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Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 4. (Read 734910 times)

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Name any other country, where the native language of the majority of the population is not awarded the status of official language.

According to official data from the 2001 Ukrainian census, the Russian language was native for over 14,273,000 Ukrainian citizens (29.3% of the total population). Since then this number declined. So it's minority language. All the minority languages (including Russian) are explicitly protected under article 10 of the Ukrainian Constitution.
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More than 70% of soldiers in ukrainian army right now are from eastern Ukraine and most part of them speak russian, their native language. Avakov, current ukrainian minister of internal affairs, speaks russian (his native language) on TV freely. These soldiers who fight for Ukraine speak russian as well as anchorman on ukrainain TV channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB0-ITbzCko
https://youtu.be/CuttRm1Wg8c?t=22

So, it's not about language, man. Think about it.



Ukraine uses Russian-speaking soldiers from the East, because they need them as cannon fodder. The Western Ukrainians have avoided the forcible conscription by migrating to Poland and Hungary.

It's not true. The number of eastern ukrainians in ukrainian army correlates to the population of these regions. Soldiers on that tv story speak russian and don't look oppressed. If they were oppressed they could easily escape and join other side, but they didn't.
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More than 70% of soldiers in ukrainian army right now are from eastern Ukraine and most part of them speak russian, their native language. Avakov, current ukrainian minister of internal affairs, speaks russian (his native language) on TV freely. These soldiers who fight for Ukraine speak russian as well as anchorman on ukrainain TV channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB0-ITbzCko
https://youtu.be/CuttRm1Wg8c?t=22

So, it's not about language, man. Think about it.



Ukraine uses Russian-speaking soldiers from the East, because they need them as cannon fodder. The Western Ukrainians have avoided the forcible conscription by migrating to Poland and Hungary. Name any other country, where the native language of the majority of the population is not awarded the status of official language.
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There are 20 million plus Eastern Ukrainians (excluding the residents of Crimea), and only around 2 million of them are living in the DPR/LPR. The remaining are living under the Kiev junta, without any right to use their native language. The situation in Syria is much better. 90% of the Kurds are living under Kurdish administration.

More than 70% of soldiers in ukrainian army right now are from eastern Ukraine and most part of them speak russian, their native language. Avakov, current ukrainian minister of internal affairs, speaks russian (his native language) on TV freely. These soldiers who fight for Ukraine speak russian as well as anchorman on ukrainain TV channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB0-ITbzCko
https://youtu.be/CuttRm1Wg8c?t=22

So, it's not about language, man. Think about it.

legendary
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Why are the western Ukrainians and Crimean allowed to self determination and not the Kurds and not the people of Syria?

Western Ukrainians? As far as I know, the people living in Lvov and Ternopol are quite satisfied with the Banderist junta which is ruling Ukraine right now, and they don't want any autonomy or special powers. Are you referring to the Hungarians of Trans-Carpathia? And Syria is an altogether different topic, and I am not going to respond to it.

I wanted to say eastern Ukrainian. Why don't you want to respond to that?

There are 20 million plus Eastern Ukrainians (excluding the residents of Crimea), and only around 2 million of them are living in the DPR/LPR. The remaining are living under the Kiev junta, without any right to use their native language. The situation in Syria is much better. 90% of the Kurds are living under Kurdish administration.
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Why are the western Ukrainians and Crimean allowed to self determination and not the Kurds and not the people of Syria?

Western Ukrainians? As far as I know, the people living in Lvov and Ternopol are quite satisfied with the Banderist junta which is ruling Ukraine right now, and they don't want any autonomy or special powers. Are you referring to the Hungarians of Trans-Carpathia? And Syria is an altogether different topic, and I am not going to respond to it.

I wanted to say eastern Ukrainian. Why don't you want to respond to that?

Ps it was easy to understand the meaning of my point, having put it with the crimeans.

Ps2 thank you for your consideration and regards.
legendary
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Why are the western Ukrainians and Crimean allowed to self determination and not the Kurds and not the people of Syria?

Western Ukrainians? As far as I know, the people living in Lvov and Ternopol are quite satisfied with the Banderist junta which is ruling Ukraine right now, and they don't want any autonomy or special powers. Are you referring to the Hungarians of Trans-Carpathia? And Syria is an altogether different topic, and I am not going to respond to it.
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Why are the western Ukrainians and Crimean allowed to self determination and not the Kurds and not the people of Syria?
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Breaking! Plotnitsky assassination attempt: Head of Lugansk Republic’s car bombed

Videos at:

https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2016/08/07/breaking-head-of-lugansk-republic-plotnitskys-car-bombed/

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English translation:

Head of Lugansk People’s Republic (LNR) Igor Plotnitsky’s has been hospitalized with multiple wounds after an assassination attempt. A powerful explosion took place next to his car at the intersection of Karpinsky and Vatutin streets. Several witnesses also received injuries.

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Interview with Head of Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Zakharchenko LINK. He says he just visited Plotnitsky in the hospital and that wounds aren’t life threatening: ‘Plotnitsky is tough, like all Donbass people, he’ll make it.’ Zakharchenko said that their intel showed for a while that attempts on both of their lives were being prepared by Kiev. He added that there won’t be Minsk 3 and that this is the end of negotiations.

LNR security services spokeswoman: a Kiev terrorist group is suspect in the plot to assassinate Plotnitsky – LINK.

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While Europe discusses Brexit and how it will affect everyone, Ukraine is wanting in:
http://svpressa.ru/politic/article/151345/
Rada deputy Gopko said: "Britain is exiting, Ukraine is entering. To save Europe as a continent. Berlin must act swiftly: having lost Britain, EU must acquire Ukraine." Se also said that "The world is changing. If we don't consolidate, we (Ukraine) will be forgotten."
This guy is taking drugs. The economy of Ukraine is not similar to the economy of the UK.

Why there is word "fashists", if the Ethnic cleansing is made by Jew-Bandera war criminals?
War criminals in Ukraine and Novo Russia should be punished.


What are you really trying to say, that he is a Dumbass to be talking about Donbass this way?

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While Europe discusses Brexit and how it will affect everyone, Ukraine is wanting in:
http://svpressa.ru/politic/article/151345/
Rada deputy Gopko said: "Britain is exiting, Ukraine is entering. To save Europe as a continent. Berlin must act swiftly: having lost Britain, EU must acquire Ukraine." Se also said that "The world is changing. If we don't consolidate, we (Ukraine) will be forgotten."
This guy is taking drugs. The economy of Ukraine is not similar to the economy of the UK.

Why there is word "fashists", if the Ethnic cleansing is made by Jew-Bandera war criminals?
War criminals in Ukraine and Novo Russia should be punished.
legendary
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Last Hope for Ukraine: All-Ukrainian Orthodox March for Peace in Donbass Culminates in Kiev
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2016/07/28/last-hope-for-ukraine-all-ukrainian-orthodox-march-for-peace-in-donbass-culminates-in-kiev/



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the All-Ukrainian Russian Orthodox March for Peace in Donbass started on July 3, one in the east (Donbass), another in the west (Ternopol) of Ukraine. Both marched on foot to Kiev, where they converged and joined forces.

The name for this unique event, which on a smaller scale regularly takes place for special occasions in Russian Orthodox churches, is Кpecтный xoд (Krestniy Khod). However, the size and scope of this particular happening is unprecedented.

Some incorrectly translate Кpecтный xoд to English as ‘a crusade.’ In reality, the right translation would be a ‘peaceful pilgrimage’ with the elements of a ‘march.’  The purpose of such event is multi-prong: to atone for personal and collective sins of humans; to ask for forgiveness and seek god’s and Divine Mother’s protection; to declare the desire for unity and peace.

Technically, initially – some time in 9th-10th century or so – a Catholic ‘crusade’ did signify the same as Кpecтный xoд. However, the meaning of a crusade was irreparably tarnished as a result of aggressive Crusades by violent Western/Catholic knights against Jerusalem, Constantinople, Middle East and Russia with the expressed purpose of looting and conquest. Therefore, the word ‘crusade’ acquired a decidedly negative and derogatory connotation.

A reader asked me if these were two separate branches of Orthodox Church that wanted to show their unity by converging in Kiev. No, this is the same Russian Orthodox Church: its Ukrainian branch. This march united all those in Ukraine who belong to the Russian Orthodox Church, with Patriarchy in Moscow. This is the dominant religion in Ukraine.

However, there is a breakaway branch of ‘Ukrainian Orthodox Church,’ unrecognized by other Orthodox Churches and world religions. There is also a very confusing ‘Greek-Catholic’ Church, primarily in Western Ukraine, where the Vatican penetrated when those territories belonged to Poland and Austria-Hungary. The latter is essentially Catholicism with some Orthodox stuff thrown in to camouflage its real essence. Both of these have been thriving and greatly expanding since 2014 Kiev coup. They both support the ‘right sector’ and Bandera ukro-nazis; both are Russophobic. Neither of these two were a party to this All-Ukrainian march.

There is a big problem in Ukraine with these two breakaway (shall we call them separatist?) religions: using nationalists and ukro-nazis, they attack regular Orthodox churches and monasteries, beat up, kill or expel Batyushkas (priests), threaten congregations and take over such churches for themselves. The problem is being silenced or quietly supported by Poroshenko and his junta. Russian State and the Russian Church have been trying to appeal to Catholic and other religions, as well as to Western leaders to help restore justice. The West – as usual – is silent.

There were many threats against this All-Ukraine March for Peace, and not only from ukro-nazis, but also from Ukraine government officials. Ukraine’s minister of interior Arsen Avakov and his advisor Gerashchenko posted threats against march participants on their Facebook pages; recommendations to attack and kill the marchers sounded from some Ukraine parliament deputies. Rotten eggs were thrown, fake bombs were set up on the way. Odessa pilgrims were threatened to be BURNED ALIVE inside buses they were boarding to get to Kiev (recall Odessa May 2, 2014 Kulikovo Polie tragedy when people were burned alive)! Attempts to intimidate pilgrims, disrupt the march and block it from entering Kiev were made by ukro-nazis from fascist OUN/UPA.

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While the dark forces that took over Ukraine ran to their Mediterranean villas or hid in their holes, an extraordinary situation took place in Kiev as one hundred thousand people joined the march through its streets. Previously, ten thousand joined the march when it traveled through Kharkov, and thousands joined it in every town and city it passed. In every town, including Kiev, volunteers cooked free meals and prepared tea for pilgrims. Kiev, for the first time since the bloody February 2014 coup, turned into a city of peace and unity. Observers noted that the energy during the march was incredibly high. And they are absolutely right.

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Read the full article and view more photos at: https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2016/07/28/last-hope-for-ukraine-all-ukrainian-orthodox-march-for-peace-in-donbass-culminates-in-kiev/
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Why there is word "fashists", if the Ethnic cleansing is made by Jew-Bandera war criminals?

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Crimes against Humanity: Ukraine President Poroshenko Keeps his Word: “We’ve Bombed the Schools”, Donbass Children Don’t go to School
http://www.globalresearch.ca/crimes-against-humanity-ukraine-president-poroshenko-keeps-his-word-weve-bombed-the-schools-donbass-children-dont-go-to-school/5439926

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This article by investigative reporter Olga Luzanova provides photographic and video evidence of the impacts of Kiev regime bombings directed against residential areas and schools in Donbass.

Civilians have been deliberately targeted.  

These war crimes have  been ignored by the mainstream media. They been not been acknowledged by  the UN Human Rights Commission.

The fundamental rights of children have been blatantly violated by the US sponsored Kiev regime in derogation of international law.  

(M. Ch. GR Editor)

Photos and video footage by Olga Luzanova

We recall that last October, President Petro Poroshenko contrasted the prospects for Ukrainians with those of the people from the Donbass region during a speech in Odessa. In particular, the President promised:

    “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens, while theirs will be holed up in basements!”

Thus far, the Ukrainian government has been doing its best to keep its word. Here is one of the children sitting in a basement in accordance with the Ukrainian President’s will.

Photos and video footage by Olga Luzanova

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Some of the images from that article:




The school had not a single window left intact on the side facing towards Debaltsevo. Evidently, it had not been random fire—we could see that all the strikes on the school were direct hits.
legendary
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While Europe discusses Brexit and how it will affect everyone, Ukraine is wanting in:
http://svpressa.ru/politic/article/151345/
Rada deputy Gopko said: "Britain is exiting, Ukraine is entering. To save Europe as a continent. Berlin must act swiftly: having lost Britain, EU must acquire Ukraine." Se also said that "The world is changing. If we don't consolidate, we (Ukraine) will be forgotten."

Meanwhile in the East, Ukraine continues shelling civilians.



Two civilians (a man and a woman) are wounded during tonight's shelling of Gorlovka by the Ukrainian forces:
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/3402640
In all Ukrainians 289 shells of 82mm and 120mm calibre. They were using mortars, guided anti-tank rockets, APC cannons and small arms.

Meanwhile, DNR's army intelligence reports that there are more frequent cases of shooting between Ukrainian forces and the assorted Nazi battalions:
http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/151323/
They also report that Ukros often move out into the pockets of the front-line (which is not a strait line) and shoot as if fire is coming from DNR (creating provoctions)
legendary
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Poroshenko promised the NaziGuard a "baptism by fire" in Donbass:
http://ren.tv/node/104789

He is quoted as saying: "We are actively working on a possibility for the fighters of the National Guard would get battle experience, so that they would learn what it feels like to be on the front line, and not to bow down to the bullets."
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"Ukraine" simply have to be divided between Poland and Russia, and the problem of quasi-state "Ukraine" will be solved

That is the only real solution. And I believe that is what going to happen in the near future. The Easterners and the Westerners are diametrically opposed to each other. Their language, religion, culture, politics... everything is different. You can't keep them united. Similar experiments resulted in disaster in the former Yugoslavia.

Tensions reduction in western Russian front + land expansion + No sanction in exchange of bashar head + No more Russian bullshit in the Middle East + no more nuke exportation.

In short Russia accept the hyper power status of the USA, usa accept that Russia is forever in its border (like hilarious would say what would it change Crimea + new western Russia (0.01% of Russian territory) peaceful and let alone... In the sense nato retreat from border states (the Estonian and others micro state will shut the fuck up or be ganged by a USA Russian)

That is never going to happen. Russia is not going to sacrifice Bashar al Assad (along with their naval base in Tartus), and the Americans are never ever going to pull back from the Baltics. It is not just about the military base... if the GCC gains control of Syria, then they will be able to construct a gas pipeline to the EU, thereby bankrupting Gazprom.

Okay so the new pipe line gcc - Saudi - Egypt - lybia - Italy gaz, oil, fiber optics, and electricity >> Gasprom bankrupted and North Africa sealed from Shanghai interferences

The problem of your scenario is that tension in the European - Russian - middle eastern area stay high reducing investment for the benefit of America Africa and Asia without speaking of an incident who could trigger a domino fall.
legendary
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"Ukraine" simply have to be divided between Poland and Russia, and the problem of quasi-state "Ukraine" will be solved

That is the only real solution. And I believe that is what going to happen in the near future. The Easterners and the Westerners are diametrically opposed to each other. Their language, religion, culture, politics... everything is different. You can't keep them united. Similar experiments resulted in disaster in the former Yugoslavia.

Tensions reduction in western Russian front + land expansion + No sanction in exchange of bashar head + No more Russian bullshit in the Middle East + no more nuke exportation.

In short Russia accept the hyper power status of the USA, usa accept that Russia is forever in its border (like hilarious would say what would it change Crimea + new western Russia (0.01% of Russian territory) peaceful and let alone... In the sense nato retreat from border states (the Estonian and others micro state will shut the fuck up or be ganged by a USA Russian)

That is never going to happen. Russia is not going to sacrifice Bashar al Assad (along with their naval base in Tartus), and the Americans are never ever going to pull back from the Baltics. It is not just about the military base... if the GCC gains control of Syria, then they will be able to construct a gas pipeline to the EU, thereby bankrupting Gazprom.
sr. member
Activity: 560
Merit: 252
"Ukraine" simply have to be divided between Poland and Russia, and the problem of quasi-state "Ukraine" will be solved

That is the only real solution. And I believe that is what going to happen in the near future. The Easterners and the Westerners are diametrically opposed to each other. Their language, religion, culture, politics... everything is different. You can't keep them united. Similar experiments resulted in disaster in the former Yugoslavia.

Tensions reduction in western Russian front + land expansion + No sanction in exchange of bashar head + No more Russian bullshit in the Middle East + no more nuke exportation.

In short Russia accept the hyper power status of the USA, usa accept that Russia is forever in its border (like hilarious would say what would it change Crimea + new western Russia (0.01% of Russian territory) peaceful and let alone... In the sense nato retreat from border states (the Estonian and others micro state will shut the fuck up or be ganged by a USA Russian)
legendary
Activity: 3766
Merit: 1217
"Ukraine" simply have to be divided between Poland and Russia, and the problem of quasi-state "Ukraine" will be solved

That is the only real solution. And I believe that is what going to happen in the near future. The Easterners and the Westerners are diametrically opposed to each other. Their language, religion, culture, politics... everything is different. You can't keep them united. Similar experiments resulted in disaster in the former Yugoslavia.
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