CrossTalk : Empire of Chaos Pepe Escobar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM8i1BOdcys
Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 92. (Read 734937 times)
The comments are, as always, very much worth the read. Here's a very astute one:
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Paveway IV
"...Oh.. so they want to be at least as well armed and armored as U.S. domestic police forces..."
Svaboda and Right Sector (Nazi) leaders run the Ukraine interior ministry and their members make up most of it's staff. They were put there to protect the Jewish-Ukrainian oligarchs and U.S. assets from the Ukrainian people. Their biggest threat is from regular Ukrainian Army conscripts (who mostly hate them) and rival Jewish-Ukrainian Oligarchs' private thug armies (who do whatever they're paid to do).
The U.S. has totally fucked up AGAIN, similar to what they did in Syria. Arms are sent to 'moderate' FSA, but the soldiers and the U.S. equipment eventually makes it to al Nusra and ISIS head-choppers. All of it. All the time. No exceptions. Sorry, Wolf Blitzer - you're fucking WRONG all the time.
Now the U.S. will be sending stuff supposedly to the regular Ukraine army. Except those soldiers and equipment will eventually make it to the Svaboda/Right Sector Stazi or one of the Jewish oligarch's private thug armies. All of it. All the time. No exceptions. Sorry Wolf Blitzer - you're going to be fucking WRONG this time, too.
There is no Ukrainian army any more to arm. The conscripts don't want to fight for *any* Jewish oligarch - they want to kill them. Since a lot of the Jewish oligarchs don't even live in Ukraine, the soldiers don't even have that chance. They're deserting and leaving Ukraine because there simply is no future for them and their families anymore. Ukrainians are not stupid - they've just been through this before. It never turns out well.
In the mean time, the Ukrainian Stazi and private thug armies will keep arming themselves to the teeth. It's permanent gang warfare there now. There is no political objective - it's just a steady job for the foot soldiers. If Svaboda/Right Sector or a Jewish oligarch can't cough up weapons and a paycheck (in USD or Euros only, please) then those foot-soldiers are gone, too.
Another U.S. sponsored death-camp for democracy. Yay!
"...Oh.. so they want to be at least as well armed and armored as U.S. domestic police forces..."
Svaboda and Right Sector (Nazi) leaders run the Ukraine interior ministry and their members make up most of it's staff. They were put there to protect the Jewish-Ukrainian oligarchs and U.S. assets from the Ukrainian people. Their biggest threat is from regular Ukrainian Army conscripts (who mostly hate them) and rival Jewish-Ukrainian Oligarchs' private thug armies (who do whatever they're paid to do).
The U.S. has totally fucked up AGAIN, similar to what they did in Syria. Arms are sent to 'moderate' FSA, but the soldiers and the U.S. equipment eventually makes it to al Nusra and ISIS head-choppers. All of it. All the time. No exceptions. Sorry, Wolf Blitzer - you're fucking WRONG all the time.
Now the U.S. will be sending stuff supposedly to the regular Ukraine army. Except those soldiers and equipment will eventually make it to the Svaboda/Right Sector Stazi or one of the Jewish oligarch's private thug armies. All of it. All the time. No exceptions. Sorry Wolf Blitzer - you're going to be fucking WRONG this time, too.
There is no Ukrainian army any more to arm. The conscripts don't want to fight for *any* Jewish oligarch - they want to kill them. Since a lot of the Jewish oligarchs don't even live in Ukraine, the soldiers don't even have that chance. They're deserting and leaving Ukraine because there simply is no future for them and their families anymore. Ukrainians are not stupid - they've just been through this before. It never turns out well.
In the mean time, the Ukrainian Stazi and private thug armies will keep arming themselves to the teeth. It's permanent gang warfare there now. There is no political objective - it's just a steady job for the foot soldiers. If Svaboda/Right Sector or a Jewish oligarch can't cough up weapons and a paycheck (in USD or Euros only, please) then those foot-soldiers are gone, too.
Another U.S. sponsored death-camp for democracy. Yay!
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JohninMK
Time for Russia to say to the West, on the sanctions front
"You're squeezing our finances, we need more dollars, you have forced us to foreclose on our $3B Ukrainian loan, oh, and if that $1.6B owed to Gazprom isn't paid back as agreed on the 31st December all gas through Ukraine goes on prepayment to stop theft."
And militarily
"Russia is determined to maintain the ceasefire in Ukraine, if Kiev breaks it, with or without the new US weapons, the full force of Russia will be applied to restore peace."
Time for Russia to say to the West, on the sanctions front
"You're squeezing our finances, we need more dollars, you have forced us to foreclose on our $3B Ukrainian loan, oh, and if that $1.6B owed to Gazprom isn't paid back as agreed on the 31st December all gas through Ukraine goes on prepayment to stop theft."
And militarily
"Russia is determined to maintain the ceasefire in Ukraine, if Kiev breaks it, with or without the new US weapons, the full force of Russia will be applied to restore peace."
im starting to think that the more we try to bring some rationalism here the more it gives them urge to reply with something.. whether it does or doesnt make any scense is not as important though. we should just let them make their points for themselves. ignorance cures. lack of attention cures. otherwise let them die for their stance. they deserve it afterall. survival of the fittest.
Good point. I have the obvious trolls on ignore. There are, however, some posters who seem to make sense on superficial reading, but once you start to take a closer look, the arguments they use fall apart. It's such posts I sometimes reply to, not for the benefit of the posters, but for the sake of other - silent - readers.
I see that some start personal attack, then they fail to refute the logic. Standard practice of discrediting... I want to give some personal background info to think about. In a small way, my current views are shaped by US State Department. Let me explain.
In the late 1980s I was an avid short wave listener, spending many a late night (when the reception was best) listening to the "enemy voices": Voice of America, Radio Svoboda (Radio Freedom), etc. They had many interesting, informative programs, interspersed with anti-USSR propaganda. A specific aspect of such propaganda, aired at Russia, was raising the national conciousness of Russians, and how USSR was bad for Russian culture, history, traditions, religion. So yes, if some find my views of Russia =/= USSR hard to swallow, please send your complaints to the US State Department that financed the programs that planted some of the first seeds of such views in me.
LoL Have you been to school ? Or geography is just a myth for u ? I know book with western country was forbidden not long time ago for russian ... but please you have a brain LoL ...
Since when François Holland president of "FRANCE" is Belgian ?? LoL , and he has nothing to do with Belgium ??
Europe parlement is in Belgium ... this is mean this is driven/managed by belgium citizen , of course not ...
Against you proove your weakness and lack of situation ... pathetic .... really and of course once again you will tell that we lie ... russia is well trainned to lie.
liying during more 20 years to have killing more 200 officiers at the end of WW2 ... does it ring a bell for u ? Katyn massacre
LoL
Ho yes we waitted the end of URSS to get official russian document prooving that german never killed them ....
Propaganda ... russian are only good on this point ....
How old are you bruh? You are going to have to excuse me, but do you have an idea of how foolish you're looking right now? LOL, what a nice demonstration of own dumbness! I thought that nothing would be able to surpass your messages about trucks of stolen coal, but I'm glad to see that I was wrong about that. Or even more... Dude, I have to congratulate you because I can't even choose right noun to describe your level of absolute stupidity! Thank you for good laugh. Since when François Holland president of "FRANCE" is Belgian ?? LoL , and he has nothing to do with Belgium ??
Europe parlement is in Belgium ... this is mean this is driven/managed by belgium citizen , of course not ...
Against you proove your weakness and lack of situation ... pathetic .... really and of course once again you will tell that we lie ... russia is well trainned to lie.
liying during more 20 years to have killing more 200 officiers at the end of WW2 ... does it ring a bell for u ? Katyn massacre
LoLHo yes we waitted the end of URSS to get official russian document prooving that german never killed them ....
Propaganda ... russian are only good on this point ....
Nemo1024
I think you missed #sarcasm tag. This tag is necessary for compatibility with some demotards who usually suffer from absence of abstract thinking.
Well, given all the turmoil and bankruptcy this year
I sure hope the Ukrainians got around to planting the fields.
Corn and wheat have rocketed for the past months even with
the rising dollar so some shortfall somewhere may be
anticipated next year.
But of course both the U.S. and the E.U. are eminently well
set financially to help out which is reassuring.
I sure hope the Ukrainians got around to planting the fields.
Corn and wheat have rocketed for the past months even with
the rising dollar so some shortfall somewhere may be
anticipated next year.
But of course both the U.S. and the E.U. are eminently well
set financially to help out which is reassuring.
times like these jackals come out to play.
CHECKMATE!!!
SUPER LAUGH-IN: TRAPPED BANKRUPTS
Actually, if you analyze it closely, the Ukraine Farce has become a comedy. It really makes me laugh LOUDLY thinking of the various traps created by Putin on his enemies...
So, the bankrupt WEst was targetting Gazprom?
Well, Ukraine is nothing but a bankrupt temporary state which can't afford its gas so it was thrown into the lap of the bankrupt EU, which is forced to prepay the gas so the UKies won't freeze... otherwise, the Ukies will steal the gas and Russia would be forced to close the supply & the EU comedians would freeze instead.
So, the income of Gazprom is now assured by the same parties which wanted to destroy it.
Worse, bankrupt Ukraine only has $10 billion left. SO the bankrupt WEstern countries are forced to help their fellow member of the bankrupt club. jUST THink where they will get the moneY AND you'll laugh some more.(Actually, they are already looking for a way out: Juncker is already warning UKraine to " improve its structures bla bla" or the funds may be "delayed bla bla". LOL, nice way of saying the bankrupt ones are already bankrupt "so please, other bankrupts don't make us more bankrupt..."
Here's one more laugh:
Actually, I rather suspect that the UKies were allowed to attack the East to bankrupt them big-time. Of course, they lost, could there be any other result? NOw, they have no more money and Ukraine is bankrupt big-time. THe bankrupt EU & the bankrupt US should put their money where their mouths are or they will become bigger laughing-stock. Actually, they are already all laughing-stock. THey just formed a comedy team- let's call them The Checkmated Bankrupts.
If you look closely at the gas situation with EU, there are more laughs but I'll write them next time. WE'll have a "Ukraine Super Laugh-in" serial here.
BUt here's a bonus laugh: the Color Revolutions of the NGO's of the bankrupt US are becoming big comedies too. THey are failing everywhere. In Iran, in Turkey, etc. WELL, the script sold already, it's really ridiculous that they thought they could still dupe many.
Below is the Hong Kong rally which was supposed to be the color revolution that should have started a chain of events that was supposed to break China. Well, it did break something- many are now breaking into laughter. THey used high school kids, most likely for better propaganda because people will sympathize & the police can't be too powerful in their response (cheaper budget besides). WEll, it was entertainment for a while but clearly, it was another failure.
I wonder what happened to the NGO's & the CIA agents involved. I hope they were not fired. They have been failing pretty regularly lately, nobody will be left if the incompetents were fired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hXfa3VRZTw
SUPER LAUGH-IN: TRAPPED BANKRUPTS
Actually, if you analyze it closely, the Ukraine Farce has become a comedy. It really makes me laugh LOUDLY thinking of the various traps created by Putin on his enemies...
So, the bankrupt WEst was targetting Gazprom?
Well, Ukraine is nothing but a bankrupt temporary state which can't afford its gas so it was thrown into the lap of the bankrupt EU, which is forced to prepay the gas so the UKies won't freeze... otherwise, the Ukies will steal the gas and Russia would be forced to close the supply & the EU comedians would freeze instead.
So, the income of Gazprom is now assured by the same parties which wanted to destroy it.
Worse, bankrupt Ukraine only has $10 billion left. SO the bankrupt WEstern countries are forced to help their fellow member of the bankrupt club. jUST THink where they will get the moneY AND you'll laugh some more.(Actually, they are already looking for a way out: Juncker is already warning UKraine to " improve its structures bla bla" or the funds may be "delayed bla bla". LOL, nice way of saying the bankrupt ones are already bankrupt "so please, other bankrupts don't make us more bankrupt..."
Here's one more laugh:
Actually, I rather suspect that the UKies were allowed to attack the East to bankrupt them big-time. Of course, they lost, could there be any other result? NOw, they have no more money and Ukraine is bankrupt big-time. THe bankrupt EU & the bankrupt US should put their money where their mouths are or they will become bigger laughing-stock. Actually, they are already all laughing-stock. THey just formed a comedy team- let's call them The Checkmated Bankrupts.
If you look closely at the gas situation with EU, there are more laughs but I'll write them next time. WE'll have a "Ukraine Super Laugh-in" serial here.
BUt here's a bonus laugh: the Color Revolutions of the NGO's of the bankrupt US are becoming big comedies too. THey are failing everywhere. In Iran, in Turkey, etc. WELL, the script sold already, it's really ridiculous that they thought they could still dupe many.
Below is the Hong Kong rally which was supposed to be the color revolution that should have started a chain of events that was supposed to break China. Well, it did break something- many are now breaking into laughter.
THey used high school kids, most likely for better propaganda because people will sympathize & the police can't be too powerful in their response (cheaper budget besides). WEll, it was entertainment for a while but clearly, it was another failure.I wonder what happened to the NGO's & the CIA agents involved. I hope they were not fired. They have been failing pretty regularly lately, nobody will be left if the incompetents were fired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hXfa3VRZTw
Yah... sure... and no russian tanks in ukraine... not a single one...
Yeah... sure... And there is no dick in your ass... Not a single one...Dicks, asses... Don't you have something else in your mind, russian idiot? You should stop sodomizing each other.
Draw the line once and for all... For the sake of europe this time 
Russia is preparing 10th humanitarian aid column. It will consist of more than 130 trucks, have 20 tonnes of medication, and this time also have New Year presents for the children of Donbass.
First NATO = USA, based on financing and agenda.
As for the Soviet Union, remember that for half of its existence, the leader of USSR and his right-hand-man were Georgians (Stalin/Gzhugashvili and Beria); Shevarnadze, Soviet Foreign Minister of the later days was Georgian; Lithuanian and Ukrainian party tops had a very strong sway in the government, Ukrainians heading USSR for several periods.
As for the Soviet Union, remember that for half of its existence, the leader of USSR and his right-hand-man were Georgians (Stalin/Gzhugashvili and Beria); Shevarnadze, Soviet Foreign Minister of the later days was Georgian; Lithuanian and Ukrainian party tops had a very strong sway in the government, Ukrainians heading USSR for several periods.
Let me get this straight.
NATO = USA, based on financing and agenda. OK, as long as we ignore the fact the UK and France are also nuclear/economic powers.
But...
Soviet Union = Georgia/Lithuania/Ukraine, based on financing and agenda?
Sorry that doesn't work logically. Here, let me fix it:
Soviet Union = The Russian Kremlin, and everyone knows it except for a few useful idiots whose rational patriotism has decayed into delusional jingoism.
Soviet Union = Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Lithuania, etc... Happy? I did not state the above equation. What I said, is that Russia under USSR had little say over its own affairs, and that many of the USSR-level decisions were reached to the detriment of Russia, that Russian foreign policy (as per before 1917 coup d'etat [which was Britain-financed, btw]) did not match the foreign policy of USSR and USSR foreign policy does not match the foreign policy of Russian Federation. Live with it - USSR and Russia are different entities. And I don't feel like repeating my argument all over again.
Oh, and jingoism is all yours.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingoism
"Jingoism is patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy"
What I say, and what Russian Federation is saying: Let's live in peace and work together with mutual respect.
NATO/US on the other hand: Let's move more troops to Russian border, let's hit Russia economically, etc...
LoL Have you been to school ? Or geography is just a myth for u ? I know book with western country was forbidden not long time ago for russian ... but please you have a brain LoL ...
Since when François Holland president of "FRANCE" is Belgian ?? LoL , and he has nothing to do with Belgium ??
Europe parlement is in Belgium ... this is mean this is driven/managed by belgium citizen , of course not ...
Against you proove your weakness and lack of situation ... pathetic .... really and of course once again you will tell that we lie ... russia is well trainned to lie.
liying during more 20 years to have killing more 200 officiers at the end of WW2 ... does it ring a bell for u ? Katyn massacre LoL
Ho yes we waitted the end of URSS to get official russian document prooving that german never killed them ....
Propaganda ... russian are only good on this point ....
How old are you bruh? You are going to have to excuse me, but do you have an idea of how foolish you're looking right now? LOL, what a nice demonstration of own dumbness! I thought that nothing would be able to surpass your messages about trucks of stolen coal, but I'm glad to see that I was wrong about that. Or even more... Dude, I have to congratulate you because I can't even choose right noun to describe your level of absolute stupidity! Thank you for good laugh. Since when François Holland president of "FRANCE" is Belgian ?? LoL , and he has nothing to do with Belgium ??
Europe parlement is in Belgium ... this is mean this is driven/managed by belgium citizen , of course not ...
Against you proove your weakness and lack of situation ... pathetic .... really and of course once again you will tell that we lie ... russia is well trainned to lie.
liying during more 20 years to have killing more 200 officiers at the end of WW2 ... does it ring a bell for u ? Katyn massacre
LoLHo yes we waitted the end of URSS to get official russian document prooving that german never killed them ....
Propaganda ... russian are only good on this point ....
Nemo1024
I think you missed #sarcasm tag. This tag is necessary for compatibility with some demotards who usually suffer from absence of abstract thinking.
Oh! When I wrote that parallel between relation of Russia/USSR vs. Belgium/EU, I thought it would be impossible to misunderstand it.
I guess some people are beyond redemption.For those with special problems in comprehension: Fracios Hollande is as Belguim as Stalin was Russian.
LoL Have you been to school ? Or geography is just a myth for u ? I know book with western country was forbidden not long time ago for russian ... but please you have a brain LoL ...
Since when François Holland president of "FRANCE" is Belgian ?? LoL , and he has nothing to do with Belgium ??
Europe parlement is in Belgium ... this is mean this is driven/managed by belgium citizen , of course not ...
Against you proove your weakness and lack of situation ... pathetic .... really and of course once again you will tell that we lie ... russia is well trainned to lie.
liying during more 20 years to have killing more 200 officiers at the end of WW2 ... does it ring a bell for u ? Katyn massacre LoL
Ho yes we waitted the end of URSS to get official russian document prooving that german never killed them ....
Propaganda ... russian are only good on this point ....
How old are you bruh? You are going to have to excuse me, but do you have an idea of how foolish you're looking right now? LOL, what a nice demonstration of own dumbness! I thought that nothing would be able to surpass your messages about trucks of stolen coal, but I'm glad to see that I was wrong about that. Or even more... Dude, I have to congratulate you because I can't even choose right noun to describe your level of absolute stupidity! Thank you for good laugh. Since when François Holland president of "FRANCE" is Belgian ?? LoL , and he has nothing to do with Belgium ??
Europe parlement is in Belgium ... this is mean this is driven/managed by belgium citizen , of course not ...
Against you proove your weakness and lack of situation ... pathetic .... really and of course once again you will tell that we lie ... russia is well trainned to lie.
liying during more 20 years to have killing more 200 officiers at the end of WW2 ... does it ring a bell for u ? Katyn massacre
LoLHo yes we waitted the end of URSS to get official russian document prooving that german never killed them ....
Propaganda ... russian are only good on this point ....
Nemo1024
I think you missed #sarcasm tag. This tag is necessary for compatibility with some demotards who usually suffer from absence of abstract thinking.
you have to excuse him. he tried to discredit, but failed. in france the humor is on different level perhaps. too advanced for us to comprehend.
LoL Have you been to school ? Or geography is just a myth for u ? I know book with western country was forbidden not long time ago for russian ... but please you have a brain LoL ...
Since when François Holland president of "FRANCE" is Belgian ?? LoL , and he has nothing to do with Belgium ??
Europe parlement is in Belgium ... this is mean this is driven/managed by belgium citizen , of course not ...
Against you proove your weakness and lack of situation ... pathetic .... really and of course once again you will tell that we lie ... russia is well trainned to lie.
liying during more 20 years to have killing more 200 officiers at the end of WW2 ... does it ring a bell for u ? Katyn massacre LoL
Ho yes we waitted the end of URSS to get official russian document prooving that german never killed them ....
Propaganda ... russian are only good on this point ....
How old are you bruh? You are going to have to excuse me, but do you have an idea of how foolish you're looking right now? LOL, what a nice demonstration of own dumbness! I thought that nothing would be able to surpass your messages about trucks of stolen coal, but I'm glad to see that I was wrong about that. Or even more... Dude, I have to congratulate you because I can't even choose right noun to describe your level of absolute stupidity! Thank you for good laugh. Since when François Holland president of "FRANCE" is Belgian ?? LoL , and he has nothing to do with Belgium ??
Europe parlement is in Belgium ... this is mean this is driven/managed by belgium citizen , of course not ...
Against you proove your weakness and lack of situation ... pathetic .... really and of course once again you will tell that we lie ... russia is well trainned to lie.
liying during more 20 years to have killing more 200 officiers at the end of WW2 ... does it ring a bell for u ? Katyn massacre
LoLHo yes we waitted the end of URSS to get official russian document prooving that german never killed them ....
Propaganda ... russian are only good on this point ....
Nemo1024
I think you missed #sarcasm tag. This tag is necessary for compatibility with some demotards who usually suffer from absence of abstract thinking.
The problem is not where nice Russian people put their beautiful country.
The problem is where the Kremlin puts the Russian Army.
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These are only a few of the reasons why the countries in galdur's funny picture welcome NATO with open arms and great relief.
The problem is where the Kremlin puts the Russian Army.
....
These are only a few of the reasons why the countries in galdur's funny picture welcome NATO with open arms and great relief.
when blaming USSR for something, don't forget to spread the blame, and not shift it onto Russians as it is dictated by your current political agenda.
Where I "spread the blame" isn't important. My "current political agenda" has nothing to so with this.
What matters is where countries harmed by the Kremlin spread the blame. They spread it all over Red Square.
It's no surprise their current political agenda is to join NATO as soon as possible, all of your Russplaining notwithstanding.
You know there are a lot of people who are tired of those damned Belgians. Belgians stopped the South Stream project by sabotaging it. Currently the Belgians are driving German economy to ruin. This damned Belgian Angela Merkel is not hearing her own business circles in Germany. Oh, and Belgian Francois Hollande, despite the French best interests, killed its ship-building industry. Yes, Belgians are evil. Many Europeans are spreading the blame all over Brussels now.
Oh, and show me countries that are newly rushing to join NATO, where either a colour revolution or a substantial buying off of the politicians by US was not needed first.
Your statement is exactly the reason why you should differentiate between Russia and Soviet Union. Under Soviet Union, Russia was an occupied country, itself a victim. During coup d'etat of 1917 Russia was essentially hijacked, anyone who resisted killed off (much like today in Ukraine - anyone against forced Westernasation now falls victim of lustration), and the state and its structure destroyed. Russia (RSFSR) had the least say in running of USSR, and its territories were treated as private property of the USSR leaders, to be given away at a whim (Novorossia, South Ossetia, Crimea). If USSR's capital were in Kiev, would you be blaming Ukrainians, and if in Tbilisi, would Georgians be the bad guys today?
LoL Have you been to school ? Or geography is just a myth for u ? I know book with western country was forbidden not long time ago for russian ... but please you have a brain LoL ...
Since when François Holland president of "FRANCE" is Belgian ?? LoL , and he has nothing to do with Belgium ??
Europe parlement is in Belgium ... this is mean this is driven/managed by belgium citizen , of course not ...
Against you proove your weakness and lack of situation ... pathetic .... really and of course once again you will tell that we lie ... russia is well trainned to lie.
liying during more 20 years to have killing more 200 officiers at the end of WW2 ... does it ring a bell for u ? Katyn massacre
LoLHo yes we waitted the end of URSS to get official russian document prooving that german never killed them ....
Propaganda ... russian are only good on this point ....
Tsunami of Dollars Just Waiting for Opportunity to Return to US
http://www.silverdoctors.com/alasdair-macleod-tsunami-of-dollars-just-waiting-for-opportunity-to-return-to-us/#more-49231
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