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Quote from: panjul07 on December 17, 2021, 09:26:21 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on December 17, 2021, 06:17:34 AM

That's true, someone here has a good chance of winning $125 prize. But since they will restore the $125 winners in the grand prize, there's almost no hope of winning top-3 prizes.

I think I know who is this "someone" you are referring to, I hope he will win one of the top prizes as it will be a party for us Grin

Do not say no hope if you have the chance although the chance is tiny, 1 single ticket can be a miracle when the luck comes.

I'm not sure who are the one you guys are referring to, but I guess the user is roycilik, isn't it? However, all of us have a good opportunity to win as Duelbits will choose 200 different winners for the $125 raffle prizes. Many of us playing in the Duelbits now. It will be pleasant if we see some lucky winners who is also a member of this forum.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on December 17, 2021, 06:17:34 AM

That's true, someone here has a good chance of winning $125 prize. But since they will restore the $125 winners in the grand prize, there's almost no hope of winning top-3 prizes.

I think I know who is this "someone" you are referring to, I hope he will win one of the top prizes as it will be a party for us Grin

Do not say no hope if you have the chance although the chance is tiny, 1 single ticket can be a miracle when the luck comes.
Best luck for all my fellow Indonesian slot addicts in the Duelbits' Christmas raffle.

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Quote from: worle1bm on December 17, 2021, 12:25:15 AM

Actually our mind need some break before it get too stressed out that we can't handle it above that point which could lead to some serious health issues so it's far better to cover them beforehand like in your case.You can take small break to refresh yourself after continuous gambling all night to feel fresh and have personal time also.

But the contest tho. Today my account magically has $45 in it lol, so much temptation not to play. Cheesy

I've just realized they increase the winner up to 12 positions, formerly only 10 winners. I thought, that's it, I'm done for now and turned out winning some money.
Meanwhile, we also accumulate tickets.

Good thing the contest hasn't started yet Grin

Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on December 16, 2021, 01:58:44 PM

10 days to the final don't forget to hunt for tickets, remember even though our rival has many tickets he can only win 2 prizes Grin

That's true, someone here has a good chance of winning $125 prize. But since they will restore the $125 winners in the grand prize, there's almost no hope of winning top-3 prizes.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on December 16, 2021, 09:18:32 AM

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Quote from: pawanjain on December 15, 2021, 10:46:37 AM

Breaks are indeed necessary to stay active in the long run. Continuous gambling can risk us losing lot of money as well as getting us depressed over the loss.
Taking frequent breaks in between help us stay focused on our goals and gives us time to accumulate more money and increase our budget.
It also gives us time to rethink our strategy for the games we play. I have myself started gambling again after a long break in between.

You are right on the point that i also mentioned is if you take a break you can survive for long in gambling without any worries because regular stress gambling could lead to some problems as experienced by many gamblers who shared their journey so precaution is better than cure which are wise words.

I think I also need a break since more gambling means less sleeping time for me. Today I woke up really exhausted because I played for hours the last night.
It's the same situation when you like playing games, let's say DOTA2, and play non-stop. Rumor says human can die playing games because of exhaustion.

My good friend said that too much playing games, especially slots, could make you lazy. I find it true, so better take a break whenever you can because of health reason. Money is easy to get/spend but health is so precious.

Actually our mind need some break before it get too stressed out that we can't handle it above that point which could lead to some serious health issues so it's far better to cover them beforehand like in your case.You can take small break to refresh yourself after continuous gambling all night to feel fresh and have personal time also.

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Quote from: dezoel on December 16, 2021, 04:31:15 PM

Quote from: traderethereum on December 16, 2021, 03:10:23 AM

I feel that we need to become rational and not react too much about winning or losing because those things will be part of the gambling.
No matter the result, if we can just accept, I think we will not think or feel too sad if we lose the money because we already know that playing gambling can cause us to lose the money.
It needs wiser to react to what we will get from gambling to play with ease and not have hard feelings when we lose because playing gambling will have consequences and risks.
If we can realize that, it will mature us in playing gambling.

That is the hardest part for many gamblers because there are still a lot of people who gamble to earn money. Unfortunately the idea that "I can earn money by gambling THIS way" is still in the heads of many people. For example sports betting is allowed in my nation, we do not have casinos and all but we have sports betting places and websites and all that, which in return gives people a chance to gamble legally, any sort of sports betting requires a license but as long as they have that, it is legal.

Last year the total loss was above 5 billion dollars total, FIVE BILLION DOLLARS! That is a huge amount for my nation, probably for most nations outside of the top 20 economies. So, I would say that people need to reel that back in a bit, it can't continue down this path and many people will get hurt if they keep gambling with the hopes of getting richer.

People really need not think about "earning more by gambling" because they already see what happens to many people because of gambling.
Even if sports betting is allowed in your nation, they should not have thought that but just use that way for fun and do not have high expectations about winning much money.
But we can not force them as that is their lives but we can suggest them not to be like that if they care about their lives.
That is a big loss that happens in your nation, so maybe your people should think more about playing gambling and reduce their time playing gambling.

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Quote from: traderethereum on December 16, 2021, 03:10:23 AM

I feel that we need to become rational and not react too much about winning or losing because those things will be part of the gambling.
No matter the result, if we can just accept, I think we will not think or feel too sad if we lose the money because we already know that playing gambling can cause us to lose the money.
It needs wiser to react to what we will get from gambling to play with ease and not have hard feelings when we lose because playing gambling will have consequences and risks.
If we can realize that, it will mature us in playing gambling.

That is the hardest part for many gamblers because there are still a lot of people who gamble to earn money. Unfortunately the idea that "I can earn money by gambling THIS way" is still in the heads of many people. For example sports betting is allowed in my nation, we do not have casinos and all but we have sports betting places and websites and all that, which in return gives people a chance to gamble legally, any sort of sports betting requires a license but as long as they have that, it is legal.

Last year the total loss was above 5 billion dollars total, FIVE BILLION DOLLARS! That is a huge amount for my nation, probably for most nations outside of the top 20 economies. So, I would say that people need to reel that back in a bit, it can't continue down this path and many people will get hurt if they keep gambling with the hopes of getting richer.

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Quote from: pawanjain on December 16, 2021, 09:49:48 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on December 16, 2021, 09:18:32 AM

Quote from: worle1bm on December 16, 2021, 12:22:44 AM

Quote from: pawanjain on December 15, 2021, 10:46:37 AM

Breaks are indeed necessary to stay active in the long run. Continuous gambling can risk us losing lot of money as well as getting us depressed over the loss.
Taking frequent breaks in between help us stay focused on our goals and gives us time to accumulate more money and increase our budget.
It also gives us time to rethink our strategy for the games we play. I have myself started gambling again after a long break in between.

You are right on the point that i also mentioned is if you take a break you can survive for long in gambling without any worries because regular stress gambling could lead to some problems as experienced by many gamblers who shared their journey so precaution is better than cure which are wise words.

I think I also need a break since more gambling means less sleeping time for me. Today I woke up really exhausted because I played for hours the last night.
It's the same situation when you like playing games, let's say DOTA2, and play non-stop. Rumor says human can die playing games because of exhaustion.

My good friend said that too much playing games, especially slots, could make you lazy. I find it true, so better take a break whenever you can because of health reason. Money is easy to get/spend but health is so precious.

I have never heard of that rumor but if it's true then this is some serious shit. Gambling is good but if it is at someone's health then it should be avoided at all cost.
I had taken a break earlier because I had lost more than I could afford to lose which is also my own mistake.
But it's kinda okay now. If you are sacrificing your sleep for gambling then I would say you have to cut down on gambling and make sure you don't get addicted to it.

No need to be surprised even without doing anything one can die Cheesy

Btw be careful out of the topic it's better to continue the discussion about gambling especially about duelbits

10 days to the final don't forget to hunt for tickets, remember even though our rival has many tickets he can only win 2 prizes Grin

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Quote from: mu_enrico on December 16, 2021, 09:18:32 AM

Quote from: worle1bm on December 16, 2021, 12:22:44 AM

Quote from: pawanjain on December 15, 2021, 10:46:37 AM

Breaks are indeed necessary to stay active in the long run. Continuous gambling can risk us losing lot of money as well as getting us depressed over the loss.
Taking frequent breaks in between help us stay focused on our goals and gives us time to accumulate more money and increase our budget.
It also gives us time to rethink our strategy for the games we play. I have myself started gambling again after a long break in between.

You are right on the point that i also mentioned is if you take a break you can survive for long in gambling without any worries because regular stress gambling could lead to some problems as experienced by many gamblers who shared their journey so precaution is better than cure which are wise words.

I think I also need a break since more gambling means less sleeping time for me. Today I woke up really exhausted because I played for hours the last night.
It's the same situation when you like playing games, let's say DOTA2, and play non-stop. Rumor says human can die playing games because of exhaustion.

My good friend said that too much playing games, especially slots, could make you lazy. I find it true, so better take a break whenever you can because of health reason. Money is easy to get/spend but health is so precious.

I have never heard of that rumor but if it's true then this is some serious shit. Gambling is good but if it is at someone's health then it should be avoided at all cost.
I had taken a break earlier because I had lost more than I could afford to lose which is also my own mistake.
But it's kinda okay now. If you are sacrificing your sleep for gambling then I would say you have to cut down on gambling and make sure you don't get addicted to it.

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Quote from: worle1bm on December 16, 2021, 12:22:44 AM

Quote from: pawanjain on December 15, 2021, 10:46:37 AM

Breaks are indeed necessary to stay active in the long run. Continuous gambling can risk us losing lot of money as well as getting us depressed over the loss.
Taking frequent breaks in between help us stay focused on our goals and gives us time to accumulate more money and increase our budget.
It also gives us time to rethink our strategy for the games we play. I have myself started gambling again after a long break in between.

You are right on the point that i also mentioned is if you take a break you can survive for long in gambling without any worries because regular stress gambling could lead to some problems as experienced by many gamblers who shared their journey so precaution is better than cure which are wise words.

I think I also need a break since more gambling means less sleeping time for me. Today I woke up really exhausted because I played for hours the last night.
It's the same situation when you like playing games, let's say DOTA2, and play non-stop. Rumor says human can die playing games because of exhaustion.

My good friend said that too much playing games, especially slots, could make you lazy. I find it true, so better take a break whenever you can because of health reason. Money is easy to get/spend but health is so precious.

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Quote from: worle1bm on December 16, 2021, 12:22:44 AM

Quote from: pawanjain on December 15, 2021, 10:46:37 AM

Quote from: worle1bm on December 14, 2021, 01:22:18 AM

Quote from: Eureka_07 on December 13, 2021, 12:36:49 PM

Thanks. Just planning to join in. Actually I was one of those early participants of these competitions from Duelbits. roycilik, Bitinity, whis, etc. I was one of them competing with each other. It just that I run out of luck and they are always the winners and I was like, left behind. So I tried to take a break and not think much about gambling matters. Now, I see there are more competition here compared before. I'm happy these contests are still running and we always have a chance to hop in and join them.

It's completely ok to take a break from gambling if you feel you are running out of money and want to have some refreshing breaks and then come back to play with active minds and don't feel sad if you were not able to win because it can take long to be lucky and be on the list with these fixed winners Cheesy

So just try and give it a shot and rest is all dependant on luck.

Breaks are indeed necessary to stay active in the long run. Continuous gambling can risk us losing lot of money as well as getting us depressed over the loss.
Taking frequent breaks in between help us stay focused on our goals and gives us time to accumulate more money and increase our budget.
It also gives us time to rethink our strategy for the games we play. I have myself started gambling again after a long break in between.

You are right on the point that i also mentioned is if you take a break you can survive for long in gambling without any worries because regular stress gambling could lead to some problems as experienced by many gamblers who shared their journey so precaution is better than cure which are wise words.

yes and when you are too stressed because of a long losing streak you could get emotional and want revenge on something you can control, therefore losing even more and making the losing streak stronger and harder to change.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on December 15, 2021, 10:02:34 AM

Quote from: traderethereum on December 15, 2021, 03:07:45 AM

<...>
We already have those experiences because losing and winning are part of the gambling games.
If you feel frustrated because of losing from the games, you need to take a break for a while to refresh your mind and stop thinking about gambling.
No matter what the result is when we feel tired, that is the sign that we really need to rest and leave the gambling for some time and not try playing more.
We can not force ourselves to play gambling, especially if our body and mind feel tired, which can trigger us to get more losses.

this reminds me of some philosopher or thinker that said that "if you want to stop carrying about criticism you should start by not valuing praises so much"
some would argue that winning and losing are just two sides of the same coin
of course we will feel better about winning, but maybe if we don't "care" so much about our wins and don't worry so much about our losses we can get to a more rational than emotional state and avoid getting too excited or too sad with daily life situations, including gambling.

You are right about that. I feel that we need to become rational and not react too much about winning or losing because those things will be part of the gambling.
No matter the result, if we can just accept, I think we will not think or feel too sad if we lose the money because we already know that playing gambling can cause us to lose the money.
It needs wiser to react to what we will get from gambling to play with ease and not have hard feelings when we lose because playing gambling will have consequences and risks.
If we can realize that, it will mature us in playing gambling.

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Quote from: pawanjain on December 15, 2021, 10:46:37 AM

Quote from: worle1bm on December 14, 2021, 01:22:18 AM

Quote from: Eureka_07 on December 13, 2021, 12:36:49 PM

Thanks. Just planning to join in. Actually I was one of those early participants of these competitions from Duelbits. roycilik, Bitinity, whis, etc. I was one of them competing with each other. It just that I run out of luck and they are always the winners and I was like, left behind. So I tried to take a break and not think much about gambling matters. Now, I see there are more competition here compared before. I'm happy these contests are still running and we always have a chance to hop in and join them.

It's completely ok to take a break from gambling if you feel you are running out of money and want to have some refreshing breaks and then come back to play with active minds and don't feel sad if you were not able to win because it can take long to be lucky and be on the list with these fixed winners Cheesy

So just try and give it a shot and rest is all dependant on luck.

Breaks are indeed necessary to stay active in the long run. Continuous gambling can risk us losing lot of money as well as getting us depressed over the loss.
Taking frequent breaks in between help us stay focused on our goals and gives us time to accumulate more money and increase our budget.
It also gives us time to rethink our strategy for the games we play. I have myself started gambling again after a long break in between.

You are right on the point that i also mentioned is if you take a break you can survive for long in gambling without any worries because regular stress gambling could lead to some problems as experienced by many gamblers who shared their journey so precaution is better than cure which are wise words.

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Quote from: worle1bm on December 14, 2021, 01:22:18 AM

Quote from: Eureka_07 on December 13, 2021, 12:36:49 PM

Thanks. Just planning to join in. Actually I was one of those early participants of these competitions from Duelbits. roycilik, Bitinity, whis, etc. I was one of them competing with each other. It just that I run out of luck and they are always the winners and I was like, left behind. So I tried to take a break and not think much about gambling matters. Now, I see there are more competition here compared before. I'm happy these contests are still running and we always have a chance to hop in and join them.

It's completely ok to take a break from gambling if you feel you are running out of money and want to have some refreshing breaks and then come back to play with active minds and don't feel sad if you were not able to win because it can take long to be lucky and be on the list with these fixed winners Cheesy

So just try and give it a shot and rest is all dependant on luck.

Breaks are indeed necessary to stay active in the long run. Continuous gambling can risk us losing lot of money as well as getting us depressed over the loss.
Taking frequent breaks in between help us stay focused on our goals and gives us time to accumulate more money and increase our budget.
It also gives us time to rethink our strategy for the games we play. I have myself started gambling again after a long break in between.

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Quote from: traderethereum on December 15, 2021, 03:07:45 AM

<...>
We already have those experiences because losing and winning are part of the gambling games.
If you feel frustrated because of losing from the games, you need to take a break for a while to refresh your mind and stop thinking about gambling.
No matter what the result is when we feel tired, that is the sign that we really need to rest and leave the gambling for some time and not try playing more.
We can not force ourselves to play gambling, especially if our body and mind feel tired, which can trigger us to get more losses.

this reminds me of some philosopher or thinker that said that "if you want to stop carrying about criticism you should start by not valuing praises so much"
some would argue that winning and losing are just two sides of the same coin
of course we will feel better about winning, but maybe if we don't "care" so much about our wins and don't worry so much about our losses we can get to a more rational than emotional state and avoid getting too excited or too sad with daily life situations, including gambling.

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Quote from: worle1bm on December 15, 2021, 01:05:38 AM

Quote from: lienfaye on December 14, 2021, 01:59:19 AM

Quote from: worle1bm on December 14, 2021, 01:22:18 AM

Quote from: Eureka_07 on December 13, 2021, 12:36:49 PM

Thanks. Just planning to join in. Actually I was one of those early participants of these competitions from Duelbits. roycilik, Bitinity, whis, etc. I was one of them competing with each other. It just that I run out of luck and they are always the winners and I was like, left behind. So I tried to take a break and not think much about gambling matters. Now, I see there are more competition here compared before. I'm happy these contests are still running and we always have a chance to hop in and join them.

It's completely ok to take a break from gambling if you feel you are running out of money and want to have some refreshing breaks and then come back to play with active minds and don't feel sad if you were not able to win because it can take long to be lucky and be on the list with these fixed winners Cheesy

So just try and give it a shot and rest is all dependant on luck.

Thats true, there's no need to pressure ourselves to win. If other gamblers are lucky, just think its really meant for them. But there's also a perfect time for you to be one of those winners again as long as you keep trying while having your own set limit.

Yesterday I play razor shark again, thought this time I might hit a nice multiplier but unfortunately its a bad day and lost all my money. Well, thats how it is, im planning to switch to other slot games and see where im lucky.

Yeah that's good way of keeping us engaged in gambling because we might feel frustrated with regular loss and I also have done it many times and it goes well with me and usually it's short break not too long and then i have fresh comd back to face next win or loss and this is that many gamblers follow.Rest we win if we are lucky so don't need to stress that much.

We already have those experiences because losing and winning are part of the gambling games.
If you feel frustrated because of losing from the games, you need to take a break for a while to refresh your mind and stop thinking about gambling.
No matter what the result is when we feel tired, that is the sign that we really need to rest and leave the gambling for some time and not try playing more.
We can not force ourselves to play gambling, especially if our body and mind feel tired, which can trigger us to get more losses.

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Quote from: lienfaye on December 14, 2021, 01:59:19 AM

Quote from: worle1bm on December 14, 2021, 01:22:18 AM

Quote from: Eureka_07 on December 13, 2021, 12:36:49 PM

Thanks. Just planning to join in. Actually I was one of those early participants of these competitions from Duelbits. roycilik, Bitinity, whis, etc. I was one of them competing with each other. It just that I run out of luck and they are always the winners and I was like, left behind. So I tried to take a break and not think much about gambling matters. Now, I see there are more competition here compared before. I'm happy these contests are still running and we always have a chance to hop in and join them.

It's completely ok to take a break from gambling if you feel you are running out of money and want to have some refreshing breaks and then come back to play with active minds and don't feel sad if you were not able to win because it can take long to be lucky and be on the list with these fixed winners Cheesy

So just try and give it a shot and rest is all dependant on luck.

Thats true, there's no need to pressure ourselves to win. If other gamblers are lucky, just think its really meant for them. But there's also a perfect time for you to be one of those winners again as long as you keep trying while having your own set limit.

Yesterday I play razor shark again, thought this time I might hit a nice multiplier but unfortunately its a bad day and lost all my money. Well, thats how it is, im planning to switch to other slot games and see where im lucky.

Yeah that's good way of keeping us engaged in gambling because we might feel frustrated with regular loss and I also have done it many times and it goes well with me and usually it's short break not too long and then i have fresh comd back to face next win or loss and this is that many gamblers follow.Rest we win if we are lucky so don't need to stress that much.

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Quote from: Eureka_07 on December 13, 2021, 12:36:49 PM

Thanks. Just planning to join in. Actually I was one of those early participants of these competitions from Duelbits. roycilik, Bitinity, whis, etc. I was one of them competing with each other. It just that I run out of luck and they are always the winners and I was like, left behind. So I tried to take a break and not think much about gambling matters. Now, I see there are more competition here compared before. I'm happy these contests are still running and we always have a chance to hop in and join them.

You can still hop in if you think that you're already prepared. One of the early participants of the competitions is really giving you the feeling that you're missing a lot when you've just stopped to take some break. But should you ready, you can always get back and join the others that have been competing with you or, if you think that you still have to take a break and you want to avoid thinking about gambling, keep on break and avoid thinking that much about it and take care of yourself.

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Quote from: Bitinity on December 14, 2021, 05:59:46 AM

Quote from: Dewi Aries on December 13, 2021, 02:52:16 PM

Has anyone noticed the total wager + ticket ? I mean by wagering $100 we get 2 tickets even though it should be 1 ticket
Today I collected 5 tickets even though my wager was not more than $500 maybe some of you can pay attention maybe I'm wrong or there is a error system.

How much you wagered today if you are able to remember it correctly. As long as I know, we need to claim the ticket, so maybe you have not claimed your previous tickets that you got before, so you collected more tickets today by claiming it. Lets say yesterday you wager 200$ got 2 tickets but you did not claim it, then today you wager 300$ and get 3 tickets. After that, you claimed it today so you get 5 tickets (2+3). Is it what happened with your case?

Well unfortunately I can't check the wager because the leaderboard has been reset but maybe the most plausible reason is because I haven't claimed the previous day's ticket so my ticket is doubled the next day. Indeed sometimes the ticket doesn't appear unless we refresh the page.

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Quote from: lienfaye on December 14, 2021, 01:59:19 AM

there's no need to pressure ourselves to win. If other gamblers are lucky, just think its really meant for them. But there's also a perfect time for you to be one of those winners again as long as you keep trying while having your own set limit.

Yesterday I play razor shark again, thought this time I might hit a nice multiplier but unfortunately its a bad day and lost all my money. Well, thats how it is, im planning to switch to other slot games and see where im lucky.

I would say that it is even fine if you do not get lucky at all. I am not saying that you have to get lucky or you can't get lucky,

both could happen and that is gambling. I had grand old wins in my time and I had bigger losses as well, specially in sportsbetting whenever I feel like there is a game guaranteed to make me money and I do parlay slips, they usually end up being very wrong. I keep seeing those people who do 1 to 5500 ratio stuff and all that, I keep losing under 100 odds and it does make me sad a bit but not that I am losing money.

When you are gambling you will lose money and I came to peace with that fact long time ago, no, what I am upset is that these people apparently know more about this sport than I do, they manage to make such big bets and win whereas I end up not being able to win even less amount which just shows me, maybe I do not know the sport I love all that very well? That's literally the only sad part about me, losing money is just side affect of it.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on December 13, 2021, 02:52:16 PM

Has anyone noticed the total wager + ticket ? I mean by wagering $100 we get 2 tickets even though it should be 1 ticket
Today I collected 5 tickets even though my wager was not more than $500 maybe some of you can pay attention maybe I'm wrong or there is a error system.

How much you wagered today if you are able to remember it correctly. As long as I know, we need to claim the ticket, so maybe you have not claimed your previous tickets that you got before, so you collected more tickets today by claiming it. Lets say yesterday you wager 200$ got 2 tickets but you did not claim it, then today you wager 300$ and get 3 tickets. After that, you claimed it today so you get 5 tickets (2+3). Is it what happened with your case?

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