrainian state apparatus, one of them for the foreign intelligence service, and the other for the Foreign Ministry, held a press conference in Lugansk on Monday after switching sides to fight for the fledgling Lugansk People's Republic, Russia's RIA Novosti reports.
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150615/1023397660.html
Water blockade. Kiev already did this inhumane act against Crimea twice, once succeeding them to rescind on the results of a referendum. Now they are depriving the people in Lugansk (Stahanov) of water. Temperatures there are 30 degrees now
Just seize those regions from where the water is flowing. The issue will be resolved. First give an ultimatum to the junta troops, to restore the flow of water. If they refuse, then launch an offensive, and seize the reservoirs and dams. The junta idiots never realize that they are an inferior fighting force, when compared to the militia. Debacles such as Ilovaysk and Debaltsevo will happen again and again, but these low IQ people will never learn anything.
The Big Bad Bear, cont...
U.S. Presidential reality show:
The only time Putin shivers is when he´s shirtless out in the cold Russian winter. And he needs to be isolated from his people. Yeah right. Who the heck votes for the these weirdos, LOL
Putin & ‘Russian bear’: The boogeymen of the US presidential race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siV0daDOkr4
U.S. Presidential reality show:
The only time Putin shivers is when he´s shirtless out in the cold Russian winter. And he needs to be isolated from his people. Yeah right. Who the heck votes for the these weirdos, LOL
Putin & ‘Russian bear’: The boogeymen of the US presidential race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siV0daDOkr4
Nuke Russia?
The warlords of Washington haven’t ruled it out
by Justin Raimondo, June 15, 2015
The War Party is a veritable propaganda machine, churning out product 24/7. Armed with nearly unlimited resources, both from government(s) and the private sector, they carpet-bomb the public with an endless stream of lies in order to soften them up when it’s time to roll. In the past, their job has been relatively easy: simply order up a few atrocity stories – Germans bayoneting babies, Iraqis dumping over babies in incubators – and we’ve got ourselves another glorious war. These days, however, over a decade of constant warfare – and a long string of War Party fabrications – has left the public leery.
And that’s cause for optimism. People are waking up. The War Party’s propaganda machine has to work overtime in order to overcome rising skepticism, and it shows signs of overheating – and, in some instances, even breaking down.
One encouraging sign is that the Ukrainian neo-Nazis have lost their US government funding …
In a blow to the “let’s arm Ukraine” movement that seemed to be picking up steam in Congress, a resolution introduced by Rep. John Conyers (D-Michigan) and Rep. Ted Yoho (R-Florida) banning aid to Ukraine’s Azov Battalion, and forbidding shipments of MANPAD anti-aircraft missiles to the region, passed the House unanimously.
This is significant because, up until this point, there has been no recognition in Washington that the supposedly “pro-democracy” regime in Kiev contains a dangerously influential neo-Nazi element.
As I reported early on, Ukraine’s ultra-nationalists – who openly utilize wartime Nazi symbols and regalia, and valorize Stepan Bandera, the anti-Soviet guerrilla leader who collaborated with the Third Reich – were the muscle behind the movement that pushed democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovich out of power. With the rebellion in the east, the paramilitary militias of the far right have been officially incorporated into the Ukrainian army: Dmytro Yorash, the leader of Right Sector and a member of parliament, is an aide to Viktor Muzhenko, the supreme commander of the Ukrainian military, and Right Sector – an openly neo-Nazi organization – has been officially integrated into the armed forces.
The Conyers-Yoho amendment won’t stop Ukraine’s neo-Nazis from feeding at the US-provided trough, but, hey, it’s the thought that counts. They’ll just abandon their independent existence and blend into the official military, effectively going underground, just as they did in the last Ukrainian elections, where fascists like Yarosh won a seat in the parliament with the tacit support of the “mainstream” parties, which withdrew their candidates in his district: Adriy Biletsky, commander of the Azov Battalion, enjoyed a similar advantage. Open fascists hold prominent positions in the Ukrainian government, the military, and the police.
Vadim Troyan, the deputy leader of the Azov Battalion, is now the regional chief of the Kiev district police, and fascists have the run of the city. The perpetrators of an arson fire at a Kiev theater that sponsored a gay film festival were charged with “disturbing the peace” and let off with a light sentence – and the theater was held responsible for not providing enough security! "I think the government prosecutor and those who are prosecuted are playing for the same team," says one activist, and this is quite true: the fascists permeate the Kiev regime from top to bottom. When gay activists announced a Gay Pride march, the Mayor of Kiev said he couldn’t – or wouldn’t – guarantee their safety and asked them to cancel it. What was an open invitation to violent thugs was accepted when dozens of Right Sector stormtroopers attacked the procession, which ended the event after thirty bloody minutes.
As the Kiev regime shows its true colors, its most fervent backers are forced to acknowledge its shortcomings. Yes, even our UN Ambassador, Samantha “responsibility to protect” Power …
In a recent speech delivered in Kiev, Ambassador Power made oblique reference to the embarrassing slip ups on the part of our sock puppets in Kiev, gently scolding them to be more … discreet. Citing Abraham Lincoln, she urged Ukrainians to listen to “the better angels of our nature,” and averred that “Ukraine is stronger” when it does so:
“It means that Ukraine should zealously protect freedom of the press, including for its most outspoken and biased critics – indeed, especially for its most outspoken and biased critics – even as the so-called separatists expel journalists from the territory they control, and even as Russia shutters Tatar media outlets in occupied Crimea. It means that politicians and police across the country should recognize how crucial it is that people be able to march to demand respect for LGBT rights and the rights of other vulnerable groups without fear of being attacked.”
Citing Lincoln while calling for press freedom is a bit problematic – Abe shut down “treasonous” newspapers and jailed his more vociferous critics, but, hey, Power probably figured the Ukrainians aren’t up on the details of Civil War history, so what the heck. As the US continues to pump money – and weaponry – into the country, they’ll listen politely to Power’s lectures, and laugh all the way to the bank.
Amid all the publicity given to ISIS and the rise of its “caliphate,” the volatile condition of the Balkans has remained in the shadows. Yet the US, while sending only a few hundred “advisors” to Iraq, is sending a huge shipment of tanks and other heavy weaponry to nearly every country in Eastern Europe – enough to equip 5,000 American troops.
Ostensibly proposed in response to a nonexistent Russian “threat” to invade its Baltic neighbors, and/or Ukraine, this represents a significant escalation of the new cold war. And if the tanks are already on the ground, you can bet the troops won’t be long in coming. As NATO James Stavridis put it: “It provides a reasonable level of reassurance to jittery allies, although nothing is as good as troops stationed full-time on the ground, of course.”
And we aren’t just talking about troops here: the Pentagon is also considering stationing nuclear missiles alongside them.
The US is playing a dangerous game of nuclear brinkmanship. Robert Scher, undersecretary of defense, has even floated the idea of a nuclear first strike against Russia. Claiming that Russia has violated the INF Treaty by testing a banned ground-launched cruise missile, Scher laid out possible options in testimony before Congress:
“Robert Scher, assistant secretary of defence for strategy, plans and capabilities, told politicians in April that one option could be to beef up defenses of potential targets of the Russian cruise missile.
“A second option could ‘look at how we could go about and actually attack that missile where it is in Russia,’ Scher said.
“And a third option would be ‘to look at what things we can hold at risk within Russia itself,’ Scher said.
“His comments appeared to signal employing forces to strike at other Russian military targets — apart from the missiles that allegedly violate the INF accord.
“Brian McKeon, deputy undersecretary of defense for policy, told politicians in December that the United States could consider putting ground-launched cruise missiles in Europe. Such weapons are banned under the INF treaty.”
Yes, that’s how crazy the warlords of Washington are: in their demented calculus, nuclear war is just another “option.”
And if that isn’t the definitive argument for regime-change in Washington, then I don’t know what is.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/06/14/nuke-russia/
The warlords of Washington haven’t ruled it out
by Justin Raimondo, June 15, 2015
The War Party is a veritable propaganda machine, churning out product 24/7. Armed with nearly unlimited resources, both from government(s) and the private sector, they carpet-bomb the public with an endless stream of lies in order to soften them up when it’s time to roll. In the past, their job has been relatively easy: simply order up a few atrocity stories – Germans bayoneting babies, Iraqis dumping over babies in incubators – and we’ve got ourselves another glorious war. These days, however, over a decade of constant warfare – and a long string of War Party fabrications – has left the public leery.
And that’s cause for optimism. People are waking up. The War Party’s propaganda machine has to work overtime in order to overcome rising skepticism, and it shows signs of overheating – and, in some instances, even breaking down.
One encouraging sign is that the Ukrainian neo-Nazis have lost their US government funding …
In a blow to the “let’s arm Ukraine” movement that seemed to be picking up steam in Congress, a resolution introduced by Rep. John Conyers (D-Michigan) and Rep. Ted Yoho (R-Florida) banning aid to Ukraine’s Azov Battalion, and forbidding shipments of MANPAD anti-aircraft missiles to the region, passed the House unanimously.
This is significant because, up until this point, there has been no recognition in Washington that the supposedly “pro-democracy” regime in Kiev contains a dangerously influential neo-Nazi element.
As I reported early on, Ukraine’s ultra-nationalists – who openly utilize wartime Nazi symbols and regalia, and valorize Stepan Bandera, the anti-Soviet guerrilla leader who collaborated with the Third Reich – were the muscle behind the movement that pushed democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovich out of power. With the rebellion in the east, the paramilitary militias of the far right have been officially incorporated into the Ukrainian army: Dmytro Yorash, the leader of Right Sector and a member of parliament, is an aide to Viktor Muzhenko, the supreme commander of the Ukrainian military, and Right Sector – an openly neo-Nazi organization – has been officially integrated into the armed forces.
The Conyers-Yoho amendment won’t stop Ukraine’s neo-Nazis from feeding at the US-provided trough, but, hey, it’s the thought that counts. They’ll just abandon their independent existence and blend into the official military, effectively going underground, just as they did in the last Ukrainian elections, where fascists like Yarosh won a seat in the parliament with the tacit support of the “mainstream” parties, which withdrew their candidates in his district: Adriy Biletsky, commander of the Azov Battalion, enjoyed a similar advantage. Open fascists hold prominent positions in the Ukrainian government, the military, and the police.
Vadim Troyan, the deputy leader of the Azov Battalion, is now the regional chief of the Kiev district police, and fascists have the run of the city. The perpetrators of an arson fire at a Kiev theater that sponsored a gay film festival were charged with “disturbing the peace” and let off with a light sentence – and the theater was held responsible for not providing enough security! "I think the government prosecutor and those who are prosecuted are playing for the same team," says one activist, and this is quite true: the fascists permeate the Kiev regime from top to bottom. When gay activists announced a Gay Pride march, the Mayor of Kiev said he couldn’t – or wouldn’t – guarantee their safety and asked them to cancel it. What was an open invitation to violent thugs was accepted when dozens of Right Sector stormtroopers attacked the procession, which ended the event after thirty bloody minutes.
As the Kiev regime shows its true colors, its most fervent backers are forced to acknowledge its shortcomings. Yes, even our UN Ambassador, Samantha “responsibility to protect” Power …
In a recent speech delivered in Kiev, Ambassador Power made oblique reference to the embarrassing slip ups on the part of our sock puppets in Kiev, gently scolding them to be more … discreet. Citing Abraham Lincoln, she urged Ukrainians to listen to “the better angels of our nature,” and averred that “Ukraine is stronger” when it does so:
“It means that Ukraine should zealously protect freedom of the press, including for its most outspoken and biased critics – indeed, especially for its most outspoken and biased critics – even as the so-called separatists expel journalists from the territory they control, and even as Russia shutters Tatar media outlets in occupied Crimea. It means that politicians and police across the country should recognize how crucial it is that people be able to march to demand respect for LGBT rights and the rights of other vulnerable groups without fear of being attacked.”
Citing Lincoln while calling for press freedom is a bit problematic – Abe shut down “treasonous” newspapers and jailed his more vociferous critics, but, hey, Power probably figured the Ukrainians aren’t up on the details of Civil War history, so what the heck. As the US continues to pump money – and weaponry – into the country, they’ll listen politely to Power’s lectures, and laugh all the way to the bank.
Amid all the publicity given to ISIS and the rise of its “caliphate,” the volatile condition of the Balkans has remained in the shadows. Yet the US, while sending only a few hundred “advisors” to Iraq, is sending a huge shipment of tanks and other heavy weaponry to nearly every country in Eastern Europe – enough to equip 5,000 American troops.
Ostensibly proposed in response to a nonexistent Russian “threat” to invade its Baltic neighbors, and/or Ukraine, this represents a significant escalation of the new cold war. And if the tanks are already on the ground, you can bet the troops won’t be long in coming. As NATO James Stavridis put it: “It provides a reasonable level of reassurance to jittery allies, although nothing is as good as troops stationed full-time on the ground, of course.”
And we aren’t just talking about troops here: the Pentagon is also considering stationing nuclear missiles alongside them.
The US is playing a dangerous game of nuclear brinkmanship. Robert Scher, undersecretary of defense, has even floated the idea of a nuclear first strike against Russia. Claiming that Russia has violated the INF Treaty by testing a banned ground-launched cruise missile, Scher laid out possible options in testimony before Congress:
“Robert Scher, assistant secretary of defence for strategy, plans and capabilities, told politicians in April that one option could be to beef up defenses of potential targets of the Russian cruise missile.
“A second option could ‘look at how we could go about and actually attack that missile where it is in Russia,’ Scher said.
“And a third option would be ‘to look at what things we can hold at risk within Russia itself,’ Scher said.
“His comments appeared to signal employing forces to strike at other Russian military targets — apart from the missiles that allegedly violate the INF accord.
“Brian McKeon, deputy undersecretary of defense for policy, told politicians in December that the United States could consider putting ground-launched cruise missiles in Europe. Such weapons are banned under the INF treaty.”
Yes, that’s how crazy the warlords of Washington are: in their demented calculus, nuclear war is just another “option.”
And if that isn’t the definitive argument for regime-change in Washington, then I don’t know what is.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/06/14/nuke-russia/
So, I wonder how the Volkssturm is going. Any offensive in the works? I guess it takes tons of time time to make forces barely usable for digging defensive ditches and populating them capable of offensive operations. U.S. trainers have been teaching those nazi wankers in the national guard how to operate AK-47´s and RPG´s since April, imagine that. Maybe there´ll be some fresh cauldron news in the summer or they´ll just continue shelling from afar. But for how long can that continue. At some point even total mob tools like the United Nations must be forced to take measures against prolonged shelling of civilians and other collective punishments by those Kiev fascists.
I can give an update there. They are testing the patience of the republican army by increasing the intensity of shelling of the residential areas of Donetsk, as well as doing shor sabotage forays into the republic. The republican army is trying to prevent any unexpected advancement by booby-trapping any known attack routes.
A few weeks ago, Kiev stated that Human Rights are suspended on the territory of Donbass. And they were quick to follow-up with action. An oblast in Lugansk is cut off from running water for 2 weeks now, and the local reserves are running out.
More can be gleaned from the following report from Donbass, aired in the News of the Weeks with Kiseljov (who is, incidentally, under EU and US sanctions for doing honest reporting - he carries that sanctioned status as a badge of honour...)
Besieged Donbass. War correspondent Evgenij Poddubnyj reporting from the front lines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBDYBcAMt6A&list=PL6MnxjOjSRsT4rPBrGLwEt1gh3Y6z8CgP&feature=player_detailpage#t=3763
Lugansk region divided. the last bridge, partially blown up. Locals are dined right to move and visit their relatives on the Kiev-occupied territory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBDYBcAMt6A&list=PL6MnxjOjSRsT4rPBrGLwEt1gh3Y6z8CgP&feature=player_detailpage#t=4083
Water blockade. Kiev already did this inhumane act against Crimea twice, once succeeding them to rescind on the results of a referendum. Now they are depriving the people in Lugansk (Stahanov) of water. Temperatures there are 30 degrees now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBDYBcAMt6A&list=PL6MnxjOjSRsT4rPBrGLwEt1gh3Y6z8CgP&feature=player_detailpage#t=4122
Hungary is a NATO member, but I think they have
had second thoughts ever since planes employing their
airfields bombed Hungarian areas in Serbia.
had second thoughts ever since planes employing their
airfields bombed Hungarian areas in Serbia.
As far as I know, during the 1999 NATO bombing of Serbia, the Hungarians never protested the bombing of civilians in Vojvodina. Although Hungary didn't participated in the bombings directly, they provided tacit support to the NATO bombers.
However, the ethnic Hungarians in Vojvodina remained loyal to Serbia. We should remember that it was an ethnic Hungarian (Zoltán Dani), who shot down the NATO F-117 Nighthawk aircraft with a Russian-made S-125 Neva SAM system. (It was the first time ever, that a stealth aircraft was shot down).
the proposal envisaged that "a company's worth of equipment - enough for about 150 soldiers - would be stored in each of the three Baltic nations: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Enough for a company or possibly a battalion - about 750 soldiers - would be located in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and possibly Hungary."
Surprised by the mention of Hungary there. The other nations are either loyal vassals of the United States (such as Poland and Lithuania) or nations which are trying their best to become one (Bulgaria). But I have always thought that the Hungarians had self-respect and they viewed their sovereignity as something very important.
Note the "possibly".
Hungary is a NATO member, but I think they have
had second thoughts ever since planes employing their
airfields bombed Hungarian areas in Serbia.
The "New York Times" has reported that the Pentagon is "poised" to station heavy weapons for up to 5,000 US troops in several Eastern European countries. The move would escalate tension with Russia. ...
Eastern European countries means the quartet of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. These are the most rabid Russophobe nations in the European continent. No other self-respecting and sovereign nation would allow all these foreign troops to their territory. Well... if the presence of the American troops would prevent the Poles from shitting on their pants, then so be it.
Yep. "proposal" "poised". Seems pretty vague so far.
the proposal envisaged that "a company's worth of equipment - enough for about 150 soldiers - would be stored in each of the three Baltic nations: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Enough for a company or possibly a battalion - about 750 soldiers - would be located in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and possibly Hungary."
Just saying boo isn´t going to scare a bear. Got to make lots of noise especially before you even see it.
the proposal envisaged that "a company's worth of equipment - enough for about 150 soldiers - would be stored in each of the three Baltic nations: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Enough for a company or possibly a battalion - about 750 soldiers - would be located in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and possibly Hungary."
Surprised by the mention of Hungary there. The other nations are either loyal vassals of the United States (such as Poland and Lithuania) or nations which are trying their best to become one (Bulgaria). But I have always thought that the Hungarians had self-respect and they viewed their sovereignity as something very important.
The "New York Times" has reported that the Pentagon is "poised" to station heavy weapons for up to 5,000 US troops in several Eastern European countries. The move would escalate tension with Russia. ...
Eastern European countries means the quartet of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. These are the most rabid Russophobe nations in the European continent. No other self-respecting and sovereign nation would allow all these foreign troops to their territory. Well... if the presence of the American troops would prevent the Poles from shitting on their pants, then so be it.
Yep. "proposal" "poised". Seems pretty vague so far.
the proposal envisaged that "a company's worth of equipment - enough for about 150 soldiers - would be stored in each of the three Baltic nations: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Enough for a company or possibly a battalion - about 750 soldiers - would be located in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and possibly Hungary."
Just saying boo isn´t going to scare a bear. Got to make lots of noise especially before you even see it.
The "New York Times" has reported that the Pentagon is "poised" to station heavy weapons for up to 5,000 US troops in several Eastern European countries. The move would escalate tension with Russia. ...
Eastern European countries means the quartet of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. These are the most rabid Russophobe nations in the European continent. No other self-respecting and sovereign nation would allow all these foreign troops to their territory. Well... if the presence of the American troops would prevent the Poles from shitting on their pants, then so be it.
Minor stuff, but could be the the beginning of something much bigger...
Pentagon 'poised to send heavy weapons, troops to Eastern Europe'
The "New York Times" has reported that the Pentagon is "poised" to station heavy weapons for up to 5,000 US troops in several Eastern European countries. The move would escalate tension with Russia. ...
http://www.dw.de/pentagon-poised-to-send-heavy-weapons-troops-to-eastern-europe/a-18516115
Pentagon 'poised to send heavy weapons, troops to Eastern Europe'
The "New York Times" has reported that the Pentagon is "poised" to station heavy weapons for up to 5,000 US troops in several Eastern European countries. The move would escalate tension with Russia. ...
http://www.dw.de/pentagon-poised-to-send-heavy-weapons-troops-to-eastern-europe/a-18516115
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