Topic: [DSH] Dashcoin (Cryptonote, automated source) - page 7. (Read 216708 times)

Well in your previous posting you counselled


and in this last one you've said


They seem to be in opposing directions.

I'll just follow the first one.




Good night (or morning or afternoon) smooth.

The lack of success should tell you -- and quite objectively so -- that your approach is totally dysfunctional and misguided.

Stuff like "why don't you ask your own developer" comes off as hostile frankly. Making statements that basically amount to "we bought it, get over it" comes off as arrogant and not going to "negate any misunderstanding." I think they "understand" quite well what you are tying to do and they don't like it one bit.

If people here want to continue their project, they will, if they don't they won't. If anything you are just encouraging them to do whatever is the opposite of what they think you want. But hey, I have plenty of popcorn, so if you want to continue with this attempt at DRK's version of diplomacy, carry on.

I'm attempting to negate misunderstanding and misperception that's leading to acrimony and self victimisation. I'm speaking what I know to be true and valid. There is merit (I believe) in what I'm saying. And many people from DRK/DASH have attempted to be empathetic too, but without much success. How you and other people here choose to view what I'm doing is of course of your own deciding. I certainly mean no harm but try to break people's mesmerism that entraps them so badly when it is obviously overpowering them like it is with arielbit.

The actions of DRK/Evan are being perceived as bullying by the dashcoin community. That is a huge part of the main definition of bullying (intimidation by a perceived power imbalance), but even if it were not, it doesn't really matter.

Either way you're doing DRK/Evan no favors here. As you say, it will play out how it plays out. Best to let it happen quietly.

None of this stuff in crypto works the way most people think it does. There are numerous areas that haven't had precedents set yet. There are legal minefields that haven't even been laid yet. But Evan has worked very hard on the Darkcoin project and he's not just going to throw it all away. There are many challenges yet to come but this isn't one of the big ones.


"bullying"...oh pleeaase! Where in any of my posts have I bullied anyone here? I have not used words or phrases that would come even close to qualify for bullying. You really need to take that back as I write with considerable care to avoid degrading or abusive language as it's not in my nature.

No you can not. You can acquire a product (or product line) that has a brand name.

Furthermore, even if a trademarked product line is acquired, people who have legally acquired items produced by the previous trademark owner can continue to trade those items under their existing name. I'm not required to remove the brand from my Chrysler just because Chrysler has been sold. Application of this principle to virtual property is something you can work out on your own, I believe.

This all doesn't work anything like the way you think it works, and the fact that you can't actually "acquire" a decentralized open source project or a decentralized cryptocurrency at all complicate things further.

The best thing for you to do here is leave the dashcoin community alone before you do even more damage to the reputation of your project and your leader with this relentless bullying.

Ok, thanks!

You can acquire "a name" that is a trademark or a brand name (and the intellectual property that goes with it). It happens in commercial transactions all over the planet thousands of time every year. The open source code of course can't be acquired but the dev's repo can.

Time will tell as to how it all plays out but one thing I know for sure, Evan Duffield is not an underhanded person who engages in dubious transactions. Nor is he a fool.

DRK bought the github repo. The coin is fine.

Actually no. You (and probably Evan) really need to learn something about trademarks. You can't "acquire a name." It doesn't work that way. You (apparently) acquired a github repo and maybe some websites. Enjoy them.

If you actually had an enforceable trademark you could, at some point in the future, demand that the dashcoin community stop using it. I personally doubt that will ever happen, but you never know anything is possible.

Until then people who have already been using the name in their own dealings are free to continue doing so.

DRK bought this coin?

Perhaps if you read it and take in the logic of what I'm talking about you'll have less feeling of losing your mind.


You can keep repeating "the world is flat, the world is flat" till you're blue in the face. It doesn't make it true

Oh I "get it" smooth, way way more than you are perceiving. I know what open source is, I've worked in amongst it for decades.

I know slb is only the original developer (well, of his parts....not the original original) and that anyone can take over. That's the core essence of open source but it's not the core essence of a brand name which can be "owned" hence bought and sold. And that's all that's happened here, a commercial transaction has taken place.

Evan has acquired the name from someone who wanted to sell it. It's a perfectly valid commercial undertaking.

But now you guys need to demonstrate YOUR understanding of open source and that devs are not "some kind of deity" and stop tarnishing and slandering Evan.

Just get on with your own stuff and focus on the future for your project!

Another "wrong people" here lol

Thought you're gonna say something new here with your very long post.

And please don't post here another of your short story.they suck.i think i'm gonna lose my mind here.

Imagine that! An actual decentralized open source project that doesn't worship its dev as some kind of deity. Maybe they don't actually care about this 'slb' character (especially now) and are really only interested in the project and the coin itself.

You still don't get it. Open source projects are not companies, and the dev does not "own" the project. Anyone can contribute, and if new people want to join the project and take the place of slb who seems to be gone now, they can certainly do so, just as many abandoned or mismanaged open source projects have been adopted by new developers.

I have no idea if this is actually going to happen, but if dashcoin supporters want to keep going, I say go for it.

Evan Duffield might not be the enemy in your view but he has treated the dashcoin community with disdain and disrespect, and as nothing more than a pawn in his supposedly more important plans. You're not helping matters either.

Arielbit, I've read just about all of your posts on here & the DRK/DASH thread, including your responses to DRK/DASH people and your ongoing overall expressions of unfairness and upset over what you perceive to be an attempt by Darkcoin to destroy Dashcoin. There's a part of me that has some empathy for the situation you've found yourself in but it's rapidly being completely overtaken by a sense of indifference because of the never ending determination you have to label DRK/DASH as this heinous aggressor who has come and "attacked" Dashcoin and tried to destroy it. So attached to this line of thinking are you, you might as well be saying DRK/DASH is trying to destroy YOU personally!

You just keep going on and on and on and on with the same line, the same determined questioning of why DRK/DASH has acquired Dashcoin's code & name and the same outrage directed at virtually everyone that's identified themselves from the DRK/DASH community. Yet, I don't think I've read one post where you're openly speaking to slb and asking him or her "Why have you sold out?" or "Why did you decide to abandon us, your Dashcoin community?" or "Why have you given up on Dashcoin?" Not one! It's like you've identified that DSH/DARK people are there, they're living, breathing and they're responsive so you're going to just go on and on and on and on and on with these never ending complaints and accusations of foul play and underhandedness towards DRK/DASH because....well because....because the Dashcoin dev is gone so "I have to find someone else to blame and DRK/DASH is it damn it!"

But as I've pointed out numerous times now, it's not DRK/DASH that you should be directing your rage to. Dashcoin still exists, it's still functioning, it's still being traded (at multiples of its previous price) and it's still a working crypto. Nothing has changed except slb decided to sell out which means you no longer have a dev and, if Dashcoin is to continue being developed, someone has to step forward, fork the existing code base and move on with a new dev or group of devs. Nothing has been "destroyed", nothing has been taken from you that you legally owned and you have no legal claim to the intellectual property or brand of Dashcoin because it isn't yours to own (just like I own the value of the physical money in my pocket, but the design of the coins and notes and the manner in which they work I have no claim on; they're the property of the issuer).

That's it. There's nothing more. This never ending acrimony against DRK/DASH and accusations of unfairness/underhandedness is completely pointless. It has no logic to it. It has no potential to rectify your loss or even just your feeling of loss. It has no likelihood of "fixing" anything because it's entirely the wrong tree you're barking up.

Evan Duffield is not your enemy. All those DRK/DASH people you're having such heated debate with aren't your enemy. DRK/DASH itself is not your enemy. I am not your enemy.

Your enemy is ignorance and the consequences of it. That's where you need to be focussing your attention; your own lack of comprehension and thoroughness on what it means to invest in a cryptocoin with an anonymous dev who can walk at any moment leaving you holding coins that then have a dubious future unless someone takes over.

Honestly arielbit, that's who your enemy is. That's where you should be directing all this anger and angst towards; your own lack of understanding as to how this stuff works and what it is you've really bought when you purchase cryptocoins.

Demonising DRK/DASH people and trawling through a thousand hypotheses around how slb selling out to DRK/DASH isn't right and getting all upset and pissed off with people like me writing postings like this may give you a feeling of self righteousness but it's not going to fix anything because (and I know you hate hearing this but there's never been anything quite as true) WE ARE THE WRONG PEOPLE YOU SHOULD BE DIRECTING YOUR QUERIES TO.

Dashcoin's dev is who you need to be challenging, not DRK/DASH. It's Dashcoin's dev that's decided to stop being the dev and sell what he's produced to Evan Duffield. That's the reality of the situation and all this anger and rage towards DRK/DASH and its community isn't going to help one little bit.

(But I'm expecting you'll dig your heels in even further and respond to this post with a whole lot of angry rhetoric that once again totally misses the fundamental issue here on where your upset and unanswered questions should be directed and why that is so).

you always say the same but i cant see any proof for:
"while buying(can i use the word bribing?) the dev, leaving dashcoin community to rot and stealing the name must be fair for you?"

- there is no proof that your dev left because of an deal
- there is no proof of stealing your name (your name is still dashcoin, and drk is named dash and not dashcoin)

So like i told you many times, you are just speculating, none of this has proven.

Im not irrational, i just like facts, and there is no fact for your claims.
(Beside some trolls trolling dashcoin community and dash community to get a grunge between them for absolutly nothing)

and irrational too   lol my opinion is a buyout would be fair at least, while buying(can i use the word bribing?) the dev, leaving dashcoin community to rot and stealing the name must be fair for you?

PS: Funfact, are you trying to make an argument about this? lol... what did i say?......oh apparently greed can make a person, mute, blind, deaf and irrational too  

edit: a buyout in DRK would be nice so i'll have the pleasure of dumping it.

you are talking about greedy darkcoiners, and that the price is not everythig a coin makes and so on ...

but in the end you are the one who is greedy, or why do you want to get a buyout of your dashcoin from DASH?

PS: Funfact, you are talking about DASH is trying to destroy dashcoin, if anyone intends to do that, why is dashcoin still traded at poloniex? Wouldn't it be the first thing to start bribing exchanges to unlist if you want to kill a coin?

apparently greed can make a person, mute, blind and deaf 

another one there