Topic: DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com - page 28. (Read 87857 times)

Halong's Manufacturing Statement here:

https://halongmining.com/blog/2018/04/24/dragonmint-t1-manufacturing-update/

Interesting tiblets:


There's the unused chip slots being used! From my teardown, there are 10 available chip slots. So I'd say T3 may be a fine tuned variant of the T1, with all the chips. Lot of power consumption though, I don't think the current iteration PSU's can support them being fully populated. Maybe on efficient settings.

Here's the available slots:
https://i.imgur.com/N2ya4s6.jpg

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Yeah, go ahead and tell that to those who bought the first color TVs or those who bought first smartphones with a web browser on a small screen and no support for Macromedia's Flash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

I try to commiserate with you about how do you feel about being on the receiving end of obsolescence caused by the technological progress. But I can't seem to muster more than about ±5% of expected variation.

You can try to sound all high and mighty but you just come across as an asshole.

The machine does not work as claimed out of the box. Your argument is completely meaningless. I dont care if you think its acceptable to go around individually asking every pool in the world to upgrade, that is not an acceptable answer.

Nobody buys a miner expecting they have to contact every single pool they want to use it on and hope that each of those people is willing to go out of their way, for free, to modify code to make it work.

Missed it.. so five pools  allow the t1

Yes it does; I announced support for it on the solo pool thread a long time ago but no one noticed (or perhaps cared.)

Thanks to philipma1957 I've typed in the visible information from the original image of the Halong's QA tool.

Everyone is welcome to make their speculation. We especially welcome those who can read Chinese and translate the column titles.

10.31	83/76/0
14.70	75/77/78
15.29	74/77/76
14.50	76/70/72
14.65	77/72/74
15.65	75/73/77
14.89	75/70/67
15.25	81/73/83
15.47	78/77/76
14.98	75/75/77
15.14	77/73/77
14.94	82/80/77
14.92	79/76/77
15.28	82/77/81
15.14	79/74/81
15.54	85/80/78

I will link these

https://i.imgur.com/15PnVrG.png

https://i.imgur.com/YV75vKC.png


oh I also offered to point a T1 for testing  to any pool that wants to add asicboost


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-question-to-any-and-all-sha-256-pool-owners-3388719

here is thread

As a service to community I wanted to retype the data from that screenshot. But unfortunately it got already replaced with a new one showing better numbers in a narrower range and this time it doesn't show the titles of the columns, which were in Chinese characters. All I remember that there was at least one row showing 10.XX TH/s and XX/XX/0 in the next column.

Maybe someone here has a browser with larger on-disk cache and can dig up the original image?

It is fun to watch the propaganda sausage being made.

Thank you  to me any pool not owned by bitmain should do it.

Thanks for adding it.

I will continue to point 1 of the five T1's at your pool

and your pool is the only one with merged mining allowing both BTC and NMC to be mined.

So why are so few pools supporting version-rolled ASICBoost?

It was easy to do and I didn't see any reason not to.

Yes, it will trigger warnings like "3 of last 100 blocks have unexpected version" in Bitcoin Core. But this can be easily fixed.

IMO, ASICBoost is just a simple optimization. Patents and arguing about whether it is wrong to use it is just dumb. Let everyone use ASICBoost, same as everyone started using various GPU mining optimizations that were discovered throughout 2011. That is now possible. Let all miner manufacturers speed up their miners and life goes on.

I kinda like reading your posts. It is like watching in real time the rise of class consciousness in the oppressed proletariat. I had this in school in the political science classes and at that time I could not understand most of the material. Why people won't learn? They certainly can read and the libraries are free of charge? What is their problem?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto

Now we have nearly-free flat-rate Internet and the problem is very similar. The information is out there, free for anyone to read. But the mining proletariat prefers reading propaganda, indulge in fanboism and other partisan behavior. Nowadays I would blame it on overabundance of information.

I have to at least give to you that you've shown at least a single thought of your own and didn't just regurgitate somebody's else ideas. Up till now I haven't seen anyone referring to accepting ASICboost-ed blocks with rolling version numbers as "temporary workaround". So this must be your own thought.

So  3 major sha 256 builders

bitmain s-9  they lie about asic boost they can mine with it when the want or not mine with it.  they do not offer this option to us

halong t1  they did not say the miner would be limited to  2 pools (now 4) they were not asked so legally they did not lie. but they practiced a deception.

avalon 841  was listed to mine in a 40 c room   they changed spec to 30c. this will be an issue for me in the summer.


all of the above have sent me gear

of the three  halong is not sending it for free and has discussed with me if I want to keep them or send them back we are at the point of me waiting for his price for the gear .

both bitmain and avalon  have sent free gear to me.

So  all 3 companies  have done wrong stuff.

and your complaint about the t1 is easy to fix as each and every sha pool op has the option to allow the gear to work or not work.

So you can stop saying I shill for Halong or bitmain or Avalon I don't.

and if people had waited like I told them to they would not have placed orders  from black friday until this april.


Once MyRig tells me what he wants for the gear I will either buy it or send it back.

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Oh, well, I understand the perils of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom_trawling or being a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom_feeder .

At those depths the alt-/shit-/scam-/etc- coins have so little daylight coming in that those coins and pools have less than one full time developer available to implement the changes.

But this is your opportunity to move up the food chain. Even with very little coding skills you could see what were the changes made by -ck in his pool code and by the Core team in the official Bitcoin client. Even if those highly visible projects wouldn't accept your pull requests some of those less visible repositories would welcome them.

This is the way to personally affect your destiny, you don't have to always be the one that's getting oppressed.

so ur confirming that the t1 is hardware locked to only allowing asicboost correct?? address all of the issues before u start spewing nonsense phil. u can have a million pools able to mine using asicboost but by ignoring the issues u put ur rep out there and tell folks its ok to be duped and lied to. its ok to use miners that are hardware locked to 1 form of mining and at present 1 coin. that customers should expect to be ripped off by a company they trusted with their money. in the end it only shows that free machines will change ur mind and ur able to be bought and traded just as easily as the folks u deemed unfit to provide their opinion lol. its a shame that ur willin to promo a company for so little. I guess the truely trusted members should be the ones that get 0 hardware from companies or that do get hardware to test and immediately send it back or give it away to the community....basically folks that dont gain something to sway their opinion one way or another. once u decided to accept free hardware to change ur opinion u turned into someone u openly made comments about on the forums lol. sad



no one is sayin it cant be done. almost anything is possible really. its possible to own my own tiger....i can drive a new car every day of the week....i can live in a 50 room house with 8 pools but none of that changes the facts i keep mentioning. they lied to customers and misrepresented the specs of the miner in order to gain sales. Folks that are paid shills have and still are (phil) trying to bolster the rep of these companies so they get a little money or hardware in return which is equally as wrong.

the correct solution to this problem would have been to not lie to begin with. they could have produced a chip that had the best of both worlds. the fact that u consider a change to pool software to allow for things a solution proves ur ignorance. a solution is one that doesnt cause other people (pool opps etc) un needed stress and annoyance. what ur suggesting is a band aid. its like using duct tape to fix a leaky pipe. it may work in the short term as a work around but the issue should have been resolved at the earliest design stages and the face that they pre sold machines knowing they were lyin to customers proves they were bein greedy and r now havin less and less positive comments posted about these machines.


right u r my friend. i think he meant "temp work around" because theres no way he meant solution. nothin like hearin folks that think altering the code of their site simply to allow a lyin companies products to be used there. theres no possible way thats a solution.

Yeah, it's definitely limiting. What if a person had planned to point their miner at a list of profit switching pools and profit switch from the list of them? (Maybe, Nicehash, Zpool, and Miningpoolhub for starters) There could be 150 different SHA-256 based coins mined and auto exchanged for BTC in that scenario, and there'd be no way to make it work with all of them even if the pool wanted to, the coin developers would all have to get involved, and there would need to be consensus.

Why I would care about understanding what you (and your ilk) posted? I understand the source code of Bitcoin and the alt-coins developed based on Bitcoin's code. They respective coin daemons supported ASICboost long before the patent was published. The entirety of problems with ASICboost was that their code outputted a warning about "unexpected packet version numbers" (or some such).

This is the fun and interesting part about Bitcoin (and other cryptocoins): the source code is the law. One could safely ignore what do people say and write and just look at the code.

I'm not even posting this to convince you. All I need to know is that you are voicing the problems that are facing many other miners. The solution for their problems (of lack of support of ASICboost) is to modify/loosen some conditional tests in their mining pool software. Somebody less mentally agitated than you will read what I wrote and actually implement those changes.

Your level anger is directly proportional to your inability to code the appropriate changes. If you knew how to code you would've known how easy is to effect the required change. So the real problem is your learned helplessness.

So at this time  the T1  can mine BTC and NMC at 1 pool bitminter.

It can mine BTC at -ck pool
It can mine BTC at slush pool

and it can mine at an Indian pool btc ----- I have not verified this.


PPC pools have refused to change to allow  the t1 to mine they could do this.

So most of the t1 issues are  because pools are boycotting it as I understand the problem.

I don't even know if the T1 can mine at -ck solo pool  which would be a 5th pool

i get what ur sayin but ur telling me that folks have to "pester" other coins to allow this to work. if bitmain made the s9 to allow asic boost to be turned on and off at will (via the firmware like posted before) y did dragonmint not do the same?? y did they force it??

when u buy a miner that is advertised as being able to mine a coin algo u expect that to be the case right?? lets say we have 5 coins in that algo...they thing hey i can mine in 5 locations if i so choose. the problem is they dont allow it here. these hardware requires all these changes and its downright pointless. again if bitmain can add asicboost select ability y cant ne one else?? and i believe the answer is because they would have had to advertise the hashrate as being lower than the s9 blowing away their claims of having the fastest most efficient miner. that is false advertising and they clearly relied on their wording to mislead customers big time.

Apparently you've fallen for some propaganda. The miner doesn't know what coin it is mining, all it cares is that it has the well known 80-byte header structure with 32-bit nonce in a known position and SHA-256 applied twice. In addition to the above boosted miner cares about the position of packet version bits in the header.

All Bitcoin-derived coins use the same header format and nearly identical software. To enable ASICboost for them is nearly trivial and involves mostly removing (or loosening) some corner-case checking code.


I understand coin mining quite well, I worked on and modified mining software and developed FPGA mining hardware.

It is you who doesn't understand the code and had fallen for propaganda. All you need to do is pester the alternative coin mining pool operator to ignore certain bits in the packet version field and slightly augment the handshake that establishes the connection to the pool. The required changes are nearly trivial, couple of lines of code.

these miners werent made like s9's. asicboost cant be turned on and off like the s9's can. they require asicboost period. multiple people have posted about this including me in the many pages so far. unfortunately the so called "trusted" members ignore these posts so other folks dont consider them valid. This is why they were only able to mine on 2 pools when they came out. adding another pool doesnt change the fact that u can only mine 1 coin and it requires asicboost.

i should also add that if bitmain advertised any of their s9's with 20% boosted specs because of asicboost i would say the same thing i have been sayin. My views on the shadiness of how halong handled this wont ever change and should apply to every company in the future. however no one can say bitmain did the same sort of thing to ne of them. bitmain listed specs and thats the base spec of the miner nothin more nothin less. we can agree their miners hash at spec all the time depending on the psu used and the variations to the specs r within the numbers they give. ONTOP of that they provide refunds and coupons to customers that did get shorted. Those r the marks of a trusted company. Theres a reason they r the largest out there. Do i agree with everything?? fuckkkkk no but when set side by side bitmain hasnt done the shit halong has done to their customers right after sending machines out. Right outta the gate halong  dropped the ball on every single customer. thats a huge deal!!!! if bitmain did that they would lose cred with all of us but what happens to halong?? halong has 0 cred with the community....they have 0 history with ne thing....so they have no cred to lose lol. its like they r doomin the company from the start. thats what greed gets u unfortunately.



ur not understanding...u cant go mine peercoin with these machines. u cant go mine bch with these things. u cant go mine a new coin that comes out tomorrow (idk of ne but lets say one dropped tomorrow). ur stuck mining btc only with no choice. ur also limited to 3 pools now. if the pool turned off asicboost support right now all of the dragonmints would die. understand now??



I genuinely feel bad for these folks. what im more annoyed about r the "trusted" members that talked down to me and made my comments seem like they r invalid. They couldnt and wouldnt argue against them...it felt like how folks in politics say minorities r bein kept down and when i say im not holdin ne one back and instead of tryin to dispute my claim they flat out call me racist or a nazi (im a jew btw which is kinda funny since isnt assumin race also a form of racism??). yet when many more folks including ones from associated companies r posting info that kinda destroys the dragonmint image so early in its founding those very same trusted members are no where to be found. Even more interesting are the situations where they were calling these things vaporware but after getting free machines or special stuff their views changed to one that defends the company and their bizz practices.

i still havent seen ne thing being offered to the customers that got duped by this whole asicboost/pool restriction/out of spec mining situation. claiming 16th/s when the base speed is technically about 20% less is false advertising. they knew what they were doing with their wording but they pushed on ne way. customers should be lining to get partial refunds for hardware not delivered on time and that isnt mining to specs posted by them. remember guys....u didnt post the specs. u didnt determine what the miner would hash at and u werent a part of the design/dev of the miners so y r u guys so accepting of the kick to the nutz u have been given?? u overpaid for the machines and they have under delivered and lied to ur faces. stand up for yourselves people!