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Yeah, right. “This historical event is a national affair and is important in Norway’s relations with Russia”, The Royal House of Norway writes on its website.

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70-årsmarkering i Kirkenes
H.M. Kongen, statsministeren og utenriksministeren deltar under 70-årsmarkeringen for frigjøringen av Øst-Finnmark 25. oktober.
Markeringen av denne historiske begivenheten er et nasjonalt anliggende og viktig for Norges forhold til Russland.

http://www.kongehuset.no/artikkel.html?tid=122680&sek=112472

Ha. I read the way the event was reported in the Norwegian papers, when Lavrov came for the celebration of liberation. And then there was another article, showing how USA and Norwegian high command had secret plans to burn down Finnmark the same way Germans did a few years before, in case Soviet Union decided to move in.



Since the salvage works started on the 20th of February in Donetsk airport, the Donetsk republican authorities recovered 373 bodies of Ukrainian militants. 306 bodies have already been handed over to Kiev.
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/3/1/732097.html



Latvian Vesti.lv noticed how Ukrainian tanks turned out not to be suited for battle, and that destructions of Ukrainian T-64s made on Harkov factory had some peculiarities that were not seen on Soviet-made T-64s. The bodies of the tanks were torn apart, whereas a normal type of battle damage is when the battle tower is blown off.
http://ria.ru/world/20150301/1050289627.html
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So first of all, let me congratulate the authors of this beautiful S.E. I would say it's an E.S.E. (E for excellent). So here is my point of view:  this girl is born in 1991 (time of the enslavers of mankind), so she is very young. It's possible that her "soulmate" is this pig... but I am sure it's more a source of cash and vacations in Dubai (Dubai... again... someone needs to clean even if it's lower the price of real estate... otherwise other will do it, and it ain't a threat but a reality. big dif. An advice if you want). but I come back to the girl...

One day she will maybe met her perfect match, the boy who will make her see the light... In a short instant she will realize what she did in the past, what a bitch she was, and now it's were it get interesting, will she able to tell her partner and move forward, or will she lies (which means it isn't her partner).

In very short, I find very sad that some society (mostly in the west) are geared to fuck those girls by profiteers that will not love them, but fuck them and send them back "broken" to her real partner. I do find it unfair and unjust (but what to expect from those people).
Answer : S.E. those men. GG WP ESE.

Long Live RUssia, Long live the Russian Defenders, fuck the west, to ashes.


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the second post I found very interesting is the one about the pilot that shaw the su leave with aa and come back without it... so now the pilot is named, time for S&R because the amerikis will kill him... and contrary to his colleges he didn't have yet the time to apologize... I would advise a video on his cell phone and sent it to the FSB. Thank you again!

I post the link http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2014/12/meet-pilot-who-shot-down-malysian.html otherwise the idiots working for the west will be unable to find... you sucks all.


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I like tank, because you can put them in a city and take control of it, meaning killing brutally those approaching the tank. And they are heavy enough so it's possible to put BIG flag on them... again to dominate the locals (if they are any survivors) because like said... first silence, then in.


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is it hard to find a remunerated occupation in Russia that would be compatible with both interest of China and Russia? some kind of crazy think thank? just asking... testing the waters...

first idea: a visit by mr Medvedev to Isreal... just to check the water... some will appreciate others will hate, but discussing their issues, exposing the pow of the Federation, and see what comes out...
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back:), you know what? as there is only one rule, bow before no one but God... I found an excellent website that you all here referenced many times... very cool.
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Yeah, right. “This historical event is a national affair and is important in Norway’s relations with Russia”, The Royal House of Norway writes on its website.

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70-årsmarkering i Kirkenes
H.M. Kongen, statsministeren og utenriksministeren deltar under 70-årsmarkeringen for frigjøringen av Øst-Finnmark 25. oktober.
Markeringen av denne historiske begivenheten er et nasjonalt anliggende og viktig for Norges forhold til Russland.

http://www.kongehuset.no/artikkel.html?tid=122680&sek=112472
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All this war talk is having me watch again The Unknown War. Or rather listening to Burt Lancaster´s splendid narration while doing other things on the computer. Now at Ep. 8, War in the Arctic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz29aYk6M8Y

Norwegians greeting Soviet forces at Kirkenes in 1944. 3500 people were hiding in mining shafts (where this was taken) in Bjørnevatn during the last weeks of the German occupation. Down south in Oslo this is all forgotten and mob whores are sending help to nazi goons on Russia´s doorstep.

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OCSE registered that Donetsk has again been shot at:
http://ria.ru/world/20150228/1050199796.html
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German tank battalion to be activated amid Russia crisis
http://www.dw.de/german-tank-battalion-to-be-activated-amid-russia-crisis/a-18284219

World War III...

Nah, doesn´t mean anything. Germany has no military to speak of. It is an occupied country and as such has a limited military and foreign policy. That´s why Merkel appears as the mob lackey that she has to be.

Sure, they have very good small units in their military tradition no doubt. And the Leopard is handsome although obsolete as all tanks are. I think the Germans have about as many of them as the number of tanks the Ukrainians left in the Debaltsevo cauldron.

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German tank battalion to be activated amid Russia crisis
http://www.dw.de/german-tank-battalion-to-be-activated-amid-russia-crisis/a-18284219

World War III...
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February 28, 2015, 03:12:43 PM
This Nemtsov guy was shot to death near the Kremlin. He was a political zero in Russia, a little more significant than Garry Kasparov but not much. But of course Putin did it. The mob always points to those that have the least to gain. That´s nothing new. Anyway, with armed nazi goons running around in Russia´s back yard any opposition to countering those nazis effectively is very unlikely to increase one´s popularity in Russia, could probably be downright dangerous. And that without any influence from the state.

Still, it looks like the security services were on the beach or "let it happen". Or maybe they weren´t watching the guy at all. It´s difficult to say. But it´s easy to speculate. Maybe it was a false flag, maybe a contract hit connected to the guy´s business activities there are some angles to investigate.

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February 28, 2015, 03:05:55 PM
Ukrainian photo journalist of newspaper "Today" (Segodnja) came under fire near Peski in Donetsk and was killed:
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1799102?iddd


From: http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/25-02-2015/129908-war_ukraine_europe-0/

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In an interview with the prime minister of the breakaway Carpathian republic of Ruthenia Pyotr Getsko, the following was said :
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“Poland is preparing for the integration of its former land – three Galician regions. The bottom line is that the trend is already visible. The plan to shatter Russia has failed, and the USA may decide to continue applying some of Maidan-related technologies, as well as Ukrainian nationalists in other countries of Eastern Europe.
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Poland is not the only country who has historical rights over these lands. Once there was a kingdom of Ruthenia (Ruthenia is a latin name for "Rus"), which emerged after the collapse of Kievan Rus', along with Novgorod and Vladimir-Suzdal grand duchies.
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February 28, 2015, 02:41:08 PM
Ukrainian photo journalist of newspaper "Today" (Segodnja) came under fire near Peski in Donetsk and was killed:
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1799102?iddd


From: http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/25-02-2015/129908-war_ukraine_europe-0/

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In an interview with the prime minister of the breakaway Carpathian republic of Ruthenia Pyotr Getsko, the following was said :

“It is clear that the truce will be thwarted very soon. There are prerequisites that have already been recognized officially that Kiev is no longer the center of all investment in Ukraine. According to statistic reports, in the second half of 2014 the main flow of investment has moved to three regions of western Ukraine – Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil regions. Therefore, statements from Klimkin and company do not mean anything. I think that they have already received an order, so they are wimping out Ukraine.

“Slowly but surely, Kiev is losing its role by moving capitals to those regions. In the Galician regions, the volume of construction and investments has been growing lately. The rest of Ukraine pales in comparison at this point. This is their vector. They work for Galicia now in an attempt to hang all the debts on the rest of Ukraine. Therefore, the Kiev government that has never become a legitimate government does not negotiate. Those, who created Maidan 1 and Maidan 2 escape from Kiev. Families of the top administration of Ukraine escape from the country as well.

“Poland is preparing for the integration of its former land – three Galician regions. The bottom line is that the trend is already visible. The plan to shatter Russia has failed, and the USA may decide to continue applying some of Maidan-related technologies, as well as Ukrainian nationalists in other countries of Eastern Europe.

“All these battalions, including Aidar and Azov, may go to Europe after Ukraine. Those people know what bloodshed is, they have learned to kill, loot and rape. They will not stop in Lviv, so they will go further to Europe via Poland or through Hungary, Slovakia.

“There will be a war in Europe, rather than in Russia. As for Russia, Putin has made all preventive decisions necessary.”



Translated from Russian from this source: http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/2/28/732009.html

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Spain has violated neutrality in the conflict in Ukraine, and therefore can not break it, said an antifascist Hector Arroyo, who returned home from the Donbass, and who had previously been detained by the Spanish police.

"There is no neutrality on the part of Spain in the conflict, so we could not go against it (the Spanish neutrality in the conflict in the Donbass). Spain has supplied arms and supported Kiev. We know that in the ranks of the Ukrainian military there are Spanish mercenaries "- said Arroyo to RIA" Novosti".

Arroyo also said that the Spanish authorities do not have evidence for indictment and said that their mission in Ukraine was exclusively humanitarian in nature and was aimed at helping the residents of Donbass.

According to the Spaniard, "they were unloading trucks with food, handing out food and clothes to people who lost their homes."

The day before, the Spanish police arrested eight subjects of the kingdom, who returned from Ukraine to the homeland, said the ministry of internal affairs of the country.

The detentions were carried out in Asturias, Catalonia, Extremadura, Murcia, Madrid and Navarre. They were accused of involvement in the murder, possession of weapons and explosives, as well as participation in actions "directed against the interests of the Kingdom of Spain abroad."

Ministry of Internal Affairs of Spain stated that the actions of detainees "undermine the peace and independence of the state" and their actions are contrary to the status of neutrality of Spain in the Ukrainian conflict. All the detainees were released after police took their statements. In this case, the suspects must appear in court on demand.
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February 27, 2015, 06:17:07 PM
Russia, Russia everywhere.

This piece of land there at the tail of what is now Slovakia is called Sub-Carpathian Russia. I guess it belongs to Ukraine at the moment.

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February 27, 2015, 06:00:37 PM
Since the mob is always without any responsibility for the basket cases it creates the process ahead seems fairly predictable. The country will fall apart, Russia will move into the southern part to tend to the security of the population there - a relatively easy task for them - and E.U. forces will somehow try to stabilize the mess in the rest. Good luck with that. The mob breaks it they buy it.

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February 27, 2015, 05:58:01 PM
Ukraine's Strategic Food Reserve...Runs Out Of Food
http://fortruss.blogspot.de/2015/02/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-none_98.html

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Ukraine State Reserve doesn’t even have Azarov’s buckwheat. Everything was stolen.

Ukrainian food prices are rising at a rate faster than in the ‘90s. But the Yatsenyuk government is still blaming the situation on the ignorance of the population and speculation by supermarket chains.

They used to blame currency exchangers, now they are blaming supermarket directors. However, you can’t feed the people with such tales.

Putin stole Ukrainian food reserves. That's the most obvious thing they are going to say next, with that they can at least try. If they fail, they can always blame Putin's agents for the failure. As simple.
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February 27, 2015, 05:51:55 PM
Ukraine's Strategic Food Reserve...Runs Out Of Food
English: http://fortruss.blogspot.de/2015/02/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-none_98.html
Russian: http://rusvesna.su/news/1424969247

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Ukraine State Reserve doesn’t even have Azarov’s buckwheat. Everything was stolen.

Ukrainian food prices are rising at a rate faster than in the ‘90s. But the Yatsenyuk government is still blaming the situation on the ignorance of the population and speculation by supermarket chains.

They used to blame currency exchangers, now they are blaming supermarket directors. However, you can’t feed the people with such tales.
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February 27, 2015, 03:27:44 PM
Two news-items that make an interesting picture, when cross-referenced and some logic is applied:

Psaki could not confirm that Kiev pulls back its heavy weaponry:
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/02/26/n_6963249.shtml

Poroshenko states that heavy weaponry can be returned to the positions at any moment:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2015/02/27/n_6964641.shtml

Throw in the statement by Zaharchenko, who previously said that Kiev pulls more heavy stuff to DNR from Dniepropetrovsk and Zaporozhje, and the picture you get is that Kiev is using the quiet period to regroup and plan for a new assault.



And LNR plans to start issuing provisional passports to its citizens.
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February 27, 2015, 02:59:49 PM
Expecting the runway of ukitown to be full of outbound flights... d.c. bruxelles and of course where the pmc are hosted... interesting trails for sure. bye have fun home.
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February 27, 2015, 12:28:34 PM
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2008 February 1, 14:25 (Friday)

B. MOSCOW 182
 
Classified By: Ambassador William J. Burns.  Reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).
 
1.  (C) Summary.  Following a muted first reaction to
Ukraine's intent to seek a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP)
at the Bucharest summit (ref A), Foreign Minister Lavrov and
other senior officials have reiterated strong opposition,
stressing that Russia would view further eastward expansion
as a potential military threat.  NATO enlargement,
particularly to Ukraine, remains "an emotional and neuralgic"
issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also
underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and
Georgia.  In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue
could potentially split the country in two, leading to
violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force
Russia to decide whether to intervene.  Additionally, the GOR
and experts continue to claim that Ukrainian NATO membership
would have a major impact on Russia's defense industry,
Russian-Ukrainian family connections, and bilateral relations
generally.  In Georgia, the GOR fears continued instability
and "provocative acts" in the separatist regions.  End
summary.
 
MFA: NATO Enlargement "Potential Military Threat to Russia"
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2.  (U) During his annual review of Russia's foreign policy
January 22-23 (ref B), Foreign Minister Lavrov stressed that
Russia had to view continued eastward expansion of NATO,
particularly to Ukraine and Georgia, as a potential military
threat.  While Russia might believe statements from the West
that NATO was not directed against Russia, when one looked at
recent military activities in NATO countries (establishment
of U.S. forward operating locations, etc. they had to be
evaluated not by stated intentions but by potential.  Lavrov
stressed that maintaining Russia's "sphere of influence" in
the neighborhood was anachronistic, and acknowledged that the
U.S. and Europe had "legitimate interests" in the region.
But, he argued, while countries were free to make their own
decisions about their security and which political-military
structures to join, they needed to keep in mind the impact on
their neighbors.
 
3.  (U) Lavrov emphasized that Russia was convinced that
enlargement was not based on security reasons, but was a
legacy of the Cold War.  He disputed arguments that NATO was
an appropriate mechanism for helping to strengthen democratic
governments.  He said that Russia understood that NATO was in
search of a new mission, but there was a growing tendency for
new members to do and say whatever they wanted simply because
they were under the NATO umbrella (e.g. attempts of some new
member countries to "rewrite history and glorify fascists").
 
4.  (U) During a press briefing January 22 in response to a
question about Ukraine's request for a MAP, the MFA said "a
radical new expansion of NATO may bring about a serious
political-military shift that will inevitably affect the
security interests of Russia."  The spokesman went on to
stress that Russia was bound with Ukraine by bilateral
obligations set forth in the 1997 Treaty on Friendship,
Cooperation and Partnership in which both parties undertook
to "refrain from participation in or support of any actions
capable of prejudicing the security of the other Side."  The
spokesman noted that Ukraine's "likely integration into NATO
would seriously complicate the many-sided Russian-Ukrainian
relations," and that Russia would "have to take appropriate
measures."  The spokesman added that "one has the impression
that the present Ukrainian leadership regards rapprochement
with NATO largely as an alternative to good-neighborly ties
with the Russian Federation."
 
Russian Opposition Neuralgic and Concrete
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5.  (C) Ukraine and Georgia's NATO aspirations not only touch
a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about
the consequences for stability in the region.  Not only does
Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine
Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears
unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would
seriously affect Russian security interests.  Experts tell us
that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions
in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the
ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a
major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war.  In
that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to
 
intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.
 
6.  (C) Dmitriy Trenin, Deputy Director of the Carnegie
Moscow Center, expressed concern that Ukraine was, in the
long-term, the most potentially destabilizing factor in
U.S.-Russian relations, given the level of emotion and
neuralgia triggered by its quest for NATO membership.  The
letter requesting MAP consideration had come as a "bad
surprise" to Russian officials, who calculated that Ukraine's
NATO aspirations were safely on the backburner.  With its
public letter, the issue had been "sharpened."  Because
membership remained divisive in Ukrainian domestic politics,
it created an opening for Russian intervention.  Trenin
expressed concern that elements within the Russian
establishment would be encouraged to meddle, stimulating U.S.
overt encouragement of opposing political forces, and leaving
the U.S. and Russia in a classic confrontational posture.
The irony, Trenin professed, was that Ukraine's membership
would defang NATO, but neither the Russian public nor elite
opinion was ready for that argument.  Ukraine's gradual shift
towards the West was one thing, its preemptive status as a de
jure U.S. military ally another.  Trenin cautioned strongly
against letting an internal Ukrainian fight for power, where
MAP was merely a lever in domestic politics,  further
complicate U.S.-Russian relations now.
 
7.  (C) Another issue driving Russian opposition to Ukrainian
membership is the significant defense industry cooperation
the two countries share, including a number of plants where
Russian weapons are made.  While efforts are underway to shut
down or move most of these plants to Russia, and to move the
Black Sea fleet from Sevastopol to Novorossiysk earlier than
the 2017 deadline, the GOR has made clear that Ukraine's
joining NATO would require Russia to make major (costly)
changes to its defense industrial cooperation.
 
8.  (C) Similarly, the GOR and experts note that there would
also be a significant impact on Russian-Ukrainian economic
and labor relations, including the effect on thousands of
Ukrainians living and working in Russia and vice versa, due
to the necessity of imposing a new visa regime.  This,
Aleksandr Konovalov, Director of the Institute for Strategic
Assessment, argued, would become a boiling cauldron of anger
and resentment among the local population.
 
9.  (C) With respect to Georgia, most experts said that while
not as neuralgic to Russia as Ukraine, the GOR viewed the
situation there as too unstable to withstand the divisiveness
NATO membership could cause.  Aleksey Arbatov, Deputy
Director of the Carnegie Moscow Center, argued that Georgia's
NATO aspirations were simply a way to solve its problems in
Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and warned that Russia would be
put in a difficult situation were that to ensue.
 
Russia's Response
-----------------
 
10.  (C) The GOR has made it clear that it would have to
"seriously review" its entire relationship with Ukraine and
Georgia in the event of NATO inviting them to join.  This
could include major impacts on energy, economic, and
political-military engagement, with possible repercussions
throughout the region and into Central and Western Europe.
Russia would also likely revisit its own relationship with
the Alliance and activities in the NATO-Russia Council, and
consider further actions in the arms control arena, including
the possibility of complete withdrawal from the CFE and INF
Treaties, and more direct threats against U.S. missile
defense plans.
 
11.  (C) Isabelle Francois, Director of the NATO Information
Office in Moscow (protect), said she believed that Russia had
accepted that Ukraine and Georgia would eventually join NATO
and was engaged in long-term planning to reconfigure its
relations with both countries, and with the Alliance.
However, Russia was not yet ready to deal with the
consequences of further NATO enlargement to its south.  She
added that while Russia liked the cooperation with NATO in
the NATO-Russia Council, Russia would feel it necessary to
insist on recasting the NATO-Russia relationship, if not
withdraw completely from the NRC, in the event of Ukraine and
Georgia joining NATO.
 
Comment
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12. (C) Russia's opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine
and Georgia is both emotional and based on perceived
 
strategic concerns about the impact on Russia's interests in
the region.  It is also politically popular to paint the U.S.
and NATO as Russia's adversaries and to use NATO's outreach
to Ukraine and Georgia as a means of generating support from
Russian nationalists.  While Russian opposition to the first
round of NATO enlargement in the mid-1990's was strong,
Russia now feels itself able to respond more forcefully to
what it perceives as actions contrary to its national
interests.
BURNS

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html
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February 27, 2015, 12:23:30 PM
Let´s see, a toilet paper roll contains what 70 wipes. When a roll costs 10000 hryvnia and they can exchange that for 100 smaller hryvnia bills and wipe with that it´ll be a tidy profit.

I'm afraid by that time they will not need toilet paper at all.
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