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Everything seems to be going fine (looking for some wood to knock on)...

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Hundreds elbow their way to polls as Eastern Ukraine votes in referendum
http://rt.com/in-motion/158220-mariupol-ukraine-votes-referendum/
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No sign of Ukraine army movement into Mariupol today, as inside reports that referendum turnout could top 80%.

The pro-Donetsk side show another APC today in Mariupol, making at least 2 in their possession:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_jF350yUU
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Kiev’s troops roll through E.Ukraine in ‘bid to disrupt voting’ – self-defense forces
http://rt.com/news/158184-kiev-attack-referendum-lugansk/

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“Around 15 APCs have come near Novoaydar,” Aleksey Chmilenko said. “Our self-defense guards are trying to stop the attack and prevent the vehicles moving farther in the direction of Lugansk.”

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“In four districts – Belokurakinsky, Svatovsky, Troitsky and Melovsky – APCs of the Ukrainian National Guard do not let residents pass to the referendum polling stations,” the sources said.

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Meanwhile, the acting head of Ukraine’s presidential administration, Sergey Pashinsky, said Kiev’s military operation in the Donetsk region towns of Krasny Liman, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk was in its its final stage, adding that “a lot of separatists have been eliminated during the operation.” He would not provide any figures thought.

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Victor Manino 11.05.2014 14:18

Voting is always legal, coups never are. Americanism 101

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António 11.05.2014 14:18

The fascist groups in ukraine now part of the Ukrainian army, placed there by the puppet government of Kiev. is this even trained with weapons and NATO army that is murdering people from eastern ukraine

Mark 11.05.2014 14:21

TO:António
training and incorporating pro Bandera storm troopers into the regular army will produce immediate result: total destruction of discipline and military code of conduct in the armed forces! NATO idiots have never learned what not to do from the failure of Hitler!

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Peter Bushel 11.05.2014 14:24

It makes sense that democratic elections would not be permitted by the coup Kiev government. They don't believe in democracy so they will do anything to stop it from happening.....

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Fredrick Da Great 11.05.2014 14:33

I was watching live transmition of the ongoing referendum. Lot (and I mean it) of people in que waiting to vote despite the ongoing military assault by western forces. Such hudge participation I did not see even during the referendum in Romania to impech their president.
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Germans support Putin  Shocked Cheesy Grin
This is no joke , don't post this kind of images please Smiley. They are worse the NSFW.
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A man opened fire from traumatic gun at a voting location in Donetsk:
http://ria.ru/world/20140511/1007346560.html
Other than this and a couple of drunken debauchees, there were no provocation to disrupt the voting.

2/3 of voters have already given their votes in Lugansk region:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/375664



Kiev told that their operation in Donetsk is in its final stage:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/375661



Mass media (German Bild) told about participation ow Western mercenaries (from Academia/Blackwater) in punitive operations in the East of Ukraine:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1178108?utm_medium=rss20



About 15 APC are concentrated near village Novoajdar, trying to push to Lugansk. The defence forces are fighting them, preventing them from reaching Lugansk.
http://www.interfax.ru/world/375655



Timoshenko declares that the referendums should be put a stop to:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/375656



Ukrainian armed forces using APCs blocked delivery of voting ballots to some locations in Lugansk region:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1178293?utm_medium=rss20
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Lugansk and Donetsk regions vote for self-determination
http://rt.com/news/158160-lugansk-donetsk-referendum-vote/

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The referendum is in full swing in Ukraine's Donetsk and Lugansk regions, seeking independence from the central government. Local self-defense forces boosted security, fearing that Kiev could stage provocations to disrupt the self-determination vote.

Turnout at the referendum is exceptionally high, the head of the Central Election Commission of the self-proclaimed “Donetsk People’s Republic,” Roman Lyagin, told Interfax.

“The turnout is not just high, it’s off the charts,” Lyagin said. “People are queuing up at polling stations, and election commissions are working at full capacity.”

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ODESSA 5/02: The Untold Truth of Kulikovo Field

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cFjT-8DFmE
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Mariupol live stream. Many people vote.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsfront4
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NSA intercepted: RU mil pilots ordered to intentionally violate UKR airspace @BILDamSonntag http://www.bild.de/bild-plus/politik/ausland/wladimir-putin/hat-die-welt-belogen-35913316,view=conversionToLogin.bild.html

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 Roll Eyes

There are actually 4 parallel referendums in east #Ukraine now including one where citizens can vote to join Britain http://novosti.dn.ua/details/224701/

Da best >
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Donbass joins Dnipropetrovsk: tomorrow referendum

Пpoтивники ceпapaтизмa пpoвeдyт aльтepнaтивнyю aкцию. Mecтa для гoлocoвaний oбopyдoвaны в нecкoлькиx гopoдax и paйoнax Дoнeцкoй oблacти

Зaвтpa нa Дoнбacce cocтoитcя peфepeндyм (кoнcyльтaтивный oпpoc) o пpиcoeдинeнии Дoнeцкoй oблacти к Днeпpoпeтpoвcкoй. Cooтвeтcтвyющий aнoнc paзмecтил Кoмитeт пaтpиoтичecкиx cил Дoнбacca (КПCД).

http://news.liga.net/news/politics/1683407-donbass_prisoedinyaetsya_k_dnepropetrovshchine_zavtra_referendum.htm
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VITALY PORTNIKOV: Restoring the Soviet Union is Putin’s minimum objective, he moves on central Europe after that.



The plan is unfeasible because achieving it will be followed by the collapse of Russia, according to the Ukrainian journalist and political commentator.

Putin has a great desire to occupy all of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Belarus and other former Soviet republics, Portnikov writes in his commentary on Gordonua.com. Restoration of the Soviet Union–is the minimum program for Putin, he will carry out further aggression in central Europe. Putin’s Plan and its environs consists of several points: “First, the restoration of the Soviet Union; second, to return to the situation of the Yalta conference of 1945 when the USSR controlled the countries of Central and Eastern Europe. Third, restore Russian influence in Asia through cooperation in China,” Portnikov stated.

But Putin has not yet made a final decision, because in Moscow there is a continued confrontation between two opposing groups and the Russian President hasn’t decided on the [final] strategy, concludes the journalist.

“We need to understand that in the Kremlin there is a conflict of opinion between the conditional “hawks” and the “doves.” The “hawks” believe that Russia must achieve recognition as a superpower through any means possible, including the continuation of aggression against Ukraine. They are convinced: the Putin regime will not be subjected to any suffering by the West. The “doves” are convinced that they have to act so that there is no external or internal threat to the regime. They are very well aware that within Russia itself, the processes could now begin that will create significant economic and political difficulties for the ruling elite, that from one stone to the next in the regime will not be left unturned,” Vitaly Portnikov says.

According to Portnikov, the Kremlin’s contradictory statements reflect this struggle between the “hawks” and the “doves” precisely. Few people are able to understand the real plans of Russian President Vladimir Putin and his inner circle.

“Putin only makes it look as if he made up his mind about Ukraine a long time ago. In realty, he also has his doubts about acting in accordance with the principle of “two steps forward and one step back.” This is his psychology: Putin is not a military man, but an intelligence service operative. Such people always act very carefully, unwittingly not wanting to, they weigh the possible risks already on a subconscious level.”

Vitaly Portnikov believes that Putin is now fluctuating between the two positions. “What he chooses–a victory frenzy followed by the collapse of Russia or a victory of common sense with the possibility of saving and modernizing the state,– I don’t know. But take note: the logic of empire collapse–and Russia is exactly at this stage now, suggests that the people who are currently at the helm, are making exactly the kind of choices that facilitate the disappearance of the empire,” he announced.

Therefore, the restoration of the USSR and Russia’s further advance into Europe will not succeed, the journalist states:

“This is an unworkable plan. The ‘doves’ among the Russian leadership believe that this approach will lead to the disintegration of the Russian Federation into many independent states. The ‘hawks’ sincerely believe that Russia, with its commodity-dependent economies, outdated army, and the lack of political management of the system, at the regional level can become a superpower.”

Source: Gordonua.com

http://maidantranslations.com/2014/05/11/vitaly-portnikov-restoring-the-soviet-union-is-putins-minimum-objective-he-moves-on-central-europe-after-that/
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DMITRY TYMCHUK: Russian propaganda on “peacekeeping operation”


Putin’s “peacekeepers”

By Dmitry Tymchuk, Coordinator, Information Resistance
05.10.2014 Facebook status
Translated by Andriy Berbets and edited by Alex Howard for Voices of Ukraine

According to Information Resistance data, pro-Russian extremists are conducting an intense propaganda campaign amongst the population in Luhansk and Donetsk Oblasts [regions]. Its purpose is to force citizens to take part in the so-called “referendum” to ensure the split of Ukraine.

The separatists are trying to give the impression that during the “referendum,” Russia will be able to deploy “peacekeeping forces” on the territory of Ukraine, in order to help stabilize the situation in the region, as their main argument in their attempt to convince the people.

About the fact that Russia is itself fueling the flames of civil war in Ukraine, and that the actions taken by the separatists themselves are destabilizing the situation in these regions, there is only silence.

At the same time we’d like to note that, throughout last week, the so-called Russian “expert community” (e.g. the “Gazprom” funded Moscow Strategic Culture Foundation, the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, the Center of Strategic Conjuncture etc.) began actively promoting the idea that a Russian “peacekeeping operation” is strongly needed on the territory of Ukraine.

The main premise in this case is that a “peacekeeping operation” should be conducted by Russia without any consent from the UN (United Nations), as the involvement of the UN supposedly allows the West “to seize the initiative” and to move their troops into Ukraine after receiving a UN mandate. But, as you know, Russia’s membership in the UN Security Council is absolutely unjustifiable, because this country is the aggressor, so it does not allow the UN Security Council to make any efforts in the resolution of the crisis in Ukraine, including carrying out peacekeeping operations by third parties.

Theoretically, Putin has two options to conduct a “peacekeeping operation:” to carry it out under the auspices of the SCO [Shanghai Cooperation Organization] or the CSTO [Collective Security Treaty Organization].

Currently the first option is not possible, because China, as a member of the SCO, would clearly not agree to this kind of global adventure.

What about Moscow’s pocket union, otherwise known as the CSTO? As it’s well known, Putin is currently applying increased pressure on the presidents of the satellite countries. It’s worthwhile remembering the recent military exercises of the Russian Armed Forces, where the question of the use of nuclear weapons was discussed under the personal leadership of Putin, with the presidents of Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan in attendance.

The president of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko, who has not previously supported Russian aggression against Ukraine, has suddenly and inexplicably changed his rhetoric. This change of position miraculously coincided with the message that Russia is ready to give Belarus a $2 billion loan in order to replenish its foreign exchange reserves.

However, the CSTO has no legal grounds for “peacekeeping” in Ukraine, as Ukraine is not a member of the organization. Article 3 of the Agreement on the CSTO peacekeeping operations provides that the organization can perform such activities based on their own decisions only on the territory of the CSTO member states. In the case of non-member countries of the CSTO, approval from the UN Security Council must be obtained first.

This means that any attempt by Russia to move its troops into Ukraine under any pretext, whether alone or in an “alliance” with its satellites, will mean direct military aggression against sovereign Ukraine, or rather the second stage of aggression after Crimea.

http://maidantranslations.com/2014/05/10/dmitry-tymchuk-russian-propaganda-on-peacekeeping-operation/
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In a fierce fight Ukraine National Guard successfully repulsed the ruSSian terrorist attack on the TV tower Slovyansk



http://hvylya.org/news/exclusive/v-ozhestochennom-boe-natsgvardiya-uspeshno-otbila-napadenie-terroristov-na-televyishku-v-slavyanske.html

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