Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 6. (Read 734725 times)

The Minsk agreement itself was a failure. The frontline must have been pushed back further to the west before declaring the ceasefire. Right now the line of control runs through the western suburbs of both Donetsk city and the Lugansk city, making these two population centers extremely vulnerable to grad bombardment from the Kiev Nazis.

Well, Russia does that - a large portion of those convoys are the construction material for the rebuilding.

The problem is, Kiev is still gradually intensifying the military activity, and peace is needed before any serious rebuilding can take place - otherwise you rebuild something today, and get a Grad barrage tomorrow.

I can recommend the following article by Rostislav Ishchenko. (Ukrainian politologist in exile, President of the Centre for System Analysis and Prognosis)

https://cont.ws/post/237534

It's in Russian (use Google translate).

The gist: Kiev needs an all out war to postpone the inevitable demise, and to get at least some money from the West. Small provocations fail to draw Russian response (even downing of Russian jet by Turkey didn't draw a military response - only a diplomatic one), so Kiev may go for an all-out large-scale provocation, which Russia may not be able to ignore.

Time to stop these convoys and start some productive activity in the Donbass. The Russian government should help the LNR and DNR to repair and renovate the factories and mining units. This will provide the local inhabitants with jobs and wages, and the local authorities will also benefit in the form of increase in tax revenues.

50th humanitarian aid convoy delivered to Donbass!

Video from Graham Philips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5WicrSTWRI&list=TLfiQvAd0r7KcyOTAzMjAxNg

"Donbass Seasons". (English subtitles)

Published on Jan 12, 2016
"Donbass-Seasons" is a documentary that traces the history of the war in Donbass, from the coup in Kiev to the Odessa massacre through to the start of the conflict.
The documentary contains interviews with Nicolai Lilin, Eliseo Bertolasi and Vauro Senesi, the narrating voices of the videos filmed by Eliseo Bertolasi and Sergeij Rulev.
Directed by Sara Reginella, "Donbass Seasons" shows the changing of seasons and the flow of life in a land in which life goes on, despite the suffering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC0ZcHD9NcQ

The first war criminal of the genocide in Ukraine has been convicted in court.

Savchenko has been found guilty of murder of two Russian journalists by knowingly correcting artillery fire at their position; and of illegally crossing Russian border. She was sentenced to 22 years in prison. In comparison, a Russian citizen was sentenced to 26 years in prison in USA on suspicion of weapons dealing (US side could not prove his guilt, but according to the American judicial practice of "guilty until proven innocent", he was convicted anyway)

Incidentally, the court did not take into account all the civilian Ukrainian citizens, whom Savchenko killed by correcting fire at the road. She should be glad that Russia has a moratorium on death penalty.

http://www.aif.ru/society/law/sud_prigovoril_nadezhdu_savchenko_k_22_godam_kolonii

Let us hope that other war criminals of Ukrainian conflict - Poroshenko, Obama, Yarosh, Biden, Yatsenjuk, Saakashvili, Turchnov, Nuland, Nilivajchenko and Kerry - join the the war criminal Savchenko on the bench of the Nürenberg court equivalent.

Incidentally, Kerry immediately went to the defence of his fellow criminal and demanded that Russia releases the murderer of the journalists.

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A Hungarian journalist finished filming a documentary about the current state in Donbass. He documented the increase in shellings, the bombed out schools, the house, where Ukro-Nazis were conducting tortures. The film will be soon aired in Hungary.

Meanwhile in Italy, they aired a new Italian documentary, "Donbass Seasons" , which tracks the history of the war in Donbass, staring from coup d'etat in Kiev and the Odessa massacre:

http://politikus.ru/video/69177-teper-uzhe-i-v-italii-vyshel-dokumentalnyy-film-o-donbasse.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8GQg29cPkQ

As a Russian saying goes - "All that is hidden becomes apparent". Or the good old English "Truth will out".

ROFL. Ok, I understand.

You are revisionist (and delusional).  Whatever makes you happy man.  Let me guess, you are an Orthodox Christian and a member of United Russia

BTW, I did not include Varangian and Khazar controlled "Rus" as there were no Slavic states or cities at that time.
Those trading routes were fully controlled by Scandinavians and Khazars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars



Nothing to do with Slavic states.  Vikings, Khazars controlled that area, starting in from mid 6-7th century.  So it is quite a bit of stretch for Slavs to claim Kievan Rus to be their ancestral state.  

Rurik, Sineus and Truvor were not Russians, Ukrainians or old Slavs    But for you it probably does not matter.  Since Ukrainians don't exist, I see no reason why Kievan Rus was not established by Putin's ancestral family  

PS. Rurik haplotypes:  Y-DNA haplogroup N1c1 are found in coastal Finland, among the Swedish-speaking Finn.
Sorry buddy, your Russian empire started with Muscovy, I'm afraid.

From the various reports, Kiev is gradually intensifying its military presence in Donbass, as well as the number and seriousness of provocations. Looks like Kiev junta is doing it gradually to a) test the waters and b) to blame DNR/LNR(/Russia) for violating Minsk accord, when they finally cross the line and the response to the aggression would become unavoidable.

Another front, where Kiev is concentrating Turkish terrorists (calling them Tatars), is in Kherson oblast. A 2-front provocation, with political support from EU, is in the air...

Actually, the immense of experienced staff have left Ukrainian army in 2014, and there is no significant flow of defects anymore. Because the rest of Ukrainian army is presented by incompetent people. Due to lack of proper education, practice and discipline. Even their generals are regularly failing to demonstrate any geographical or tactical skills.

Ukraininain soldiers defecting to join the Russian army I hear. Understandable that they´re getting tired of the mess of an army and want to join a real one.

Ok, let's talk about it.

First of all, answer this:
was Taras Shevchenko (1814-1861) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taras_Shevchenko ) a Ukrainian poet/writer?  Yes or No?

When did Poland conduct Ukrainization of the "borderlands"?  Before 1795 or after 1918?  And why would they want to do it?  To piss off Russians in the 21st century?  From what I read, Poland was doing the exact opposite of Ukrainization.  Didn't they arrested Bandera and sentenced him to death (later commuted to a life sentence) on terrorism charges?

I really don't understand your position.  Do you deny that Ukrainians are a nation with its own language and culture?

You do understand that it was Russians who continued their push westward/southward since Muscovy was established in 1283.  Here is a map of the expansion from 1390-1525.



The expansion continues to this day.

I know, galdur. I was simply pointing to a possible common semantic root of the word "holm" in Slavic and Scandinavian languages.

A fragment from Wikipedia:

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4


What interests me more is a note a little further:


Also, Novgorod in Russian means "New Town". According to some researchers, it refers to the founding of a new city as the Slavic people moved further East away from the advancing Germanic nation.

I wonder what happened to about 5000 years of Slavic history... About the transition to the European – Christian-based – calendar. With that Calendar reform of Peter I in 1700 [7208 by the Slavic Calendar], a large chunk of the Russian history was erased and re-written. Just think – year 2016 is 7524 by the Slavic Calendar, which starts its counting from the “peace treaty with the Dragon [presumably, China]”. The word "calendar" originates from the old Slavic "Kolo Dar" - "Wheel of Time"

Ivangorod Fortress is a Russian medieval castle established by Ivan III in 1492 and since then grown into the town of Ivangorod. The fortress overlooks the Narva River opposite the Narva Hermann Castle and the Estonian city of Narva. Wikipedia



Ivangorod is impressive in size, grandeur and its unequivocal challenge to the Narva castle. Both fortresses are only separated by the bed of the Navrova River. Ivangorod was named after Muscovite Grand Prince Ivan III, during whose reign Moscow completed the incorporation of Russian lands. The unification of Russian lands under Moscow concluded at the end of the 15th century. In that time, many works were undertaken for the strengthening of the borders of the Russian State erection of new fortresses and the fundamental reconstruction of new ones.

One of these new defensive complexes was Ivangorod. Novogorodian masons very astutely chose a place on the bank of the river Narova for the fortifications a high stratified rock, called by the people Virgin's Mountain. The river winds around the rock, and serves as a boundary between Russia and Estlandia, holding in check the forays of the German-Livonian order. Across from the Russian fortification was the German fortress ( High Herman ) the castle of Narva. Under the threat of its garrisons, the construction of Ivangorod was complicated and dangerous. Therefore, it was decided to carry out the construction in the summer of 1492 at exactly the same time as Sweden, Poland, and the Livonian Order stopped, for a short while, their constant invasions on their neighbors. The fortress itself was built on the instructions of the grand prince. It was a regular fortress, i.e. strictly quadrilateral, with square towers. Its area is 1600 sq. meters. The height of the walls is 14 meters. The shape of the merlons reminds one of the Moscow and Novgorod Kremlins. The manpower in the fortress garrison was relatively small.

The new fortress literally sprung up before the eyes of the Livonians in one summer. If the fortress Ivangorod had remained undefended into the winter, then with the formation of the ice on the river, the knights would probably have tried to take the new Moscow fortress. The square citadel with walls to 16m was sufficiently powerful to fend off enemy advances and defend the nearby Russian settlements.

It means an islet in Icelandic. I guess the old Novgorod was surrounded by wetland and appeared like it was an island to those vikings. The readers of those old sagas probably could care less about some Constantine, Grand City was much more to the point. Same for the other names. It´s descriptive for literary purposes.

My own guys? WTF?  
I'm not a Jew (or Russian).  Not even close.

Anyway, so you are saying Soviet ruling class was not dominated by Russians?  Why the heck did they speak Russian not Azerbaijani.

Russians constituted a ruling majority in the Soviet empire.  It was the Russian Revolution that brought them to power, not Estonian revolution

If you say, oh no, those were not Russians, those were Soviets, it is like Germans saying, oh, no, Germans did not organize and run the concentration camps, Nazis did.

Look in the mirror, you might not like what you see.

There is a Russian documentary/debate TV program, called "Special Correspondent". The two recent editions were very informative.

The one from the 2nd of March is called "Guantanamo the Ukrainian way":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8_cmm81Plw
It's blurb reads: Russian passport, Crimean address of residence or even an air-plane ticket to Moscow can be grounds for a person to end up behind the bars of a concentration camp in Ukraine. The film by Aleksander Buzuladze "Inmates".

It looks like Ukraine is repeating the Austrian practice of WWI, which had the first concentration camps in Europe for the Russians of Galicia - Thalerhof and Teresin...

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The one from yesterday is called "The Heart of Donbass":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGXQ1omaC0

There are several documentaries in that program:

One is about scale of the damage to the housing and the rebuilding efforts, under the constant threat of new shellings, it's about the destruction of the churches, it's about the shells from the illegal cluster bombs that Kiev used, and the explosives strewn around...

And it's about the "heart of Donbass" - its coal mines, and the miners, people who kept on working even as West-Ukrainians were jumping on Maidan, and as ukro-Nazis were shelling those mines...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=brGXQ1omaC0#t=508

Interesting, Galdur.
Yes, Icelandic "garður" has the same root as Norwegian "gård", as Russian "gorod" / "-grad", as in English "guard". There are very many common Scandinavian and Slavic words, some having only slightly divergent contemporary meaning: "Jar", "Odin", "Holm", "As" (as in "Asgard"), "Esel", "Tallerken", "List"...

Incidentally, "holm" in Russian means "hill", which is close enough to the Scandinavian meaning - both are "elevated ground".

Novgorod - Hólmgarður - Island or islet town

Kiev - Kænugarður - Boat town

Constantinople - Mikligarður - Big city

These names are about a thousand years old here.

I think the -garður suffix is basically the same as gorod in Russian.

On occasion of the day, think I´ll add this sniper here

LOL.  Jesus, you are some revisionist?  What are you talking about?

Ukranisation during Soviet times? Millions of Ukrainians were sent to Siberia, new Russians were brought in to take over their homes. WTF are you talking about?
I guess you are going to deny Holodomor as well?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Next you are going to say that Taras Shevchenko was a Russian poet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taras_Shevchenko

Tone down on your revisionist BS.  I know you are all Russkiy and all that, but Jesus, just  stop spouting garbage.