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On the other hand the transfer of the Crimea in 1954 could also have been influenced by this



Eternally Together: a Soviet propaganda poster made for the 300th anniversary of the Treaty of Pereyaslav in 1954

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The Council of Pereyaslav (Ukrainian: Пepeяcлaвcькa paдa) was the 1654 General Cossack Council convened in Pereyaslav on the initiative of Bohdan Khmelnytsky to address the issue on mutual relations between Cossack Hetmanate and Muscovy. The council was attended by a delegation from Muscovy. Reportedly the council adopted a decision on the unification of Ukraine with Russia, but no original documents have been preserved. The event is often being confused with the official document that was signed two months later and known as the 1654 March Articles.
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Yeah Nemo, no wonder that the Russians moved quickly in the Crimea last year. I could only watch in awe as they pulled off their decisive but very quiet takeover. A military masterpiece for the textbooks.

Crimea is Russian land. Has been from the 18th century and still was even though it was administratively transferred between Soviet republics in the fifties. I think the Kremlin was rewarding Kiev for eradicating lingering nazi insurgencies (aided by NATO/CIA of course) in western Ukraine after WW2.

And now it´s back in Russia´s fold and they´re sure as hell not going to let it go again. I  hope those mob/nazi dumbbells don´t try anything, the consequences won´t be pleasant I´m sure.



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One thing is for sure, being a russian living over in there now can't be easy. Ethnic cleansing going on, Russia stopped USA from invading Syria - this is the revenge.

That´s part of it, no doubt.

Maybe things are being ratcheted up for a spring offensive ? Six NATO warships are conducting war games in the Black Sea. U.S. sending 600 paratroopers to Ukraine, some lesser mob outfits sending "advisers" as well. Could get dangerous but the Russians are unlikely to take any baits, they´re too shrewd for that.
Yeah they got many troops close to Russia now due to the situation in the Ukraine, could be both - but I don't tihnk US has the balls to invade Russia tbh, they will keep their rat and mouse game up while something else is going on at the higher politic levels.

I guess it´s Crimea and the Donbass they´re eying. Those choice bits of Ukraine most likely were the main reason for the west´s coup last year. Especially the Crimea must be attractive to them, control that and they pretty much dominate Russia´s entire southern flank. I think they´re crazy enough to try something major there.

You assumption is spot on. From April last year:
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/04/24/breaking-us-planned-to-turn-crimea-into-military-base-against-russia/

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At least one hospital in Crimea’s capital Simferopol and at least one school in Sevastopol were targeted by the US/NATO just recently. They were planning on turning the hospital into a base for their troops after a massive renovation. One of the high schools (a gymnasium) in Sevastopol the Kiev authorities were about to sell to the US to be repurposed as a school for spies, targeting Russia. It was planned that the kids going to that school would be learning languages and spying techniques since an early age.

It appears Americans wanted to turn the Crimea into a massive military/navy/intelligence complex. The famous, one-of-a-kind Soviet underground submarine base in Balaklava, which is now the Museum of the Cold War, was visited in the past several years by at least 25 delegations from the Pentagon, US Navy, NATO, and Western political circles. Kiev gave them access to super-secret Russian/Soviet sectors of the base, which were supposed to be off limits. They studied with great interest the secret documentation and technology.



The final day for pull out of the heavy artillery is the day after tomorrow. DNR and LNR finished their pull-out. Kiev hardly started, and according to some DNR-released intelligence, Kiev forces have even been concentrating more weaponry south of DNR.



A group of Spanish anti-fascist volunteers, who returned from Donetsk face charges of "violating Spanish neutrality" and up to 15 years imprisonment for their effort to distribute humanitarian aid there. Interestingly, Spanish fascists, who actively fight in the Kiev's punisher battalions are a perfectly fine thing.
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I really love Russian assassin "elites", they are smart, and can understood everything I write (sometimes they chose not). big kiss, big hug.

edit for Chinese local audiences, I always look stupid, always repeated known and archi known stuff (sorry but the foreigners are really in darkness, and I don't like them to be seeking light in the Homeland so better guide them on their own path).
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One thing is for sure, being a russian living over in there now can't be easy. Ethnic cleansing going on, Russia stopped USA from invading Syria - this is the revenge.

That´s part of it, no doubt.

Maybe things are being ratcheted up for a spring offensive ? Six NATO warships are conducting war games in the Black Sea. U.S. sending 600 paratroopers to Ukraine, some lesser mob outfits sending "advisers" as well. Could get dangerous but the Russians are unlikely to take any baits, they´re too shrewd for that.
Yeah they got many troops close to Russia now due to the situation in the Ukraine, could be both - but I don't tihnk US has the balls to invade Russia tbh, they will keep their rat and mouse game up while something else is going on at the higher politic levels.

I guess it´s Crimea and the Donbass they´re eying. Those choice bits of Ukraine most likely were the main reason for the west´s coup last year. Especially the Crimea must be attractive to them, control that and they pretty much dominate Russia´s entire southern flank. I think they´re crazy enough to try something major there.

never forget the geogian guide stone... who knows. exolives from earth would need more background radiation and more space... who knows... interest on people, gmo, please... it's genocide.
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One thing is for sure, being a russian living over in there now can't be easy. Ethnic cleansing going on, Russia stopped USA from invading Syria - this is the revenge.

That´s part of it, no doubt.

Maybe things are being ratcheted up for a spring offensive ? Six NATO warships are conducting war games in the Black Sea. U.S. sending 600 paratroopers to Ukraine, some lesser mob outfits sending "advisers" as well. Could get dangerous but the Russians are unlikely to take any baits, they´re too shrewd for that.
Yeah they got many troops close to Russia now due to the situation in the Ukraine, could be both - but I don't tihnk US has the balls to invade Russia tbh, they will keep their rat and mouse game up while something else is going on at the higher politic levels.

I guess it´s Crimea and the Donbass they´re eying. Those choice bits of Ukraine most likely were the main reason for the west´s coup last year. Especially the Crimea must be attractive to them, control that and they pretty much dominate Russia´s entire southern flank. I think they´re crazy enough to try something major there.
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One thing is for sure, being a russian living over in there now can't be easy. Ethnic cleansing going on, Russia stopped USA from invading Syria - this is the revenge.

That´s part of it, no doubt.

Maybe things are being ratcheted up for a spring offensive ? Six NATO warships are conducting war games in the Black Sea. U.S. sending 600 paratroopers to Ukraine, some lesser mob outfits sending "advisers" as well. Could get dangerous but the Russians are unlikely to take any baits, they´re too shrewd for that.
Yeah they got many troops close to Russia now due to the situation in the Ukraine, could be both - but I don't tihnk US has the balls to invade Russia tbh, they will keep their rat and mouse game up while something else is going on at the higher politic levels.

If you had to start to restructure the Empire from within, and from the perspective of the Empire, how would you want your "potential" enemies (ie having a little capacity of deterrence) to be? trust them to be locked, or impose a set of conditions, permitting a safe (from an imperial perspective) transition of power from the corrupts to the righteous of America? Don't worry it's a true theory that has no bearing with reality, even if the setup is treacherous and frankly very aggressive would permit to have the depth and amplitude to restructure the home front peacefully. If Russia and it's services got that interest were a weapon, that gmo too, that du sucks and round up is toxic etc etc, what do you think the inventors know? How long will they accept to be under exposures, them and their loved ones... not worth the risks from my little  perspective. What would their heroes do? surrender, accept humiliation, go home lavished? don't bet either.

From an outside perpective, and let it keep in perspective, for a pay back to Syria it's quite very uneven, however farmore interesting is watching the war on the homefront of the American Empire... Battlefield USA. Once in a lifetime!! And as I am very positive the question is more when than how, it will be cool to see it afterwards... expect surprises.
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but I take it as the situation over there will be even more chaotic after this?
I think you're right because such configuration of legislative power doesn't seem sustainable in the long term. However, it's interesting that far-right (32%) and far-left (68%) are working under the common roof without fighting with each other.

People's Soviet page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Soviet_of_the_Donetsk_People%27s_Republic

DIstribution of seats:



Now I don't trust Wikipedia
By the way, CP page has been created:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Donetsk_People's_Republic

4th link is quite funny, quick comparison of headlines:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/10/29/eastern-ukraines-fake-state-is-about-to-elect-a-fake-prime-minister/

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Eastern Ukraine’s Fake State Is About to Elect a Fake Prime Minister

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Ukraine Wins - A successful parliamentary election opens a window of hope for an embattled country.

Source's narrative seems truly impartial... Cheesy

Some other parties:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk_Republic_(political_party)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Russia_Party
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The political party Donetsk Republic, which includes the Communist Party of the Donetsk People's Republic, gained a majority of the seats in the Soviet with the 68,53% and 68 seats. Free Donbass, which includes the Russian-nationalist extremist New Russia Party, gained the 31.65% and 32 seats.

Don't mess with these guys. Cheesy
Now I don't trust Wikipedia very much but I take it as the situation over there will be even more chaotic after this?
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One thing is for sure, being a russian living over in there now can't be easy. Ethnic cleansing going on, Russia stopped USA from invading Syria - this is the revenge.

That´s part of it, no doubt.

Maybe things are being ratcheted up for a spring offensive ? Six NATO warships are conducting war games in the Black Sea. U.S. sending 600 paratroopers to Ukraine, some lesser mob outfits sending "advisers" as well. Could get dangerous but the Russians are unlikely to take any baits, they´re too shrewd for that.
Yeah they got many troops close to Russia now due to the situation in the Ukraine, could be both - but I don't tihnk US has the balls to invade Russia tbh, they will keep their rat and mouse game up while something else is going on at the higher politic levels.
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so it's gonna be on, like in donkey kong? what ever, the moral high ground, unity in goals and means between the leadership and the grunts (no offenses intended), unity in values, what justice is, what is a positive and rewarding after war world, etc... be ready, it may start in donbass will end in d.c. so better have all the details arranged, values set, and goals and metrics in place... and then in motion. How many inch of papers do you need to stop a bullet? print mofs.
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Quote from Wikipedia:

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The political party Donetsk Republic, which includes the Communist Party of the Donetsk People's Republic, gained a majority of the seats in the Soviet with the 68,53% and 68 seats. Free Donbass, which includes the Russian-nationalist extremist New Russia Party, gained the 31.65% and 32 seats.

Don't mess with these guys. Cheesy
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CyberBerkut published intercepted Ukrainian plans for sweeps of Mariupol. So far over 100 people have been arrested there:
http://ria.ru/world/20150306/1051217830.html

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Add to that:

Ukraine’s parliament adopts law on increasing army size to 250,000 people
http://tass.ru/en/world/781203

Something's cooking if the Ukies bolstered their wishful thinking.
By the way, the very same parliament discussed a law giving and automatic 3 year imprisonment for anyone criticizing the Ukrainian government. Don't know if they passed it, but it sounds democratic enough...

A thought: the way Ukrainian junta behaves, reminds me of the jackal in the cartoon Maugli, always hiding behind the tiger's back...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd8Wi8uxQUE

Hmm... looks like I am not the only one. Someone made a brilliant re-cut of the old Soviet film to reflect the current political situation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAfSEMK7Nhg
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One thing is for sure, being a russian living over in there now can't be easy. Ethnic cleansing going on, Russia stopped USA from invading Syria - this is the revenge.

That´s part of it, no doubt.

Maybe things are being ratcheted up for a spring offensive ? Six NATO warships are conducting war games in the Black Sea. U.S. sending 600 paratroopers to Ukraine, some lesser mob outfits sending "advisers" as well. Could get dangerous but the Russians are unlikely to take any baits, they´re too shrewd for that.
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Putin is re-building the burnt bridges in Europe.

Putin: E.Ukraine situation difficult, at least cities not being destroyed
http://rt.com/news/238077-russia-putin-ukraine-italy/



Donetsk republic hands over 23 bodies of Ukrainian troops killed near Illovaisk
http://tass.ru/en/world/781374



Ukraine military pull back convoys of heavy weapons, restrict monitors’ advance — OSCE
http://tass.ru/en/world/781366

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On the outskirts of the town of Schastye, 23 kilometres north of Luhansk, the mission saw a truck towing a 122mm howitzer in the western direction and also it "spotted a 152mm self-propelled howitzer, heading from Stanytsia Luhanska in a northerly direction."

At the same time, the SMM underscored that they managed to follow the convoy at a distance of only a few kilometres as the Ukrainian side restricted their advance farther on.

"The SMM could not verify the withdrawal of heavy weapons on this occasion due to a restriction on its freedom of movement," the document says.

In this light, it is important to note a released transcripts of intercepted radio communications between Ukrainian command and one of their artillery units, telling that the unit should not fire that day as OCSE observers are nearby, but don't know about their location. In case them come across, the unit commander was to tell the observers that they are preparing to pull out.
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One thing is for sure, being a russian living over in there now can't be easy. Ethnic cleansing going on, Russia stopped USA from invading Syria - this is the revenge.
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Nutcase News, cont. This Lyashko character clearly isn´t playing with a full deck. Now he wants to have Kharkov authorities shot if they refuse to dance to his crazy tunes. Now, that´s true Mob Democracy.

Rada deputy threatens to shoot the Kharkov authorities for refusing to declare Russia as an "aggressor"

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/03/rada-deputy-threatens-to-shoot-kharkov.html
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OCSE observers reported that Donetsk airport got hit by a strong artillery barrage, endangering salvage workers there. So far over 370 bodies of Ukrainian soldiers have been recovered there so far.
http://tass.ru/en/world/781100

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MOSCOW, March 4. /TASS/. Defense Ministry of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic has registered 25 violations of the ceasefire regime, including four instances of artillery shelling since Tuesday afternoon Eduard Basurin, the ministry spokesman said on Wednesday.



17th column with Russian humanitarian aid has delivered its cargo and is returning back. 80 trucks went to Lugansk and 80 - to Donetsk. The cargo was water, medicines and food - the primary items that needed to keep the population of the republics alive.



There was an interesting report from a village near Debalcevo. It's called Hrjashevatyj. Before Ajdar took over the village, a litle over 100 people lived there. After the Nazis were beaten out, they levelled the village with the ground. 34 villagers, who resisted Ajdar, died at their hand. IF not for the heroic resistance of the villagers, the battalion might have pushed all the way to Lugansk.



Fun fact, the republican army in Debalcevo appreciated delivery of the night vision equipment from the USA, and asks US StateDep to send over more to Ukraine, so that it can end up with them.  Grin
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