Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 56. (Read 734725 times)

again thank you, very good plan... the Islamic insurgency was fully backed by the west to destabilize Soviet Union I guess trough proxy in the Arabian peninsula? If you have the time, why didn't it work out (from the Soviet perspective ofc)?

This actually explains a lot about how the mob works. It´s a very apt description of the insane roots of U.S. policy-making, which continues under Obama.


We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.

A senior adviser = Karl Rove.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?_r=0

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''

The plan was to prevent Islamic insurgency from spreading into the Soviet Central Asian republics as well as stop the drug trafficking into the USSR. It became increasingly obvious that the regime standing in Afghanistan prior to the Soviet invasion could not prevent all-out civil war and the prospect of a hostile Islamic government taking control over the whole country (as it still happened after the Soviets had withdrawn their troops).

Hammond told Marr that under the Minsk peace plan Moscow agreed to hand back control of all Russian territory by the end of the year and could “expect the temperature to be turned up significantly” if it did not.

A top NATO European commander’s exaggerated comments on the Ukrainian conflict are ‘dangerous propaganda,’ and put the West at risk of losing credibility, sources in the German Chancellor’s Office told Der Spiegel.

General Philip Breedlove made harsh remarks on the situation in Ukraine on Wednesday, saying that the self-defense forces, with the assistance of Russia, have prepared “over a thousand combat vehicles” and “sophisticated air defense, battalions of artillery” in the south-east of the country.


“What is clear is that right now it is not getting better, it is getting worse every day,” NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) concluded.

The comments came on the same day as the OSCE (Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe) stressed that progress in the fulfillment of the Minsk peace deal between Ukrainian government and the militias in Donetsk and Lugansk Regions.

you need good plant to make good hashish. anyway last time, I will try . that's why there is fighting between the farmers (those making plants that needs clean water) and the foreigners (bent on mining and destroying the water supply in the process) as you know afg outside of the river is quite harsh, winterish even. On the subject what was the plan to go in afg for the Soviets?

I have no idea about the weed situation in Russia. Guess it´s illegal but not sure how strict the enforcement is. I suspect that hashish from Afghanistan, Pakistan and those parts may be more common than marijuana on the street.

thank you again for the explanations, I always love them, even more when clearly illustrated. I profit from this post to ask you something, if in our discussion about the FEDERATION, it happens that weed is legal somewhere (beyond the Urals for example), please tell me, so that I will not ask this question any longer. For the lutz, can we smoke weed beyond the Urals? cops density must be among the lowest in the world, but I am speaking of legally (disclaimer for the foreigners, if you come with bad intents you will be hunted, found, and killed (or what ever)).

Voroshilov had reasons to be content. He had just been named Marshal of the Soviet Union and the year before he had finished overseeing the moving of key Soviet war industries to east of the Urals, so that the Soviet Union could give up vast amounts of land to an invader but still keep its war-making capability largely intact. Yes, they were ahead of the curve. But an initial invasion from the west may not have been the only possibility they had in mind. Maybe they had a "pre-emptive action" up their sleeve if needed, who knows. At any rate it was safely out of reach of bombers from the west.

thx again for sharing, they have an attitude that you rarely see in the west in this picture, and never in politic/management.

The chairman of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet, Kliment Voroshilov, offering his closing remarks at the session on 19 February 1954.

Yes, history repeats, also today outside forces and enemies are trying to snatch the Crimea from Russia.


http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/119638

K. Ye. Voroshilov. There are no other proposals?

(Presidium members: "No").

Permit us to vote for only the proposal which was read by Cde. Pegov. Whoever is for the proposals, those please raise your hand. The Presidium members vote. Please put them down. Who is against? None. Who abstained? Also none.

The Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is adopted unanimously.

Comrades…this remarkable act of great state importance once again confirms that relations between the sovereign union socialist republics in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics were founded on the basis of genuine equal rights and a real understanding and respect for mutual interests directed at the prosperity of all union republics.

Under capitalism this would have been impossible. In history there could not be and cannot be such relations between republics. In the past, and especially under capitalism, desires for territorial seizure and the desire of strong countries to feast on the territories of weak countries formed the very basis of relations between countries. Only in the conditions of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was such a just solution of all territorial issues between union republics possible based on administrative and economic advisability with complete mutual friendship and the fraternal cooperation of their peoples. The transfer of the Crimean Oblast' from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR meets the interests of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples and the overall state interests of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics…Both in the distant and not-so-distant past enemies repeatedly tried to take the Crimean Peninsula from Russia and use it to pillage and ravage Russian lands, and to create a military base there to attack Russia and Ukraine. But more than once in joint battle the Russian and Ukrainian peoples severely beat the insolent invaders and threw them out of Ukraine and Crimea. Ukraine and Crimea are closely tied by a commonality of economic interests; this has already been eloquently said here by both the presenters and the comrades who spoke. The cultural ties between Crimea and Ukraine have especially grown and deepened. The transfer of the Crimea Oblast' to the Ukrainian SSR will undoubtedly strengthen these traditional ties still further …

We know and are glad that the Russian, Ukrainian, and all the other peoples of our boundless country will henceforth develop and strengthen their fraternal friendship. Let our great Motherland, the fraternal Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, strengthen and develop!

We have no other questions today.

I declare today's meeting closed.

This occasion and propaganda around it was used as a romantic justification for the transfer. The reason was much more prosaic and down to earth. There was power struggle for the post of gensec after Stalin's death. Hrushjov was one of  the candidates. His "election" campaign was based revelations and condemnation of Stalin's repressions. One problem is: he himself was very active in the repressions businesses in Ukraine. On the other hand he had good contact with Ukrainian party tops (and Ukrainian Communist party had at that time even stronger position in the Soviet hierarchy than the Russian one). So he needed to buy favours and silence about his past transgressions. Crimea served both those purposes. In a way it was history's largest personal bribe.

Crimeans were against this transfer. The leader of the Crimean regional Communist cell tried to bring this to the attention of Moscow and paid for it with his position. During the summers of 1980's that I spent on Crimea, I heard a lot of kitchen talk about why the hell Crimea is in Ukraine and if Hrushjov was out of his mind... You see, Crimeans were itching for a chance to get out of Ukraine even before they were transferred there.

By the way, remember when Putin said that Crimea for Russia is like Jerusalem for Jews (bringing down ire from Germany). Well, it's true. Christianing of Rus happened in Herson on Crimea. The period, when Crimea was not under Russian rule corresponded to the Tatar-Mongol occupation and the remains of the Tatar forces that were pushed South from the Russian lands (but not all the way out).

On the other hand the transfer of the Crimea in 1954 could also have been influenced by this



Eternally Together: a Soviet propaganda poster made for the 300th anniversary of the Treaty of Pereyaslav in 1954