Dubai's Government and Gambling - page 8.

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Quote from: BChydro on May 02, 2021, 01:02:10 PM

The rules in Saudi Arabia will make anyone living in a free world roll their eyes as woman has no rights and recently they were allowed to get license and what i have heard is that they are planning to make rapid changes by allowing movie theaters in the country which means they were living like they belong to cave mentality and now they are trying to make some changes, so to expect entertainment and gambling in those countries will take another 100 years Cheesy

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Without the oil resources, Saudi Arabia would be even poorer than Somalia. But the oil money made them one of the richest countries in the world and using that money they changed the other countries as well. Here in India, funding from Wahabis in Saudi Arabia has radicalized the Muslims and this has happened all over South Asia, Africa and the Southeast Asia. With Saudi oil revenues going down due to low prices, now Qatar has taken this spot. The UAE on the other hand has stayed largely clear of this involvement. They even formalized their diplomatic relations with Israel recently.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 01, 2021, 10:06:58 PM

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Overall, there is a trend in the middle east nations to make their laws a bit less conservative. But to start with the true orthodox countries are Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, with the law being more relaxed in the other countries. In many of the smaller countries, the natives are outnumbered by the expats by as much as 5 times. That may be one of the reason why the laws in countries such as the UAE and Bahrain are more liberal. But in Saudi Arabia, the natives are still in a solid majority.

The rules in Saudi Arabia will make anyone living in a free world roll their eyes as woman has no rights and recently they were allowed to get license and what i have heard is that they are planning to make rapid changes by allowing movie theaters in the country which means they were living like they belong to cave mentality and now they are trying to make some changes, so to expect entertainment and gambling in those countries will take another 100 years Cheesy

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Quote from: pawanjain on May 02, 2021, 10:33:52 AM

Quote from: fiulpro on May 02, 2021, 09:28:29 AM

Well I do think you can very easily use crypto Gambling overseas and instead of your bank accounts you can use bitcoins or other cryptocurrencies and sell them p2p. Yes ofcourse you should not go against the Government. But that does not stop you from finding loopholes, does it ?

This reminds me of Goa which is in India. Gambling is prohibited here but they have found a loop hole and are operating gambling casinos.
The gambling restriction is implemented on land and so the people in Goa have built casinos on ships.
Technically they are operating the casinos on water and not on land which bypasses the restriction from the government Grin

The government also seems fine with it Grin

Wow very resourceful people, the operators are good thinker provisions are being implemented by land so anything outside land
is not affected,.

If the government is okay with this kind of settings then gamblers are free to play without any hesitations that they are liable with
any government rules.

Just a kind of mindsets, entertained without any worries being caught. Tongue

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Quote from: pawanjain on May 02, 2021, 10:33:52 AM

The gambling restriction is implemented on land and so the people in Goa have built casinos on ships.
Technically they are operating the casinos on water and not on land which bypasses the restriction from the government Grin

The government also seems fine with it Grin

This is not a strange but something new about Goa, I am hearing for the first time. I guess international waters are known for neutral venue where no country's restrictions are applicable. So, let me check when I will be visiting Goa. I traveled there some 3 years back but no one guide me for gambling facility such a way.

In Dubai, I have enjoyed full casino within hotel premises (I do not prefer to unveil the name here) which provided me experiences like half of Vegas.

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 02, 2021, 09:28:29 AM

Well I do think you can very easily use crypto Gambling overseas and instead of your bank accounts you can use bitcoins or other cryptocurrencies and sell them p2p. Yes ofcourse you should not go against the Government. But that does not stop you from finding loopholes, does it ?

This reminds me of Goa which is in India. Gambling is prohibited here but they have found a loop hole and are operating gambling casinos.
The gambling restriction is implemented on land and so the people in Goa have built casinos on ships.
Technically they are operating the casinos on water and not on land which bypasses the restriction from the government Grin

The government also seems fine with it Grin

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Quote from: Saisher on May 02, 2021, 05:44:02 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 01, 2021, 10:06:58 PM

Overall, there is a trend in the middle east nations to make their laws a bit less conservative. But to start with the true orthodox countries are Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, with the law being more relaxed in the other countries. In many of the smaller countries, the natives are outnumbered by the expats by as much as 5 times. That may be one of the reason why the laws in countries such as the UAE and Bahrain are more liberal. But in Saudi Arabia, the natives are still in a solid majority.

If Saudi Arabia will allow gambling then many Muslim countries will also allow it, citing Saudi Arabia's example, gambling is haram in Muslim laws there are liberal outlook of some countries because of economic reasons, so visitors should double check if the country with liberal outlook he is visiting allows gambling.

I can not imagine what will happen if Saudi Arabia really allows gambling because I think that can make many reactions from the Muslim. As we know that gambling is haram, maybe we will see a demonstration from the people.
I hope that there will be a discussion between the government and the religious leader about gambling in their country.
The religious leader will hard to accept gambling. I do not think that the government will easily accept gambling for their country, even if that is because of economic reasons. They have many sources of income for their economy.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on May 01, 2021, 03:58:50 PM

Quote from: fiulpro on April 25, 2021, 10:24:36 AM

According to Social Media Rumors People did think that the Dubai Government was apparently approving and giving license to various hotels for Gambling. But as it turns out the news was indeed false.
*Therefore if there is a person living in Dubai who was indeed fooled by this should realize that no hotel does own a legal license and be safe, be careful and stay away from such scams*

Well, thank you for the heads up. I have one question, even though if you are not a citizen in Dubai but you have their bank account, it is illegal for you to accept funds from gambling?

Well, if I am one of the citizens in Dubai --we should follow what our government restricted, if they won't allow gambling, evening offshore don't do it because that is still not following them and against the Islamic laws. However, we should not easy to believe rumors, it must have a legitimate announcement from you country before believing them.

Well I do think you can very easily use crypto Gambling overseas and instead of your bank accounts you can use bitcoins or other cryptocurrencies and sell them p2p. Yes ofcourse you should not go against the Government. But that does not stop you from finding loopholes, does it ?
Well !!
They do not mention anything about gambling overseas and restrictions regarding that and there are also innumerable casinos which you can use anytime of the day but making sure to use cash would do you some good. Yes I am very well aware of the fact that Islamic religion is strictly against gambling but still people do it. Their personal choices are all very different. Ofc always prefer being safe legally first.

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Let's be honest everyone, we already know that many gambling games are prohibited by the government and also there are a lot of gambling games that are illegal in the eyes of the government and yet there are still a lot of people is playing and gambling everywhere and the reason here is that many people considered it as a sports and enjoyment. Each or every country has different restrictions when it comes to gambling and those who are legal gambling are the one's who are paying their taxes in order for them to be legal in front of the government and yet there are still so many gambling sessions that are illegal in which they are not paying taxes to the government and of course who wants to pay taxes? it is just a matter of bribery in a good and beautiful way.

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Quote from: Cling18 on May 02, 2021, 07:32:45 AM

There are lots of restrictions in each country and they have their laws. It's a good thing that countries like Dubai are somehow legalizing gambling but I'm sure that their government will still restrict it and will implement rules that gamblers should follow. Instead of breaking the law, following it would be better to keep gambling going in a certain country.

In most of these Arab nations, the ruling monarchies are divided into two camps. One camp want to modernize these countries and make them more liberal. The second camp wants status quo, and want the conservative religious laws to remain as such. UAE seems to be favoring modernization, while other countries such as Kuwait still seems to be under the control of the conservatives. But if you want to visit a casino, then I would advise you to travel to Macau or Mexico, rather than traveling to the middle east.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on April 25, 2021, 10:56:58 AM

I've read on twitter @DXBMediaOffice, about this situation, but I'm not sure what to say.

As far as I know Dubai has gambling laws (UAE) which can catch gambling addicts, and end up in jail or a fine of 250k dirham, This penalty applies to anyone, gambling site managers, players, broadcasters etc.
I already suspect that the gambling issue in Dubai be carried out by irresponsible people.

OP, this is a good move/information, people can know that the news so far that has been taking the Dubai virtual world is a lie.

There are lots of restrictions in each country and they have their laws. It's a good thing that countries like Dubai are somehow legalizing gambling but I'm sure that their government will still restrict it and will implement rules that gamblers should follow. Instead of breaking the law, following it would be better to keep gambling going in a certain country.

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Quote from: Saisher on May 02, 2021, 05:44:02 AM

If Saudi Arabia will allow gambling then many Muslim countries will also allow it, citing Saudi Arabia's example, gambling is haram in Muslim laws there are liberal outlook of some countries because of economic reasons, so visitors should double check if the country with liberal outlook he is visiting allows gambling.

There is a misconception that all the Arab countries are conservative, but that is not the case. There are very liberal countries such as Turkey and Lebanon. And moreover, the current trend is that many of these Arab nations are trying to remove the conservative laws and become more liberal. For example, Saudi Arabia has allowed movie theatres and limited form of partying. On the other hand, the non-Arab Muslim countries are moving in the opposite direction. They are trying to become more and more conservative.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 25, 2021, 10:24:36 AM

Other than that people in the UAE can actually gamble :
1. They can gamble in offshore casinos (online)
2. Use foreign currency

I wonder whether using cryptos is okay if using foreign currencies is. Or are these options de facto available but de jure illegal as well?
I think that countries should regulate casinos instead of banning them because people will play anyway, and this way at least some money will go to the state and can improve its economy (although Dubai doesn't seem to need a boost just yet). Some things that cause addiction and are proven to be bad for health and trigger violence are legal (I think alcohol is the greatest example), so it doesn't make sense that gambling stays illegal as it's probably not even as bad for a person as alcohol. Moreover, it seems that the majority of people don't develop a gambling addiction, so banning it for everyone even though it's safe for most makes even less sense.

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Quote from: BChydro on May 01, 2021, 05:10:55 PM

I have also heard about Dubai been a liberal country than a strict conservative country like Saudi or similar countries and i did have a friend who went to Dubai for a few months due to his job schedule and we thought he will be in a dry country and that too conservative but what i heard is that he really liked the weekend parties and the crowds in the pubs are really classy.

Gambling and partying are two different things, they may allow partying moderate partying for local and foreigners but I don't think they will allow gambling because it's Haram and it's on their Islamic laws if you are into gambling Dubai is not the place for you even if you try online they are blocking gambling sites.

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Quote from: Saisher on May 02, 2021, 05:44:02 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 01, 2021, 10:06:58 PM

Overall, there is a trend in the middle east nations to make their laws a bit less conservative. But to start with the true orthodox countries are Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, with the law being more relaxed in the other countries. In many of the smaller countries, the natives are outnumbered by the expats by as much as 5 times. That may be one of the reason why the laws in countries such as the UAE and Bahrain are more liberal. But in Saudi Arabia, the natives are still in a solid majority.

If Saudi Arabia will allow gambling then many Muslim countries will also allow it, citing Saudi Arabia's example, gambling is haram in Muslim laws there are liberal outlook of some countries because of economic reasons, so visitors should double check if the country with liberal outlook he is visiting allows gambling.

I don't think any country based on Islamic laws will allow gambling lmfao. Not only Islam, if there's any country with a huge practicising Christian population, then also gambling will be prohibited because it's a sin in almost all religions! If Saudi allows gambling which I think will never happen, it won't give a freepass to other Muslim countries because it's simply is forbidden, there's no other way towards it!

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 01, 2021, 10:06:58 PM

Overall, there is a trend in the middle east nations to make their laws a bit less conservative. But to start with the true orthodox countries are Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, with the law being more relaxed in the other countries. In many of the smaller countries, the natives are outnumbered by the expats by as much as 5 times. That may be one of the reason why the laws in countries such as the UAE and Bahrain are more liberal. But in Saudi Arabia, the natives are still in a solid majority.

If Saudi Arabia will allow gambling then many Muslim countries will also allow it, citing Saudi Arabia's example, gambling is haram in Muslim laws there are liberal outlook of some countries because of economic reasons, so visitors should double check if the country with liberal outlook he is visiting allows gambling.

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Quote from: BChydro on May 01, 2021, 05:10:55 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 29, 2021, 09:56:42 PM

The UAE is considered as one of the more liberal Islamic nations and should not be compared on par with conservative nations such as Afghanistan and Somalia.

I have also heard about Dubai been a liberal country than a strict conservative country like Saudi or similar countries and i did have a friend who went to Dubai for a few months due to his job schedule and we thought he will be in a dry country and that too conservative but what i heard is that he really liked the weekend parties and the crowds in the pubs are really classy.

Overall, there is a trend in the middle east nations to make their laws a bit less conservative. But to start with the true orthodox countries are Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, with the law being more relaxed in the other countries. In many of the smaller countries, the natives are outnumbered by the expats by as much as 5 times. That may be one of the reason why the laws in countries such as the UAE and Bahrain are more liberal. But in Saudi Arabia, the natives are still in a solid majority.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 29, 2021, 09:56:42 PM

The UAE is considered as one of the more liberal Islamic nations and should not be compared on par with conservative nations such as Afghanistan and Somalia.

I have also heard about Dubai been a liberal country than a strict conservative country like Saudi or similar countries and i did have a friend who went to Dubai for a few months due to his job schedule and we thought he will be in a dry country and that too conservative but what i heard is that he really liked the weekend parties and the crowds in the pubs are really classy.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on May 01, 2021, 03:58:50 PM

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That's true. wherever we are, we must obey the rules in the country, moreover if it is also related to citizenship, government regulation, and also something based on the law.
Sometimes, we may have missed communication about something, and that is why it is ourselves who should verify and also take the correct answers or information about it.

Quote from: yazher on May 01, 2021, 04:31:47 PM

Yeah! I'm sure everyone wants to know that too, what if you get some funds from a gambling site or like of it, is there a possibility they can detect it or something like that.

If it is about the crypto and sent to the local exchanges where there are strict regulations about crypto and also gambling, the exchange platforms may be able to detect the initial wallets sent to the exchange wallet as suspicious deposits. and perhaps this will result in the rejected deposit and returned to the original wallet.
This case ever happened in my local exchange in my country where if there is a suspicious wallet from that kind of site, they can detect and do more investigation to ensure about this.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on May 01, 2021, 03:58:50 PM

Quote from: fiulpro on April 25, 2021, 10:24:36 AM

According to Social Media Rumors People did think that the Dubai Government was apparently approving and giving license to various hotels for Gambling. But as it turns out the news was indeed false.
*Therefore if there is a person living in Dubai who was indeed fooled by this should realize that no hotel does own a legal license and be safe, be careful and stay away from such scams*

Well, thank you for the heads up. I have one question, even though if you are not a citizen in Dubai but you have their bank account, it is illegal for you to accept funds from gambling?

Well, if I am one of the citizens in Dubai --we should follow what our government restricted, if they won't allow gambling, evening offshore don't do it because that is still not following them and against the Islamic laws. However, we should not easy to believe rumors, it must have a legitimate announcement from you country before believing them.

Yeah! I'm sure everyone wants to know that too, what if you get some funds from a gambling site or like of it, is there a possibility they can detect it or something like that.

They must stick with the rules because countries such as it don't really joke when it comes to their laws and regulations. Just like China, if you get caught doing some illegal things you might end up executed depends on what have you done. so it's better to be more careful.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 25, 2021, 10:24:36 AM

According to Social Media Rumors People did think that the Dubai Government was apparently approving and giving license to various hotels for Gambling. But as it turns out the news was indeed false.
*Therefore if there is a person living in Dubai who was indeed fooled by this should realize that no hotel does own a legal license and be safe, be careful and stay away from such scams*

Well, thank you for the heads up. I have one question, even though if you are not a citizen in Dubai but you have their bank account, it is illegal for you to accept funds from gambling?

Well, if I am one of the citizens in Dubai --we should follow what our government restricted, if they won't allow gambling, evening offshore don't do it because that is still not following them and against the Islamic laws. However, we should not easy to believe rumors, it must have a legitimate announcement from you country before believing them.

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