Speaking of people with a lot of political capital, Loyce why haven't you excluded them yet? I'm just curious.
Topic: DT1-member included banned red-trusted users which increased his own Trust score (Read 771 times)
December 24, 2019, 02:19:08 PM
December 23, 2019, 09:32:35 PM
Week three klarki gains 20 distrusts, up from zero.
That's the result of this topic: the ones who distrusted klarki in this week also distrusted many others. Check the Trust feedback they received around that time.You can't blame klarki for this.
Absolutely not - as I found with studying the trust activities of irfan_pak10 it uncovered compelling evidence of another group of sock puppets adding literally hundreds of UID's to their trust list (including irfan_pak10).
Thanks for pointing that out.
December 23, 2019, 02:02:39 PM
Week three klarki gains 20 distrusts, up from zero.
That's the result of this topic: the ones who distrusted klarki in this week also distrusted many others. Check the Trust feedback they received around that time.You can't blame klarki for this.
December 23, 2019, 12:30:52 PM
Can you tell how long Klarki has had them on his trust list?
Good point: his Trust list is the same now as it was in January.Week three klarki gains 20 distrusts, up from zero.
Week four - four distrusts are removed.
Week seven - two distrusts are removed.
Week thirteen - three UID's klarki trusts and two UID's that klarki is trusted by are all banned. - (Connected??)
Week fifteen klarki gains two trusts - two weeks later one (lovesmayfamilis) is banned)
Week seventeen - fourth UID klarki trusts is banned and one that trusts them is banned (lovesmayfamilis)
Week 22 lovesmayfamilis is unbanned
Week 35 lovesmayfamilis is removed from trusting klarki
Hello, community!)
It's funny you're discussing me without me)
It's funny you're discussing me without me)
They do it all the time...
I can already confirm klarki removed the 3 banned users with negative feedback from his Trust list:
I count four.
*edit*
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Only lega46141 (banned, but no negative feedback) is still on it.
Opps, missed this.
December 22, 2019, 06:20:59 AM
Oh God that's fair. I mean measured and accurate.
Nice one LoyceV and also klarki for taking the feedback so well.
Nice one LoyceV and also klarki for taking the feedback so well.
December 22, 2019, 06:15:46 AM
Thread title doesn't seem Swiss exactly.
How's this:Quote
DT1-member included banned red-trusted users which increased his own Trust score
I can't add "solved" to the title, it's too long. December 22, 2019, 06:13:18 AM
Thread title doesn't seem Swiss exactly.
December 22, 2019, 04:57:20 AM
I really still do not understand why some users consider me a trust abuser.
I'll give you an example: I've received positive feedback from I'm on DT1, so if I would include DavidXXXX on my Trust list that would make him DT2 and my (green) Trust score would increase 1 point.
That would be Trust abuse.
In your case, I think you confused your Trust list with feedback, and all this happened long before you were on DT (and before the users got banned). I don't think you had bad intentions, but when you reach DT1, those decisions suddenly mean something for other users too. So it's good you reconsidered, thanks for that.
This is certainly true. Thanks for the explanation)
December 22, 2019, 04:39:02 AM
I really still do not understand why some users consider me a trust abuser.
I'll give you an example: I've received positive feedback from I'm on DT1, so if I would include DavidXXXX on my Trust list that would make him DT2 and my (green) Trust score would increase 1 point.
That would be Trust abuse.
In your case, I think you confused your Trust list with feedback, and all this happened long before you were on DT (and before the users got banned). I don't think you had bad intentions, but when you reach DT1, those decisions suddenly mean something for other users too. So it's good you reconsidered, thanks for that.
December 22, 2019, 04:23:25 AM
Thank you, I will once again reconsider my approach to the compilation of the trust list)
I really still do not understand why some users consider me a trust abuser.
I really still do not understand why some users consider me a trust abuser.
December 22, 2019, 04:07:38 AM
If you remove the banned members from your trust list I will remove your exclusion next week after checking Loyce's update.
I can already confirm klarki removed the 3 banned users with negative feedback from his Trust list:
Only lega46141 (banned, but no negative feedback) is still on it.
The part in red (if translated correctly) makes me think he confuse the Trust list with feedback.
What's wrong with that? I really formed my trust list solely on my relationships with forum users.LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system
It's been translated by the community for 10 local boards, which makes me believe many forum members support what I wrote there. Here's the Russian translation:
[Pyкoвoдcтвo] Cиcтeмa дoвepия
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I've already edited my trust list)
Thanks 
December 22, 2019, 04:05:09 AM
Please join
I posted this in public for a reason (and unfortunately can't do that in Russian).To be honest, I don't really understand what the problem is?
I don't have much free time, so I'll try to explain myself briefly)
The part in red (if translated correctly) makes me think he confuse the Trust list with feedback.
What's wrong with that? I really formed my trust list solely on my relationships with forum users.
If you remove the banned members from your trust list I will remove your exclusion next week after checking Loyce's update. Hope you didn't take it personally.
I've already edited my trust list)
December 22, 2019, 03:58:42 AM
I think a lot some of DT1 feels like they might get a retaliatory exclusion, and if you don't have many () to waste ("political capital" as I like to call it), then you're not going to exclude people for less than exceptionally compelling reasons.
That's always a trade-off indeed. There's still far too much retaliation in the Trust system.Quote
Speaking of people with a lot of political capital, Loyce why haven't you excluded them yet? I'm just curious.
I don't like to jump to conclusions, that's why I wanted to get community opinions first. Translated:
Quote from: klarki translated by Google Translate
Of course, LoyceV has a strange logic, because my trust list has not changed much. It has already been discussed many times about the importance of creating my own trust, which I actually did (I added precisely those people with whom financial relations mostly connect me).
And all this was done before I entered DT1, and there can be no talk of any DT farming here. The trust sheet is used for its intended purpose, no more and no less)
The part in red (if translated correctly) makes me think he confuse the Trust list with feedback.And all this was done before I entered DT1, and there can be no talk of any DT farming here. The trust sheet is used for its intended purpose, no more and no less)
All this is true; I just think its poor form to have banned members in your trust list.
Hello, community!)
It's funny you're discussing me without me)
It's funny you're discussing me without me)
If you remove the banned members from your trust list I will remove your exclusion next week after checking Loyce's update. Hope you didn't take it personally.
December 22, 2019, 03:39:00 AM
I think a lot some of DT1 feels like they might get a retaliatory exclusion, and if you don't have many () to waste ("political capital" as I like to call it), then you're not going to exclude people for less than exceptionally compelling reasons.
That's always a trade-off indeed. There's still far too much retaliation in the Trust system.Cтpaннaя кoнeчнo лoгикa y LoyceV, ибo мoй тpacт лиcт пpaктичecки нe мeнялcя. Ужe мнoгo paз oбcyждaлocь o вaжнocти coздaния coбcтвeннoгo тpacтлиcтa, чтo coбcтвeннo я и cдeлaл (дoбaвил имeннo тex людeй, c кoтopыми мeня cвязывaют пo бoльшeй cтeпeни имeннo финaнcoвыe взaимooтнoшeния).
И вce этo былo cдeлaнo дo мoeгo вxoждeния в DT1 и ни o кaкoм фepмepcтвe DT здecь и peчи быть нe мoжeт. Tpacт лиcт иcпoльзyeтcя пo eгo пpямoмy нaзнaчeнию, нe бoльшe и нe мeньшe)
И вce этo былo cдeлaнo дo мoeгo вxoждeния в DT1 и ни o кaкoм фepмepcтвe DT здecь и peчи быть нe мoжeт. Tpacт лиcт иcпoльзyeтcя пo eгo пpямoмy нaзнaчeнию, нe бoльшe и нe мeньшe)
Translated:
It's funny you're discussing me without me)
Please join I posted this in public for a reason (and unfortunately can't do that in Russian). December 22, 2019, 03:38:41 AM
Hello, community!)
It's funny you're discussing me without me)
It's funny you're discussing me without me)
December 22, 2019, 02:22:17 AM
Simplest option is to ~ these banned DT2s and that will resolve issue as is.
December 21, 2019, 10:55:21 PM
Is (0) the threshold required to deactivate their DT2-appointing powers, or is it (-1)?
-1 i.e. when they're crossed out here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview
Speaking of people with a lot of political capital, Loyce why haven't you excluded them yet? I'm just curious.
December 21, 2019, 10:04:22 PM
klarki is now down to DT1(0).
Is (0) the threshold required to deactivate their DT2-appointing powers, or is it (-1)?
I thinka lot some of DT1 feels like they might get a retaliatory exclusion, and if you don't have many () to waste ("political capital" as I like to call it), then you're not going to exclude people for less than exceptionally compelling reasons.
Speaking of people with a lot of political capital, Loyce why haven't you excluded them yet? I'm just curious.
Is (0) the threshold required to deactivate their DT2-appointing powers, or is it (-1)?
I think
Speaking of people with a lot of political capital, Loyce why haven't you excluded them yet? I'm just curious.
December 21, 2019, 09:38:02 PM
DT farming is on the way, I guess its time for theymos to manually blacklist some DT members who abuse the system.
You mean start with the abusers like lauda and friends? i like that to happen most of the abused people esp those who were tagged with shitty reasons will have the balls to come out. 
December 21, 2019, 07:00:42 PM
Klarki is the maintainer of the Livecoin exchange thread and acts as their support on this forum.
You mean he shills for the scam exchange - there is no support & he doesn't provide any either.
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