Dubai's Government and Gambling - page 11.

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Quote from: magneto on April 27, 2021, 05:46:52 PM

Lastly, it's just missed revenue for the government. If Dubai could regulate the gambling industry as opposed to actively restricting it, then not only can they save on enforcement costs for their restrictions, but also reap significant taxation revenue from the industry.

It's not possible.

We are aware that in Islamic countries, the government is highly associated not just with political views but with regional views. Gambling is not allowed in these types of countries. There are operating illegally as usual and that was common.

And Dubai doesn't need the gambling industry to become one of their financial resources. They achieved being one of the richest places in the world without it.

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I really don't see any point in trying to crack down on the domestic gaming industry instead of actively trying to regulate it.

Firstly, black market gambling joints are always going to pop up. We know that it's human nature to gamble, and as long as there is local demand, there will be supply regardless of what sort of restrictions are in place.

Secondly, offshore/online gambling sites are simply going to replace local joints for the interested gamblers.

Lastly, it's just missed revenue for the government. If Dubai could regulate the gambling industry as opposed to actively restricting it, then not only can they save on enforcement costs for their restrictions, but also reap significant taxation revenue from the industry.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 27, 2021, 10:20:09 AM

Well said! there are people who can simply create fake information that will lead you to false knowledge, better to ask someone who are residing their and have a much deeper knowledge about all the rules regarding to gambling, the chance that they can provide much concrete and precise information is far better than looking in social media channles..

People aren't that noob. If your a person visiting a country, you will not just rely on what you read on social media for example about the status of the country.

It's hard to imagine that you are paying lots of money for your travel then, in the end, you are lack knowledge about how to get reliable information about the country you will visit. It's already a common thing to do to read lots of sources to gained information.

Quote from: Saint-loup on April 26, 2021, 04:47:50 PM

you just bet worthless poker chips instead,

I laugh a bit sorry hehe.

These worthless Poker chips you are saying each having its own value. I don't know how you called it worthless chips where in the first place, gamblers should pay to get it.

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Dubai may be a rich city given UAE's oil business but apparently gambling isn't legally permitted anywhere in there. It is a Muslim country, and follows strict Muslim laws and gambling sure is one of those that they should avoid in order to comply with their religion. If one is planning to go on a gambling spree, they should not look at around those parts (Middle East). HK, Singapore, and Macau offers a lot to gamblers and that's where people should set their sights in if they want to have a unique gambling experience.

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if your a residence of dubai you will know the real status of gambling in this city but if you arent and your planning to visit them , its not good to depend on social media for information because anyone can create a fake page or fake profile to spread lies .

Well said! there are people who can simply create fake information that will lead you to false knowledge, better to ask someone who are residing their and have a much deeper knowledge about all the rules regarding to gambling, the chance that they can provide much concrete and precise information is far better than looking in social media channles..

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curious to know more about the app where you can report gambling activities , does the app offer reward ? because people wont waste time to use and report if theres no reward behind it unless if they have relatives that are gamblers and they are concerned

Yes, people are too busy to participate with this kind of reporting, if the apps offered rewards it might be a different story.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on April 26, 2021, 04:47:50 PM

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Quote from: robelneo on April 25, 2021, 04:27:30 PM

it's very suspicious and unbelievable for a country that adheres to Muslim tradition to just legalize gambling....

Alcohol is also not allowed according to Sharia law nor is it a tradition amongst Muslims, but it is allowed to drink alcohol in Dubai. You are not allowed to be seen carrying bottles and drinking in public, but you can do it in hotels and bars.

It's just a matter of time before they legalize some sort of gambling activities as well. Just like in many other locations all around the world, football is also the most popular sport in Dubai. It's just natural that a tourist destination such as Dubai will eventually loosen up its laws to keep attracting even more tourists. It will begin slowly, one hotel at a time, and when they notice the amount of tax revenue gambling can generate, it will spread by itself.

Doesn't Dubai have a pretty impressive gambling scene? Like physical casinos? I also thought they are relatively well known for high stakes poker, sometimes closed doors. A lot of people move to Dubai for tax reasons already. Difficult to tell whether they really would consider a gambling tax, I doubt it. At least nothing crazy high.

Poker is not the same thing as casino gambling games because in poker tournament you generally don't directly gamble your money, you just bet worthless poker chips instead, so that's not exactly the same thing and it's maybe for this reason that poker tournaments could be allowed in some muslim countries.

I completely disagree. It depends on the poker tournament because you can play with real money in the form of chips. And it also depends on how the state sees poker, whether it is a skill game or a poker game.

I am pretty sure that the majority of muslim countries will categorize poker as luck driven, hence as gambling.

However, the rules in Dubai seem to be different anyway as you can also drink inside buildings, there are bars and so on.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on April 26, 2021, 04:47:50 PM

Poker is not the same thing as casino gambling games because in poker tournament you generally don't directly gamble your money, you just bet worthless poker chips instead, so that's not exactly the same thing and it's maybe for this reason that poker tournaments could be allowed in some muslim countries.

Ah, potato, potahto. I don't think you can look at it that way. Those poker chips have to be purchased at the cashier's desk, they are not handling them out for free. And the winner goes back to the cashier's desk and exchanges his chips back for cash.

Quote from: paxmao on April 26, 2021, 05:37:00 PM

BTW, I seem to recall that there were bets on camel racing anyway??

Haha, you made me laugh with this one. I don't know about camel races, but Dubai does take bets on horse races. I would be interested in the logic of allowing horse racing but not greyhound racing, sports betting, etc.

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There are currently no physical and legal online casinos in Dubai. Online gambling is banned in Dubai because the UAE follows Islamic law which considers gambling a sin so the local government has banned all gambling also residents and visitors could face heavy fines or jail time if they engage in any illegal activity online gambling is not under government control. If casino gambling becomes legal in Dubai it will not be able to collect any government taxes.

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I would think twice about that already, they dont subscribe to usury en masse as we are all used to now and various kinds of normal banking problems are avoided by excluding the high leverage situation that builds up in western banks in sometimes a completely false way. Obviously risk cannot be avoided and imo gambling is a natural instinct as all humans must deal with risk but I understand and respect their faith and belief in excluding various practises now common in western civilisation. I hope they benefit from it and its some benefit to the world not to have everyone revolving around the same leveraged banking system. Crypto is one method of alternate ledger and various countries like this also have a strong natural aversion to FIAT; I think they are natural allies to crypto tbh just not on this one sector of usage.

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Dubai is a big country where there can find something new and also interested in it. Abd what that is is to know what will happen to the person or parties who are involved in that project. However with this kind of situation, if there are many casinos, does it mean that this country supports gambling or only certain gambling in the at least 4stars,.
And I am also pretty sure that it may be related to the taxes or even the income of the country itself

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Sometimes I feel like the debate on many Arab or Muslim countries is the same debate that many wester nations had... 100 years ago. All that mixing of politics with morality and what is allowed and not is just making the middle east one of the most boring regions on Earth. I think that people would be less interested in waging war or confronting others if they had something else to do - e.g. legal casino betting - apart from working, praying and having delicious mint tea.

Even if Dubai does not legalize gambling, gambling will be there like alcohol was served in speakeasys in the USA during the dry law period. BTW, I seem to recall that there were bets on camel racing anyway??

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Quote from: mv1986 on April 26, 2021, 10:56:52 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on April 26, 2021, 08:53:08 AM

Quote from: robelneo on April 25, 2021, 04:27:30 PM

it's very suspicious and unbelievable for a country that adheres to Muslim tradition to just legalize gambling....

Alcohol is also not allowed according to Sharia law nor is it a tradition amongst Muslims, but it is allowed to drink alcohol in Dubai. You are not allowed to be seen carrying bottles and drinking in public, but you can do it in hotels and bars.

It's just a matter of time before they legalize some sort of gambling activities as well. Just like in many other locations all around the world, football is also the most popular sport in Dubai. It's just natural that a tourist destination such as Dubai will eventually loosen up its laws to keep attracting even more tourists. It will begin slowly, one hotel at a time, and when they notice the amount of tax revenue gambling can generate, it will spread by itself.

Doesn't Dubai have a pretty impressive gambling scene? Like physical casinos? I also thought they are relatively well known for high stakes poker, sometimes closed doors. A lot of people move to Dubai for tax reasons already. Difficult to tell whether they really would consider a gambling tax, I doubt it. At least nothing crazy high.

Poker is not the same thing as casino gambling games because in poker tournament you generally don't directly gamble your money, you just bet worthless poker chips instead, so that's not exactly the same thing and it's maybe for this reason that poker tournaments could be allowed in some muslim countries.

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Quote from: dimonstration on April 26, 2021, 04:32:52 PM

Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 26, 2021, 11:55:27 AM

I am not sure about the gambling rules but when i inquired i heard that Dubai is also a party capital around that region and they are not that strict unlike countries like Saudi Arabia it is legal to open dance bars and almost everything is legal and can anyone confirm that Jebel Ali race courses allows betting in horse racing as i found that there are some exceptions in one of the article.

Dubai is much advance and open in a doption when it comes to technology, but still there are many restrictions applied, I think only racing like horse or camel racing is allowed in them maybe still with strict rules avoiding too much gambling and no casino legally operated. I'm trying to ask my friend who is working there but seems didn't see or notice yet a casino or might too busy at work to find one.

You can really expect that they wont really be allowing legal gambling in Dubai and also anywhere else in the UAE and just like other muslim nations where we know that

their religion and culture is really against gambling so its not surprising that you wouldn't really be seeing these stuffs and I do make out some research on how many
casinos are only in Dubai then it does only tells about having 2.
https://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/united-arab-emirates/dubai

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 26, 2021, 11:55:27 AM

I am not sure about the gambling rules but when i inquired i heard that Dubai is also a party capital around that region and they are not that strict unlike countries like Saudi Arabia it is legal to open dance bars and almost everything is legal and can anyone confirm that Jebel Ali race courses allows betting in horse racing as i found that there are some exceptions in one of the article.

Dubai is much advance and open in a doption when it comes to technology, but still there are many restrictions applied, I think only racing like horse or camel racing is allowed in them maybe still with strict rules avoiding too much gambling and no casino legally operated. I'm trying to ask my friend who is working there but seems didn't see or notice yet a casino or might too busy at work to find one.

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on April 25, 2021, 06:43:59 PM

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I think, they do have clubs, party but when it comes to gambling, this country is clear that they do not permit it to legally operate. So it means, gambling is illegal and if you are found that you are dealing with gambling activities, then, it is for you to accept certain punishment. You can gamble but you are taking the risk to be punished by their laws.

I am not sure about the gambling rules but when i inquired i heard that Dubai is also a party capital around that region and they are not that strict unlike countries like Saudi Arabia it is legal to open dance bars and almost everything is legal and can anyone confirm that Jebel Ali race courses allows betting in horse racing as i found that there are some exceptions in one of the article.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on April 26, 2021, 10:25:30 AM

In countries where Islam is the state religion, you need to be very careful.

Before traveling to such countries, it is advisable to carefully study local laws and customs. Violation of laws and traditions in these countries can be very severely punished. I would not recommend gambling in Dubai to anyone.

Sometimes tourists in Muslim countries are made various indulgences in the field of compliance with local laws and customs. This is not the case in the situation under consideration.

For some offenses, tourists in southern countries can be sentenced to imprisonment, not just a heavy fine.

Which in fact Muslim Country Regions or simply Islamic countries like Dubai has a lot of laws and customs thag every tourist or gamblers should respect of course. Dubai now was turn out into a magical and developed city, country and in myself I am dreaming to visit Dubai but maybe visiting because I would gamble is not my purpose, I'd loved to visit it as a tourist only. Though, it is nice to think that Dubai will be open for gambling however also found out that the article was also a false news.

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Quote from: Pmalek on April 26, 2021, 08:53:08 AM

Quote from: robelneo on April 25, 2021, 04:27:30 PM

it's very suspicious and unbelievable for a country that adheres to Muslim tradition to just legalize gambling....

Alcohol is also not allowed according to Sharia law nor is it a tradition amongst Muslims, but it is allowed to drink alcohol in Dubai. You are not allowed to be seen carrying bottles and drinking in public, but you can do it in hotels and bars.

It's just a matter of time before they legalize some sort of gambling activities as well. Just like in many other locations all around the world, football is also the most popular sport in Dubai. It's just natural that a tourist destination such as Dubai will eventually loosen up its laws to keep attracting even more tourists. It will begin slowly, one hotel at a time, and when they notice the amount of tax revenue gambling can generate, it will spread by itself.

Doesn't Dubai have a pretty impressive gambling scene? Like physical casinos? I also thought they are relatively well known for high stakes poker, sometimes closed doors. A lot of people move to Dubai for tax reasons already. Difficult to tell whether they really would consider a gambling tax, I doubt it. At least nothing crazy high.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on April 26, 2021, 10:25:30 AM

In countries where Islam is the state religion, you need to be very careful.

Best advise and should always be followed to avoid making mistakes that you'll regret after.

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Before traveling to such countries, it is advisable to carefully study local laws and customs. Violation of laws and traditions in these countries can be very severely punished. I would not recommend gambling in Dubai to anyone.

It's your obligation to do this and never to disregard important information, other countries have different rulings you need to make sure that you fully understand everything or most it when travelling.

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Sometimes tourists in Muslim countries are made various indulgences in the field of compliance with local laws and customs. This is not the case in the situation under consideration.

Muslim countries are intact to their rules, no excuses if you failed to follow executions will take place.

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For some offenses, tourists in southern countries can be sentenced to imprisonment, not just a heavy fine.

Most of the time, imprisonment are always there for those who break the laws.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 26, 2021, 05:24:56 AM

Quote from: peter0425 on April 26, 2021, 04:10:01 AM

Dubai is an open country in which even liquor is allowed in specific or designated areas.

The United Arab Emirates is one of the more progressive countries in the middle east. From what I have heard, the women are not required to cover their heads and alcoholic beverages are readily available in the major cities. But don't get overly relaxed while visiting the country. There was an incident a few months back, when an unmarried couple was arrested after the lady became pregnant outside the wedlock. The neighboring countries such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are much more conservative.

now dubai has transformed into a city that is quite magnificent in the middle east and of course this is an attraction for many people to visit dubai but there are many issues that are circulating now that dubai has become texas so when we look at it from television it looks like dubai is not Dubai, which used to have strict religious regulations and in my opinion, nowadays Dubai and Middle Eastern cultures have mixed with western culture.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 25, 2021, 10:47:20 AM

I am not gambling in Dubai anytime soon but thanks for the heads up, this is just another case in which what we read on social media turns out to be false, which is why I do not use that way to inform myself and I do not take it seriously, can you imagine the amount of misinformation that is moving there if the government of Dubai has to come forward and actually say the rumors are false? Obviously I would have hoped for them to change their posture but if they do not want to do so and as long as that is crystal clear that is fine for me.

In countries where Islam is the state religion, you need to be very careful.

Before traveling to such countries, it is advisable to carefully study local laws and customs. Violation of laws and traditions in these countries can be very severely punished. I would not recommend gambling in Dubai to anyone.

Sometimes tourists in Muslim countries are made various indulgences in the field of compliance with local laws and customs. This is not the case in the situation under consideration.

For some offenses, tourists in southern countries can be sentenced to imprisonment, not just a heavy fine.

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