Dubai's Government and Gambling - page 6.

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Quote from: Obito on May 06, 2021, 12:43:28 AM

I thought that it was Monaco that was a gambling hub, never expected Morroco to be the one. I didn't know that Bosnia is a Muslim country, aren't they like in the Eastern Europe region where the dominant religion is Orthodox Christianity. I think that there is nothing wrong with clerics literally interpreting the sacred words because there should be a freedom to interpret any way you want it.

Both Monaco and Macau are famous for their casinos, but some of the Moroccan cities are famous for gimbling as well, especially those in Tangier, Casablanca and Marrakesh. And as far as I know, Muslims have become a majority in Bosnia as per the latest census. According to the 2013 Census, Muslims now constitute around 50.7% of the population. But they speak the same language and mostly have the same culture when compared to their Christian neighbors. I don't think that there will be much support for a ban on gambling in Bosnia.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 05, 2021, 11:17:38 PM

Quote from: k@suy on May 04, 2021, 12:35:30 PM

But I am also curious does gambling will be avilable or will be implemented legally at the Islamic countries.?

Gambling is already 100% legal in a number of Muslim countries. Morocco is a perfect example. It is more than 99.9% Muslim, and all forms of gambling are legal there. Other Muslim countries where gambling is permitted include Lebanon, Malaysia, Senegal and Bosnia. It depends on how the government interprets the Sharia law. As such the law doesn't mention casinos and lotteries. Some of the hardline clerics however interpret the law, to call for a total ban on gambling.

Never thought of those countries that Now open for gambling already? are they also supporting Online gambling specially Crypto related betting? or this is for Live casinos Only?
I know malaysia is Supporting gambling nowadays and they even supporting or hosting some gambling competition recently.
But lebanon ? this is the last Muslim place that i thought would legalized gambling .

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 05, 2021, 11:17:38 PM

Gambling is already 100% legal in a number of Muslim countries. Morocco is a perfect example. It is more than 99.9% Muslim, and all forms of gambling are legal there. Other Muslim countries where gambling is permitted include Lebanon, Malaysia, Senegal and Bosnia. It depends on how the government interprets the Sharia law. As such the law doesn't mention casinos and lotteries. Some of the hardline clerics however interpret the law, to call for a total ban on gambling.

I thought that it was Monaco that was a gambling hub, never expected Morroco to be the one. I didn't know that Bosnia is a Muslim country, aren't they like in the Eastern Europe region where the dominant religion is Orthodox Christianity. I think that there is nothing wrong with clerics literally interpreting the sacred words because there should be a freedom to interpret any way you want it.

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Quote from: k@suy on May 04, 2021, 12:35:30 PM

But I am also curious does gambling will be avilable or will be implemented legally at the Islamic countries.?

Gambling is already 100% legal in a number of Muslim countries. Morocco is a perfect example. It is more than 99.9% Muslim, and all forms of gambling are legal there. Other Muslim countries where gambling is permitted include Lebanon, Malaysia, Senegal and Bosnia. It depends on how the government interprets the Sharia law. As such the law doesn't mention casinos and lotteries. Some of the hardline clerics however interpret the law, to call for a total ban on gambling.

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Quote from: k@suy on May 04, 2021, 12:35:30 PM

But I am also curious does gambling will be avilable or will be implemented legally at the Islamic countries.?

Meanwhile, Islamic countries will continue to make effort to prohibit gambling from becoming legal and enforceable as permanent law. I don't expect gambling to be legalized in an Islamic majority country and that would violate the prevailing norms.
A visitor or tourist may have to comply with the existing rules of a country and they can't enforce the desire to do something as prohibited as Dubai which prohibits gambling.

When you do tend to visit a country then of course you would really be mindful on following the rules and said laws if you dont like to experience any problems or getting into trouble.
Each country does have its own set of rules whether those are influenced by religion or into those typical rules that we do see commonly on other countries.
If there are some which you arent familiar then its just common sense that you would need to abide it.In most muslim countries then gambling is really a no go.
So you can really expect these kind of prohibitions in most common places.

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Quote from: k@suy on May 04, 2021, 12:35:30 PM

But I am also curious does gambling will be avilable or will be implemented legally at the Islamic countries.?

No need to bother for the right answer as it won't happen. Gambling activities here are done underground like any other prohibited activity.

That was the situation right from the start so legalizing gambling in these countries is not even on the plan.

Quote from: ShowOff on May 05, 2021, 11:56:40 AM

A visitor or tourist may have to comply with the existing rules of a country and they can't enforce the desire to do something as prohibited as Dubai which prohibits gambling.

I doubt a tourist will risk their respective status participating or involving in gambling activity in a non-gambling friendly country.

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Dubai is an Islamic Country, this already in its face value is false because gambling afaik is prohibited for Muslims and something they actively avoid partaking in. That being said, more and more news sites are becoming less reliable with their information, goes to show that the quality of media and its usage is slowly deteriorating, especially when you consider the fact that some of us are informed of the current events through memes more than regular old news.

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Quote from: k@suy on May 04, 2021, 12:35:30 PM

But I am also curious does gambling will be avilable or will be implemented legally at the Islamic countries.?

Meanwhile, Islamic countries will continue to make effort to prohibit gambling from becoming legal and enforceable as permanent law. I don't expect gambling to be legalized in an Islamic majority country and that would violate the prevailing norms.
A visitor or tourist may have to comply with the existing rules of a country and they can't enforce the desire to do something as prohibited as Dubai which prohibits gambling.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 03, 2021, 11:43:55 PM

UAE is more liberal when compared to the other Muslim countries, but there are a few things that you need to remind before visiting that country. Unmarried couples are not allowed as per the law, although it is tolerated to a degree. Recreational drugs are strictly prohibited, and in case you are caught, then you can expect the courts handing down a death sentence, which can't be appealed further. There are things that are illegal, but tolerated to a certain degree. But if you are unlucky enough, then you will be prosecuted for these.

In my personal opinion I just looked at the muslim countries having a same religious law or Islamic religious belief and that is including UAE. And to be honest Dubai was a beautiful country with so many good and beautiful place to offer in the tourist if this country will going to push tourism as one of the source of their income and which of course any tourist should respect and should follow. But I am also curious does gambling will be avilable or will be implemented legally at the Islamic countries.?

It seems right, as being friends with Muslims for quite a long time now, I don’t really see the point of Dubai hotels acquiring Gambling Licenses as they might have a very small amount of customer base.

Most of the people in Dubai are Muslims, and I can guarantee that they hate gambling that much. Not just hate, it is also wrong for Muslims to go gambling. It’s against the religion’s law. Meaning to say that the news about Dubai releasing licenses is very unbelievable and too impossible to happen. Unless Dubai citizens would convert to Christians.

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Quote from: mv1986 on May 04, 2021, 06:09:45 PM

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UAE is more liberal when compared to the other Muslim countries, but there are a few things that you need to remind before visiting that country. Unmarried couples are not allowed as per the law, although it is tolerated to a degree. Recreational drugs are strictly prohibited, and in case you are caught, then you can expect the courts handing down a death sentence, which can't be appealed further. There are things that are illegal, but tolerated to a certain degree. But if you are unlucky enough, then you will be prosecuted for these.

In my personal opinion I just looked at the muslim countries having a same religious law or Islamic religious belief and that is including UAE. And to be honest Dubai was a beautiful country with so many good and beautiful place to offer in the tourist if this country will going to push tourism as one of the source of their income and which of course any tourist should respect and should follow. But I am also curious does gambling will be avilable or will be implemented legally at the Islamic countries.?

The is not about ideas or thoughts, this region has very strict religious rules and the question is how can people coming from external stick to that? It is a different world that here and there tries to adjust their reality to ours, but it is still not consistent. That is why it is hard for us to really understand what the intentions of the United Emirates are.

Yes, these are very strict rules that most people from the occident and even from some oriental countries aren't able to follow. But I think it's not a problem at all, because there are almost 200 countries in the world, all people need to do is to avoid countries where the laws are too severe over the citizens. At same time it's good to have countries like this, where the laws are more restrictive, because not everyone likes a liberal world, so these people have the right to belong to a place where their lifestyle is respected as well.

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Quote from: mv1986 on May 04, 2021, 06:09:45 PM

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 03, 2021, 11:43:55 PM

UAE is more liberal when compared to the other Muslim countries, but there are a few things that you need to remind before visiting that country. Unmarried couples are not allowed as per the law, although it is tolerated to a degree. Recreational drugs are strictly prohibited, and in case you are caught, then you can expect the courts handing down a death sentence, which can't be appealed further. There are things that are illegal, but tolerated to a certain degree. But if you are unlucky enough, then you will be prosecuted for these.

In my personal opinion I just looked at the muslim countries having a same religious law or Islamic religious belief and that is including UAE. And to be honest Dubai was a beautiful country with so many good and beautiful place to offer in the tourist if this country will going to push tourism as one of the source of their income and which of course any tourist should respect and should follow. But I am also curious does gambling will be avilable or will be implemented legally at the Islamic countries.?

The is not about ideas or thoughts, this region has very strict religious rules and the question is how can people coming from external stick to that? It is a different world that here and there tries to adjust their reality to ours, but it is still not consistent. That is why it is hard for us to really understand what the intentions of the United Emirates are.

Maybe they want to invite more investors from the gambling business to their country and invest their money. But that is just speculation to know what it is as they will not tell their reason to the public. I guess that will be the pros and cons behind that and we might see a debate on approval from many people. We hope that it will not affect their people, and the government can decide.

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^ There is no official news about Dubai giving licenses in the first place but in case, I will never believe it. Why? Gambling is not just something their government has to consider. It is also prohibited to gamble in Muslim. Which we all know, 90% of people in Dubai are Muslims. Muslims are naturally strict especially with vices like this, this won’t be tolerated. Dubai citizens can actually gamble if they want, as long as they go offshore. But I don’t think they would. Also, the gambling business in UAE will never become successful, the founder can only get hate and fewer customers/players.

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Quote from: k@suy on May 04, 2021, 12:35:30 PM

In my personal opinion I just looked at the muslim countries having a same religious law or Islamic religious belief and that is including UAE. And to be honest Dubai was a beautiful country with so many good and beautiful place to offer in the tourist if this country will going to push tourism as one of the source of their income and which of course any tourist should respect and should follow. But I am also curious does gambling will be avilable or will be implemented legally at the Islamic countries.?

There is nothing like an uniform Islamic law. Islamic countries follow different interpretations of the Islamic law and that is the reason why Saudi Arabia is very conservative and UAE is much more liberal. And if you want to gamble, there are a lot of other options available such as Macau and Bermuda. Why do you want to gamble in an Islamic nation? UAE is a popular tourist destination, but if you want to do partying and gambling then I am afraid that you may need to chose another country.

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Quote from: mv1986 on May 04, 2021, 06:09:45 PM

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 03, 2021, 11:43:55 PM

UAE is more liberal when compared to the other Muslim countries, but there are a few things that you need to remind before visiting that country. Unmarried couples are not allowed as per the law, although it is tolerated to a degree. Recreational drugs are strictly prohibited, and in case you are caught, then you can expect the courts handing down a death sentence, which can't be appealed further. There are things that are illegal, but tolerated to a certain degree. But if you are unlucky enough, then you will be prosecuted for these.

In my personal opinion I just looked at the muslim countries having a same religious law or Islamic religious belief and that is including UAE. And to be honest Dubai was a beautiful country with so many good and beautiful place to offer in the tourist if this country will going to push tourism as one of the source of their income and which of course any tourist should respect and should follow. But I am also curious does gambling will be avilable or will be implemented legally at the Islamic countries.?

The is not about ideas or thoughts, this region has very strict religious rules and the question is how can people coming from external stick to that? It is a different world that here and there tries to adjust their reality to ours, but it is still not consistent. That is why it is hard for us to really understand what the intentions of the United Emirates are.

Dont mind about intentions because they are just following on what they do have in mind which is most likely do connects about religion and if they do decide to be that way then

you wont really have any choice but to deal with it and in case you do decide to visit out this country then you should abide with the laws if you dont like to face up some problems or headaches.

It might sucks but theres nothing you can do about it if they do really look gambling on this way.For those citizens who do want to engage with gambling activity then there are still some various ways.

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Quote from: k@suy on May 04, 2021, 12:35:30 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 03, 2021, 11:43:55 PM

UAE is more liberal when compared to the other Muslim countries, but there are a few things that you need to remind before visiting that country. Unmarried couples are not allowed as per the law, although it is tolerated to a degree. Recreational drugs are strictly prohibited, and in case you are caught, then you can expect the courts handing down a death sentence, which can't be appealed further. There are things that are illegal, but tolerated to a certain degree. But if you are unlucky enough, then you will be prosecuted for these.

In my personal opinion I just looked at the muslim countries having a same religious law or Islamic religious belief and that is including UAE. And to be honest Dubai was a beautiful country with so many good and beautiful place to offer in the tourist if this country will going to push tourism as one of the source of their income and which of course any tourist should respect and should follow. But I am also curious does gambling will be avilable or will be implemented legally at the Islamic countries.?

The is not about ideas or thoughts, this region has very strict religious rules and the question is how can people coming from external stick to that? It is a different world that here and there tries to adjust their reality to ours, but it is still not consistent. That is why it is hard for us to really understand what the intentions of the United Emirates are.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 03, 2021, 11:43:55 PM

UAE is more liberal when compared to the other Muslim countries, but there are a few things that you need to remind before visiting that country. Unmarried couples are not allowed as per the law, although it is tolerated to a degree. Recreational drugs are strictly prohibited, and in case you are caught, then you can expect the courts handing down a death sentence, which can't be appealed further. There are things that are illegal, but tolerated to a certain degree. But if you are unlucky enough, then you will be prosecuted for these.

In my personal opinion I just looked at the muslim countries having a same religious law or Islamic religious belief and that is including UAE. And to be honest Dubai was a beautiful country with so many good and beautiful place to offer in the tourist if this country will going to push tourism as one of the source of their income and which of course any tourist should respect and should follow. But I am also curious does gambling will be avilable or will be implemented legally at the Islamic countries.?

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Quote from: Silberman on May 04, 2021, 11:09:12 AM

In fact it has been known for a very long time that they are planning for tourism to become their main form of income for a very long time, the government understands that they got lucky by having so much oil underground and they also understand that at some point in the future this is going to run out so they are playing the long term game and they are going to try to find a way to not depend on such income, and for what I know they are doing a very good job on that front.

They have around $2 trillion in foreign assets and the Emirati population is just around 1 million. This means that every Emirati citizen holds around $2 million in foreign assets (stocks, bonds.etc). So why do they need income from tourism? And tourism can have negative impact as well. Look at Brazil and Thailand. These countries are popular tourist destinations, but tourism has lead to a lot of social issues in these countries. And despite what others say, IMO the revenues from petroleum will last for another 2 decades at least.

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Well, this is one of the reasons that we cannot trust everything they post on the internet, because it could be false information.

Dubai and the United Arab Emirates are countries that receive several tourists, if legalized gambling, some money could enter in country and could help the economy.

I don’t know the politics and culture of these people are, I just don’t understand why these countries don’t legalize
ps: I may have said something stupid, because I don't really know these countries.

LOL.. do you really think that the United Arab Emirates, and the Emirate of Dubai in particular needs to attract tourists to boost up their GDP? There are only around 1 million Emirati citizens and the UAE produce 3.8 million barrels of crude oil per day. That is 3.8 barrel of oil for every citizen per day!!! And they own some of the world's most valuable sovereign wealth funds. The Abu Dhabi Investment Authority alone holds assets worth $710 billion. Still think they need tourism to survive?

In fact it has been known for a very long time that they are planning for tourism to become their main form of income for a very long time, the government understands that they got lucky by having so much oil underground and they also understand that at some point in the future this is going to run out so they are playing the long term game and they are going to try to find a way to not depend on such income, and for what I know they are doing a very good job on that front.

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Quote from: Kong Hey Pakboy on May 04, 2021, 12:12:33 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 03, 2021, 11:43:55 PM

UAE is more liberal when compared to the other Muslim countries, but there are a few things that you need to remind before visiting that country. Unmarried couples are not allowed as per the law, although it is tolerated to a degree. Recreational drugs are strictly prohibited, and in case you are caught, then you can expect the courts handing down a death sentence, which can't be appealed further. There are things that are illegal, but tolerated to a certain degree. But if you are unlucky enough, then you will be prosecuted for these.

Didn't know about this, I just assumed that they are all strict since Islam is a strict religion that has been following their Qur'an for a long time, not meaning to offend but being more liberal even though your primary faith is strict is a progressive thing to do.

But if that is about gambling, I think the government will not let gambling allow in their country because that can break their rule. Gambling is haram in their country, but we do not know if their people do not play gambling publicly because that can attract the officer to arrest them. Islam is a strict religion and if there something that is not matched with their Qur'an or Hadist, they will not tolerate it. But we do not know more about that, and maybe we need to wait for the next news from them so we know what happens in that country.

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It will be difficult to make other Arab states to follow suit with those things because as I have said Islam is a strict religion. Maybe we can see that kind of thing from happening someday but right now, I don't think that it will happen anytime soon.

Everything depends on the interpretation of the Islamic laws. When the Sharia law was written down, there were no casinos around. The modern scholars claim that Islam prohibits gambling, by interpreting the laws as per their own liking. If UAE can permit gambling and alcohol, then it makes no sense for other Islamic nations to prohibit it. Because Arab countries are regarded as the birth place of Islam. And personally, my opinion is that the religious laws need to change according to the changing times.

That's my take on the issue too, I think that religion is the one that adopts to the time and not the other way around which is the reason why we have the Dark Ages.

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