Topic: Dragon Knights of Valeria - Get paid to play! BTC/LTC/HTML5/HYPER/GP/MOON/RBIES - page 31. (Read 59325 times)

Personally, I don't think there's a need to remove Outposts. A Lv 1 Outpost generally takes 30-40 days to break even on resources, scaling up to 60-80 days for a Lv 10 Outpost, so it's understandable that people don't seize them because they can be easily seized by larger players afterwards. But if you think about it, villages suffer from the same issue as well, but there's not much aggression happening on that front in general. If making RoI on Outposts really becomes a major issue, then we can just have it so that Outposts cannot be abandoned nor attacked by another player for 30 days after being seized. That would give the player who took the initiative to attack an Outpost enough time to conjure up enough defenses for it. If anything, I think we should be getting better incentives from attacking Outposts instead. (And yes, this is a biased sentiment coming from someone who holds a few Outposts scattered all over the map.)

Character Name: Rimuru

I do have one quick idea - if you are thinking of removing Outposts, instead you might considering scaling down the cost in troops it takes to seize even one square. I think there would be more interest in them if it didn't cost an enormous number of troops just to seize something that provides a couple of one resource per hour.

Thanks for the updates, I look forward to seeing what you bring to the game in future versions. I'd be interested to see what gets removed. The game is huge right now and a little overwhelming to a new player. And take your time, software development is best done not under pressure.

I've been modifying the game code over time to run more efficiently, some major changes to the explore system was made during the last major update and I have some further changes to do to the quest system which will also impact page load times for users and make the game run faster while exploring.

Once the game is fully optimized it should take out a lot of the page load time but not all of it due to the amount of code involved. If you take a look at the original game it is really fast in regards to movement. The only slow parts is the fight page. The reason for this is the original version doesn't have anything other than fighting compared to DKV's quest system, villages, npcs, etc etc.

I might be removing some stuff from the game that isn't used hardly which will also help. Just will take some time as it is just me again for right now and the game hasn't really had a team working on it outside of me and Epiales, which I did most of the work anyway.

OK, I apologize for bringing it up. I had no idea it would really be that significant an impact on the server. Guess I and other satellite ISP players will adapt, as I have with other games when I found myself in a similar situation. (I figured that since my overall resource gain rate was still lower than on a regular connection that, by definition, I couldn't be impacting the server any harder than a regular player playing normally.)

An observation and a question. I play DKV in the evening over a satellite ISP (Dish), which is horribly laggy. As such I'm always interested in ways I can reduce the handicap I face playing games online.

Last night I thought I found such an improvement when I discovered that when grinding for resources in the Ranger station, I could click multiple times on the "Yes" button to mine the resource in question, using up all my TP in one shot. For example, I currently have just over 500 TP, and by clicking on the Yes button five times with the 100 TP option enabled I was able to mine five times, much faster than going back and forth and doing everything one at a time. I tested it (similar to the runs I described in a prior post) and discovered that instead of only gathering 40% as many resources as I could with a regular internet connection, I was able to gather 95% as many resources.

So I was a bit disappointed with this technique suddenly evaporated earlier toay. I'm guessing Anarchist noticed what he considered a glitch or exploit or something and "fixed" it, to my detriment. That is, the "Yes" button now instantly disappears after the first click. Of course, I don't know how this may impact server lag and so forth - maybe it is unacceptable from that standpoint. But it sure is a disappointment to me.

So I just wanted to ask if there was any possibility that such multi-clicking could be reinstated? Or perhaps a button could be added that would let us gather resources for as many times as we have remaining TP at the 100 TP/cycle rate? That would reduce stress on the server overall, so it might be the better option now that I think about it. [Edit: In addition, 1 turn should be deducted per 100 TP used up, of course.]

Thanks for any consideration,
EnderWiggin

[EDIT: Curiouser and curiouser. I was grinding fish all day today, and happened to try the other resources only just now. I discovered that the "Yes" button only instantly disappears when fishing! On all the rest it remains, so I am able to multi-click as described above. It is repeatable and stable. But I've no idea why the one would be different from the rest.]

Sounds very interesting. Sounds like a flaw in the system to me if resources can be generated so quickly. You must be a pretty high level to have 500TP my max is only 42

An observation and a question. I play DKV in the evening over a satellite ISP (Dish), which is horribly laggy. As such I'm always interested in ways I can reduce the handicap I face playing games online.

Last night I thought I found such an improvement when I discovered that when grinding for resources in the Ranger station, I could click multiple times on the "Yes" button to mine the resource in question, using up all my TP in one shot. For example, I currently have just over 500 TP, and by clicking on the Yes button five times with the 100 TP option enabled I was able to mine five times, much faster than going back and forth and doing everything one at a time. I tested it (similar to the runs I described in a prior post) and discovered that instead of only gathering 40% as many resources as I could with a regular internet connection, I was able to gather 95% as many resources.

So I was a bit disappointed with this technique suddenly evaporated earlier toay. I'm guessing Anarchist noticed what he considered a glitch or exploit or something and "fixed" it, to my detriment. That is, the "Yes" button now instantly disappears after the first click. Of course, I don't know how this may impact server lag and so forth - maybe it is unacceptable from that standpoint. But it sure is a disappointment to me.

So I just wanted to ask if there was any possibility that such multi-clicking could be reinstated? Or perhaps a button could be added that would let us gather resources for as many times as we have remaining TP at the 100 TP/cycle rate? That would reduce stress on the server overall, so it might be the better option now that I think about it. [Edit: In addition, 1 turn should be deducted per 100 TP used up, of course.]

Thanks for any consideration,
EnderWiggin

[EDIT: Curiouser and curiouser. I was grinding fish all day today, and happened to try the other resources only just now. I discovered that the "Yes" button only instantly disappears when fishing! On all the rest it remains, so I am able to multi-click as described above. It is repeatable and stable. But I've no idea why the one would be different from the rest.]

Yes, the villages are a good source of DP. If you find yourself unable to play for long periods of time, then logging in at regular intervals to sweep your villages of resources will provide you with a steady flow of gold and DP. If your inability to play consistently persists, then you can still build a village to a sufficiently high level and sell it for DP or coins on the Village Market.

Logging in every few hours to collect some gold from your kingdom's treasury is also helpful even if you can't play all the time.

There are really a lot of ways to play even if your schedule is inconsistent. You just need to click around the website and check out what's available.

Character Name: Rimuru

I was wondering about the significance of the the villages now I understand a lot more. I wasn't really doing much with them, I'll start upgrading.

I think the main bulk of the game's income is from people buying upgrades (indeed once you have an upgrade it gets rid of the ads for you unless you deliberately choose to have them shown) - there are a number of different income streams for the game, advertising is probably one of the smaller ones.  (So from that point of view don't worry, the game has seen a lot of small balance changes over time and Anarchist is very careful to make a game that is both enjoyable to play and sustainable.)

There isn't a huge amount of advertising on the site. I hope the game is sustainable in the long run, as its really enjoyable.

Here's some more actual data I've collected playing this game. My character EnderWiggin is an ULT+, level 120-121 when these tests were run. Each is based on multiple 12-minute controlled runs in which I did nothing but fight, and grind resources at the Ranger when I hit a camp. Extrapolated over an hourly scale I got the following results:

Over a high-bandwidth (normal for most people) internet connection, hourly rate of:
1,220,000 gold
5,567 dragon points
101,250 resources
1,400,000 experience points.

Over my regular satellite (slow) ISP, my hourly rate was:
900,972 gold
3,025 dragon points
69,000 resources
646,300 experience points.

The only difference besides the ISP was that I shifted from a gold bonus of +40% and good attack/defense gear with the faster ISP, to gold bonus +100% with lesser combat gear in the slower ISP testing.

Hope this helps,
EnderWiggin

Thanks for the explanation, much better than my usual 'No clue, just depends on how much you play' reply

To add to it, the most players can earn by fighting monsters is 30/35 DP as an ULT/ULT+ player for killing normal/boss monsters. You can also gain up to 14400 DP per day as an ULT/ULT+ player if you have 20 villages upgraded.

Then if you tack on the daily bonuses, daily quests, resource markets, and pvp your earnings can increase by a lot.

Starting out will be slow but gradually increases the longer you play.

Your "earnings" primarily come from the amount of Dragon Points that you can accumulate, which are highly dependent on how often you play the game and how far along your progress is in the game. The higher your character's level is and the more source of Dragon Points you can acquire for yourself, then the higher your "earnings' will be. However, if you're just starting out, then you'll find that you will most likely be getting less coins than you would from a faucet given the same amount of time playing. Once you become accustomed to the game and learn more about the various features of the game, you can figure out a good playtime-to-coin ratio that suits your schedule.

There isn't a definite "average BTC profit" because everyone plays differently. I'll try to relate the typical game scenario in numbers -- hopefully, it's accurate enough.

1 Dragon Point (DP) converts to 1 satoshi

1 battle with a regular mob = 1 DP (early levels)
1 battle with a boss mob = 2 DP (early levels)

Assuming that it takes 1 attack to defeat a mob, then battles should take about 3-10 seconds to finish (counting the result page), depending on your latency and page loading speed.

You have to explore the map in order to have a battle encounter. Let's assume that it takes your browser 1-2 seconds to load the page during exploration, not counting latency issues. Assuming that you encounter a mob after every 2 squares of the map explored, then it should take you at least 5-14 seconds to get 1-2 DP (1-2 satoshis).

Once your character levels up, you are immediately awarded with 1000 DP (1000 satoshis), but the time required to level up increases proportionally to your character's level.

Considering only battles, you might make about 10000 satoshis during your first day (an hour or so total playtime) due to leveling up easily. After that, your "earnings" might significantly decrease or stay relatively stable, depending on how much you play.

There are also other sources of DP, so can also take advantage of those when you encounter or find out about them.

On average, if you don't intend to play the game frequently, then you might not get as many coins as you would just visiting one of the higher-paying faucets. I suggest playing the game for the sake of playing and not "earning", or you'll end up having a tedious experience. That's not to say that you won't get a lot of coins playing -- you should be able to as long as you find your stride. However, the game requires greater involvement than just typing or clicking captchas, so you should focus on enjoying the gaming experience rather than how much you can get from playing it.

Character Name: Rimuru

Your "earnings" primarily come from the amount of Dragon Points that you can accumulate, which are highly dependent on how often you play the game and how far along your progress is in the game. The higher your character's level is and the more source of Dragon Points you can acquire for yourself, then the higher your "earnings' will be. However, if you're just starting out, then you'll find that you will most likely be getting less coins than you would from a faucet given the same amount of time playing. Once you become accustomed to the game and learn more about the various features of the game, you can figure out a good playtime-to-coin ratio that suits your schedule.

There isn't a definite "average BTC profit" because everyone plays differently. I'll try to relate the typical game scenario in numbers -- hopefully, it's accurate enough.

1 Dragon Point (DP) converts to 1 satoshi

1 battle with a regular mob = 1 DP (early levels)
1 battle with a boss mob = 2 DP (early levels)

Assuming that it takes 1 attack to defeat a mob, then battles should take about 3-10 seconds to finish (counting the result page), depending on your latency and page loading speed.

You have to explore the map in order to have a battle encounter. Let's assume that it takes your browser 1-2 seconds to load the page during exploration, not counting latency issues. Assuming that you encounter a mob after every 2 squares of the map explored, then it should take you at least 5-14 seconds to get 1-2 DP (1-2 satoshis).

Once your character levels up, you are immediately awarded with 1000 DP (1000 satoshis), but the time required to level up increases proportionally to your character's level.

Considering only battles, you might make about 10000 satoshis during your first day (an hour or so total playtime) due to leveling up easily. After that, your "earnings" might significantly decrease or stay relatively stable, depending on how much you play.

There are also other sources of DP, so can also take advantage of those when you encounter or find out about them.

On average, if you don't intend to play the game frequently, then you might not get as many coins as you would just visiting one of the higher-paying faucets. I suggest playing the game for the sake of playing and not "earning", or you'll end up having a tedious experience. That's not to say that you won't get a lot of coins playing -- you should be able to as long as you find your stride. However, the game requires greater involvement than just typing or clicking captchas, so you should focus on enjoying the gaming experience rather than how much you can get from playing it.

Character Name: Rimuru