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Nikolai Starikov - Why Putin doesn't recognize Donetsk and Lugansk republics

Starikov here gives some good insights into modern Russian geopolitical thinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd1_o9pyehE

Before we talk about what's going to happen, I suggest we agree that feelings don't factor into this. Because we're going to talk about serious matters and emotions will only be a hindrance.
Let me take a pen to draw some things... So, what have our geopolitical opponents been doing for many centuries? They have a specific routine, check this:
India, year 1949. Our British "parthners", due to USSR winning WWII, are getting pushed out of the country.
Yes, the Indian people were clamoring for independence, but they could keep clamoring for another century if not for Soviet tanks in Berlin - and, more importantly, Soviet tanks in nearby Korea.
So in this situation, England and other colonial powers had to also show they're for freedom and equality, so they had to free India
So what do they do? They divide India into two parts. They create Pakistan. For those who don't know, Pakistan never existed before, it's an artificial state
The very name "Pakistan" was made up by Indian college students - in London, of course. The country was torn in half according to religious affiliation:
Hindus go to "India", Muslims go to "Pakistan". So, people get displaced, national tragedy...
What was actually done? India [broke free] - they created anti-India. And called it Pakistan. So when they lose control over a country, they make a counterbalance.
And then, simply sic them on each other, support terrorist organizations, and so on. Pakistan it a hotbed of [Islamic terrorism] even now, India has local terrorists and separatists as well...
I'll point this out again: When a land slips from their control, they make a counterbalance. India - anti-India.
Same year, 1949, China is gripped by a three-year civil war. In 1945, Japanese were kicked out, they talked for a year, and started fighting.
USSR supports Chairman Mao, USA supports Chiang Kai-Shek. Mao wins. What do the Americans do?
They make anti-China. They evacuate remainder of Chiang Kai-Shek's men, shield them with their navy, and create Taiwan... On the island of Fomosa. China - anti-China.
There are plenty of other very similar examples, I won't get into them now... Russia, 2011 elections. What did they do?
Navalny, Bolotnaya protests, "white bands" everywhere, discord in all political parties - Russia is on the verge of a coup...
The whole thing ended positively - Putin [was democratically elected] president. They lost the influence over Russia. What do they do? They make anti-Russia.
Where? In Ukraine. As soon as Putin became president, as soon as they realized they can't destabilize the country from within, they started making anti-Russia in Ukraine.
But, you know, they use "free market" principles. Controlled by them, yes, but still "free". So they were planning use the [Ukrainian] elections in 2015 and make them "free"
But, you know we forced their hand, Yanukovich refused to sign Euroassociation, so they had to go with the bloody, illegal coup instead - to blame Russia for it,  and create anti-Russia
So what are the prospects? Same as everywhere else. They make a counterbalance, give it money, weapons, and eventually - force it to attack
So, after the coup they started preparing Ukraine for a war with Russia. Is it weaker? Of course. But it's not a small state, it has over 40 million population!
If USA arm and indoctrinate them enough, it could work very well. And it's important to understand that they don't need Ukraine to win, they just need the war to happen.
The more Russians and Ukrainians eliminate each other - the better for Americans, so that's what they want.
What can Russia do? In Ukraine, forces appear that do not want this scenario to happen - DPR and LPR.
But they appeared on their own - that's important. We support them, however, because while they exist they prevent Ukraine [from attacking Russia].
While the people of Donbass are fighting to change the course of Ukraine, it can not turn to attack Russia.
they even, according to some Orwellian logic, buy [discounted] coal and electricity from the "invaders".
Can you imagine USSR buying Ruhr coal from Hitler during the war? Of course not.
So, let's sum this up - without emotions. If we don't counteract the American plans of creating anti-Russia from Ukraine, they're certainly sic it on Russia.
Together with the ISIS advance through Central Asia, we'd have on two fronts, the same way we were set up in 1930s - Japan advancing through Mongolia, and Hitler through Poland
By the way, for a long while Poland was supposed to be his ally on the path to Moscow - but then plans changed, so to speak
So, if we betray DPR/LPR, if they are destroyed militarily - the American plan will be brought into action
The fall of Donetsk and Lugansk would mean Russia is next, within 5 years or so. Direct attack, or some sort of border conflict. They have the perfect excuse - "Give back Crimea, [damn its population]!"
And the West will support this excuse. So, Russia's [geopolitical] interests, even without considering our nation's moral obligations - supporting our brothers, the oppressed, etc, -
without emotions, purely pragmatically, Russia can't throw Donetsk and Lugansk to the wolves for these reasons.
Now, another very important question: Can Russia officially recognize these territories?
If we do, the [Anti-Russia] scenario will be put into action: Ukraine will say - they are now separate states, we will deal with them later, first we have to deal with their masters in Russia and take back Crimea!
So, when DPR and LPR separate from Ukraine, this whole American scenario becomes viable again.
So, even if this opinion is unpopular, in the common interest of Russian world [all Slavic countries] , DPR and LPR have to stay part of Ukraine.
They are holding Ukraine back from being dragged into a war with Russia.
This is where our foreign minister's declarations about Ukraine's territorial integrity stem from, this is why we keep trying to get them to settle things by negotiation...
Because Americans aren't doing that great financially, either. We have to support Donetsk and Lugansk - that's 2-3 million people, and they have to support the rest of Ukraine - that's 40 million.
So, those that understand the rules of this game know what has to be done, and the hotheads among our patriots do not.
That is the difference between a commander on the ground, who has to take a specific objective, and the general in charge, who has to win the war as a whole, not focus on one spot.
Currently, D/LPR are fighting not just for their interests - they are fighting for the lives of 40 million Ukrainians who, if D/LPR lose, would be sent to fight Russia and die by the hundreds of thousands, even millions.
So Donetsk and Lugansk are protecting the Russian world as a whole - both Ukraine and Russia. So we can never "betray" them [and let them be defeated] - that would be the same as betraying ourselves.
Just like denying Crimea the right to reunification would be [betraying ourselves] - it would lead to riots in Moscow within a couple months.
So, when you try to understand geopolitical actions - don't judge based on emotions.
President of Belarus flies to Kiev - no emotions, calculate why. He says something about the dollar - same.  If you try to understand what's going on in D/LPR based on emotions, you won't be able to.

Sounds good. The only muslims the mob allies with is crap in its own image and about just as insane so future prospects certainly seem bright there. They´ll import their crap to the area of course but it´ll be anticipated and rooted out quickly I´m sure.

Several days ago a Dutch parent posted two images from his daughter's school workbook on his facebook page. The schoolbook is "Themes in Social Studies 1 for VMBO-KGT", VMBO standing for "preparatory middle-level vocational education", and is a school track in the Netherlands, which is similar to high school. The schoolbook is provided to VMBO students (aging approx. 15-16 y/o) during the last two years of this school track.

Part of the description of the workbook reads, "The workbook is updated on an annual basis and contains many current and diverse sources with assignments." The workbook has certainly been updated, as Russia has been painted as quite an unfriendly country, clearly in line with the ongoing Western anti-Russia propaganda.

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The second image (entitled 'How free is the world?') is that of a map that shows how free (green) or not free (red) a country is. Russia is pictured as a 'not-free country' while the U.S. and Europe in particular are illustrated as the 'most free'.

Meanwhile in Kiev, an LGBT parade has been violently interrupted by radicals supported by the Right Sector. As Kristina Rus states:

   With one hand the Ukrainian government is defending the rights and safety of sexual minorities from the radicals, while with the other hand it is arming these same radicals with heavy artillery to murder the children of ethnic minorities in Ukraine, under the unwavering support of Western "beacons of democracy and justice".

This is the kind of regime that the Netherlands, along with its Western allies, particularly its 'BFF', the U.S., supports. On May 2, 2014, the Media Relations Office of Canada wrote: "As friends, allies and partners for democracy, human rights and the rule of law, Canada and the Netherlands will continue to work closely to support the Ukrainian people as they move towards elections to establish a peaceful government that respects their democratic rights." A fascist government that promotes the killing of innocent people, and doesn't appear to care much about sexual minorities either - which supposedly is one of the things that PM Rutte finds important - is the 'peaceful' government they've helped to establish in Ukraine.

Regarding Russia devouring Ukraine, the truth is opposite to what Dutch children are being taught. As the situation escalated in Ukraine, with many thanks to the Free West in particular, Russia has tried numerous times to ease the situation and has sent many humanitarian convoys to those in need in the country, and continues to do so. In fact:

   Since August 2014, Russia has sent over 25,000 tons of humanitarian aid — mainly food products, medicine and construction materials — to the people in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, who have been suffering from a humanitarian crisis resulting from a military operation launched by Kiev authorities in Donbas in April, 2014.

This type of help appears to be seriously lacking from the West. On the contrary, they appear to be providing lethal arms to Ukraine in order to prolong the 'devouring of Ukraine'.

According to the publication, The Future of World Religions: Population Growth Projections, 2010-2050 by the Pew Research Center, Macedonia will be more than 50% Muslim by 2050 (remember that in 1999, hundreds of thousand of Muslims crossed over to Macedonia from Kosovo, and never went back). So in the near future, we can see a shift of power, from the Slavic population to the Muslim population.

Well, there should be signs of some color revolution activity along the route of that pipeline in the near future. Macedonia has been seeing some of that. Stay tuned.

The transportation fees from Turkish Stream can bring the Greek government some €1.5 billion to €2.0 billion per year. And right now, the Greeks are desperate for money. And there is a chance that Russia will be making an advance payment to the Greeks, which will enable them to pay off their debts on time, at least for the next 2-3 years.

Two weeks ago, in “Greece Breaks America’s Heart, Will Sign MOU With Russia For Gas Pipeline,” we highlighted comments from Greek Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis which indicated that Athens was prepared to sign an MOU with Russia on the Turkish Stream pipeline.

Nikolay Starikov: Estonia should pay back the money, for which Peter the Great bought it from Sweden 300 years ago

June 17, 2015

Nikolay Starikov

The Great Fatherland Party blog

Translated by Kristina Rus


Estonia presented claims for parts of Russia. The other day this Baltic country has declared its intention to unilaterally markup the border with Russia. In the temporary control zone on the border with Russian Federation it plans to install 760 pillars and 412 buoys on the water border. Estonian lawmakers cite the Treaty of Tartu of 1920, according to which Estonia has territorial claims against Russia and claims parts of Pskov region. According to the leader of the party "The Great Fatherland", Nikolay Starikov, Estonia has selective historic memory, but if you dig deeper, you find that it still belongs to Russia on legal grounds.

Nikolay Starikov:

"We are asked to respect the international law all the time. It's a great idea, and I totally agree with that. All we need is to determine from what historical moment we need to start honoring it.

In 1913, Estonia and Latvia were the acknowledged territory of the Russian Empire, which they joined under the various treaties, that no one can question. In particular, it is Nystadt Peace of 1721, concluded between Russia and Sweden, by which Peter the Great paid a few million gold talers for those lands, where the modern Estonia and part of Latvia are located.

I would like to ask, when and where our Estonian partners paid back the money we spent on the acquisition of these territories from Sweden? I am not aware of such historical facts.

After the revolution of 1917, which was a violation of law, the Bolsheviks signed a treaty and recognized the independence of Estonia. In 1920, approximately the same way Ukraine received "independence". Then in 1940, an agreement was signed with the same Estonia, and it became part of the Soviet Union. After its collapse, Estonia gained independence. But the question is, what starting date we should consider to comply with international legislation, as in 1985 the borders of the Soviet Union and the inalienability of Estonia was undisputed, exactly the same as the territory of the Russian Empire in 1913.

Because our partners constantly seek out those contracts, dates and situations that meet their interests, let's learn from them. My position is as follows: let the Estonians pay back with inflation over the past 300 years the money paid by Peter the Great, and then we will have no more questions for them."

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/nikolay-starikov-estonia-should-pay.html

Meanwhile, DPR and LPR representatives have withdrawn their amendment proposals for Ukrainian constitution and declared recognition of independence as their priority.

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https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/06/13/the-russian-forpost-drone-shot-down-in-ukraine/

With such high disapproval ratings, it will be just a matter of time before the junta is thrown out of power. The real problem facing the ordinary Ukrainians right now is that they don't have a leading opposition figure. The only real opposition party is the Oппoзициoнный блoк, but they are very unpopular in the West and Central regions. And even they lack a charismatic leader.

I guess excessively gullible idiots won´t see this in mob media or hear about it from the fruitcakes they vote for.

The mob´s mess in Ukraine is a writeoff and the mob knows it. How they´re going to scam themselves out of that mess and leave others with the bill remains to be seen.

Interesting findings. Disapproval rating for Poroshenko at 55.2%, while the same for Arseniy Yatsenyuk is at 68.3%. More importantly, 61.5% of the population supports the idea of federalization, which is being opposed tooth and nail by the junta.

Another important finding: 61.8% want to give up the territory currently controlled by the DPR and the LPR, while only 22.9% want to invade those regions.