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legendary
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September 20, 2013, 06:52:29 PM
Well maybe they had been doing it free on their own dime just because it needed doing, for so long, so well, that it seemed reasonable to invite them to do it officially on the company dime?

EDIT: As to auto-buying devcoins, maybe best would be to take half the budget and put a fifth of that on each satoshi of price from the highest current bid downward, that is put some at each of the top five satoshis or so of current bid; then periodically look again and if those sold replenish them or if current high bid is higher than the high was when you placed previous bunch, put more upward from there.

But basically don't do market orders, they are stupid, bid a price. Traders take crazy amount of advantage of auto-dumpers so whatever it happens to be that you are in effect "dumping for DeVCoins" traders will deliberately stand way the heck back far across as big a spread as they can maintain waiting for the next stupid autodump bot to give them a crazy price due to not looking what price others were asking for a similar volume of whatever it is the bot is dumping.

e.g. Adsense pays your site USD, so you plan to "dump" the USD for devcoins. Smart traders knowing some idiot is going to autodump USD for devcoins will try to lure it into giving a stupid price. So also don't put more on each price than is already there might also be wise for a bot, in case what is already there is just a lure set by a trader to try to trick the bot into offering $1000 USD at the price the trader is offering $0.01 USD or something like that...

-MarkM-
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September 20, 2013, 06:39:58 PM
Welcome shakezula and smeagol! Smiley

Are they THAT new? I thought maybe it had been like a month or so.
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September 20, 2013, 06:34:50 PM
Welcome shakezula and smeagol! Smiley
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September 20, 2013, 06:05:07 PM
If I was better with computers I would have stayed on as admin, but if I can't get paid for marketing I'm not really any use. But I've still been telling people about the coin, even when I was gone.
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September 20, 2013, 06:02:38 PM
The new devcoin admins, in decreasing order of seniority, are Shakezula and Smeagol. TaxReturn resigned because of too much real life work, which opened up an Article Admin position, he's welcome to rejoin whenever he wants. Shakezula was given the options of:

1) Checking to see that articles meet the devtome requirements.

2) Awarding the tiny (fraction of a share) bounties, and checking that paid maintenance work is being done.

3) Making up his own job.

He picked Article Admin, so he now handles writers whose first name starts with P-Z. I then gave Smeagol the extra options of Business Admin, since he's maintaining the devtome business page, and also the option of Category Admin, because I remembered that that was opened when Weisoq resigned, so his options were:

1) Handling a business page (what you're already doing), and businesspeople in general.

2) Categorizing the Latest articles on the devtome start page.

3) Awarding the tiny (fraction of a share) bounties, and checking that paid maintenance work is being done.

4) Making up his own job.

He picked Business Admin, so besides writing the business page, he'll also handle a new business thread and business bounties for everyone but him. If he qualifies for another business bounty, I'll award it to him. He also asked for moderation privilege, so I'll give him the password to the Aegis account, any admin can ask for the password to the Aegis account.

They both also picked File Admin position. I'm glad they both accepted, because we always need more admins, and now we can do more stuff.
legendary
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September 20, 2013, 05:54:30 PM
Back before we got flooded with authors devcoins were regularly selling for well over 200 satoshis each, now we have all these new authors it has not seen even 100 in gosh knows how long and is lucky, it seems, to see 40.

40 / 200 = 0.2  = 1/5 ... We could maybe divide all author pay by five and still have authors be able to get just as much fiat or bitcoin or whatever out of it as they get right now simply by placing their sell orders at 200 satoshis, which it used to hit quite regularly and barrel right on by even if millions were sitting there waiting to be bought so might well start doing again once floods of overpaid authors aren't dumping their grossly overhuge allotment of coins at the bottom of the price range.

(It used to also cycle down to the thirties then go back way the heck over 200, probably when enough rounds had gone by that someone figured even at dirt cheap rates they had enough to buy something with or somesuch. Likely when someone did dump a lot bringing the price way down word got around, people came to pick up coins cheap, but many of them took hours to hear about it so by the time they arrived to buy cheap coins the price was well on its way back up so they bought anyway before it went even farther back up... Oh and of course when it approached 300 people would hear about that too, come looking to sell way high, but again be beaten to it by people who were faster to hear about it and react so saw it was already on its way down so sold anyway being as how they already fired up their client and came to the exchange planning to sell...)

-MarkM-
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September 20, 2013, 05:44:40 PM
Here is an excerpt from ONE SECTION of the book.

There are now FANS, and people saying they want to know when the book is for sale:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255575

Post #48

But I looked through, and the girl that said she wanted to know when it was coming out had her post deleted I think. And other people stop in and say "thanks" or "loved it" and stuff.
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September 20, 2013, 05:41:35 PM
Here is an excerpt from ONE SECTION of the book.

There are now FANS, and people saying they want to know when the book is for sale:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255575
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September 20, 2013, 05:40:15 PM


What I'm saying is the actual book is worth more just as a sheer reference

And I have made it clear I plan on publishing... And no, it is worth more as a book.
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September 20, 2013, 05:39:40 PM
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September 20, 2013, 05:39:27 PM
MarkM, this opportunity is open to you too.  You write very well, though I can tell you are passionate about coding.  So why not write up a few articles each month--you could even use material from your posts here.  Then you would be benefiting from the system as it's set up and you could use your writing income to help you do what you really love which is coding.  A lot of people do that--work at something they maybe don't like as much but are good at so they can invest in their passion.  There's nothing stopping you from taking the Devtome writer opportunity and running with it.

Often when I write long posts such as I have in this thread I think hmm maybe I should make it a devtome page and just link to the page from the thread.

But every one of my posts has a link to devtome in my signature, and these posts usually/often mention devcoin and/or devtome, thus are relevant content with links to devtome, so should be helping to increase devtome's page-rank.

Also in case you had not noticed I relatively often include links to devtome pages directly in the text of posts, though you have now in effect reminded me that I have not yet gotten around to turning the word Martians or the phrase my page/article about Martians into an actual link to that page, which I should now go back and do, again to increase the page rank of a devtome page by having real content on a real forum, relevant to the specific page linked to, contain a link to a devtome page...

So I do my part by posting here, its just that mechanisms to make the effect my posts have here (if any) have on the pagerank of devtome pages or devtome itself in its entirety directly reward me are not currently in place.

Plus if my written reasoning here can succeed in getting 80 shares per author cut down to one share per author then my one share for being a whatever should be maybe not worth eighty times as much but sure as heck a hell of a lot more than it is while people are getting 80 shares a round for being an author... Wink

-MarkM-

I'm just saying you might as well cash in by publishing too, and it can be about how you would change the Devtome earnings, but you won't get paid until you actually invoice it on the Devtome Smiley

As for the 80 shares per writer, my rather unscientific observations have been that a writer usually gets 80 shares in a round once, maybe twice, and then they're done.  It is very difficult to consistently write that much original content in one month, so once you run out of already written stuff, you're not going to be able to keep that up.  The NaNoWriMo people aim to write 50,000 words of a novel during the month of November and that is a very intense time for them.  I bet they don't write much in December!  More realistically, a writer can write 20 to 30 shares worth per round--that's about how much I'm averaging.  It's plenty intense but still allows for the day job and other duties to be met, and it actually pays out rather well, even with other writers putting in 80 shares from time to time.  If the Devtome people decided to cap earnings at 40 shares starting in round 29, the vast majority of the writers wouldn't even notice.
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September 20, 2013, 05:38:43 PM


FIRST of all a review should NEVER be worth as much as the original material. Second of all it all depends on what people want to read (the ratings or views of articles) maybe sections that are "hot" get paid more than others becase they are drawing interest. Remixing words and rephrasing things in your own words is still not as creative and work intensive as the original idea or work. It's not like its worth nothing, but just not as much as I'd pay to read the original idea.

I am not "writing reviews" I am writing history in a form that is more understandable to regular people than these textbooks. You are completely misunderstanding the work.

History is history, sorry if it's not completely original. I am sharing it all in my own words though, no one else's.

So let me rephrase it this way... in the eyes of the general population what is worth more? Mastering Windows Server 2008 R2 by Mark Minasi or Windows Server 2008 for dummies? Care to wager? the reworded simplified version may be more handy to most people but it is "worth" less because of the work involved in its creation was less than the original. It's 50% cheaper.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people out there learning about Windows 2008. I honestly don't think you can make more. On other websites I have been sharing excerpts of my history book, and people are asking for more and suggesting that I read about their favorite person, because they want to hear about them in my words.

So I don't know what "Mastering Windows Server 2008 R2 by MM is", but are many people literally asking you personally to show them more?

What I'm saying is the actual book is worth more just as a sheer reference for when you need to look stuff up so it is worth more. Also more work was put in to create it thus it costs more. That's all I'm saying.

Educational material is huge because there are alot of people now coming online to learn about stuff that they couldn't pick up in highschool. I would find it interesting and even probably start to follow it myself if something like KhanAcadamy was writen up and made videos for. I know its copyrighted but something similar, an educational hub inside of devtome. Its very powerful stuff, but that website offers alot more than just reading material it offers some value add by giving stats of how well you are consuming material.
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September 20, 2013, 05:34:14 PM
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September 20, 2013, 05:31:35 PM
MarkM, this opportunity is open to you too.  You write very well, though I can tell you are passionate about coding.  So why not write up a few articles each month--you could even use material from your posts here.  Then you would be benefiting from the system as it's set up and you could use your writing income to help you do what you really love which is coding.  A lot of people do that--work at something they maybe don't like as much but are good at so they can invest in their passion.  There's nothing stopping you from taking the Devtome writer opportunity and running with it.

Often when I write long posts such as I have in this thread I think hmm maybe I should make it a devtome page and just link to the page from the thread.

-MarkM-

Do it.
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September 20, 2013, 05:29:35 PM
It's truly pointless to get into arguments about whose writing is worth more because it all really depends on who's buying.  I do not understand technical computer books so Windows for Dummies would definitely be more valuable to me, just to use an example.  

In the case of our contributions to the Devtome, the Devtome is buying.  In this case, their worth is what the Devtome is paying for them.  End of story.
legendary
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September 20, 2013, 05:29:19 PM
MarkM, this opportunity is open to you too.  You write very well, though I can tell you are passionate about coding.  So why not write up a few articles each month--you could even use material from your posts here.  Then you would be benefiting from the system as it's set up and you could use your writing income to help you do what you really love which is coding.  A lot of people do that--work at something they maybe don't like as much but are good at so they can invest in their passion.  There's nothing stopping you from taking the Devtome writer opportunity and running with it.

Often when I write long posts such as I have in this thread I think hmm maybe I should make it a devtome page and just link to the page from the thread.

But every one of my posts has a link to devtome in my signature, and these posts usually/often mention devcoin and/or devtome, thus are relevant content with links to devtome, so should be helping to increase devtome's page-rank.

Also in case you had not noticed I relatively often include links to devtome pages directly in the text of posts, though you have now in effect reminded me that I have not yet gotten around to turning the word Martians or the phrase my page/article about Martians in a recent post into an actual link to that page, which I should now go back and do, again to increase the page rank of a devtome page by having real content on a real forum, relevant to the specific page linked to, contain a link to a devtome page...

I also tend to go back and fix typo's and spelling mistakes and such in my forum-posts, so that the value of the link to devtome in my signature doesn't potentially get downgraded by any search engines that might consider the quality of the writing of an article or post in deciding how much weight to give it toward the rank of things it links to.

So I do my part by posting here, its just that mechanisms to make the effect my posts have here (if any) have on the pagerank of devtome pages or devtome itself in its entirety directly reward me are not currently in place.

Plus if my written reasoning here can succeed in getting 80 shares per author cut down to one share per author then my one share for being a whatever should be maybe not worth eighty times as much but sure as heck a hell of a lot more than it is while people are getting 80 shares a round for being an author... Wink

-MarkM-
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September 20, 2013, 05:28:07 PM
My history article is already #53 on all of devtome in views, and it's only a few weeks old.
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September 20, 2013, 05:24:47 PM


FIRST of all a review should NEVER be worth as much as the original material. Second of all it all depends on what people want to read (the ratings or views of articles) maybe sections that are "hot" get paid more than others becase they are drawing interest. Remixing words and rephrasing things in your own words is still not as creative and work intensive as the original idea or work. It's not like its worth nothing, but just not as much as I'd pay to read the original idea.

I am not "writing reviews" I am writing history in a form that is more understandable to regular people than these textbooks. You are completely misunderstanding the work.

History is history, sorry if it's not completely original. I am sharing it all in my own words though, no one else's.

So let me rephrase it this way... in the eyes of the general population what is worth more? Mastering Windows Server 2008 R2 by Mark Minasi or Windows Server 2008 for dummies? Care to wager? the reworded simplified version may be more handy to most people but it is "worth" less because of the work involved in its creation was less than the original. It's 50% cheaper.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people out there learning about Windows 2008. I honestly don't think you can make more. On other websites I have been sharing excerpts of my history book, and people are asking for more and suggesting that I read about their favorite person, because they want to hear about them in my words.

So I don't know what "Mastering Windows Server 2008 R2 by MM is", but are many people literally asking you personally to show them more?
legendary
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September 20, 2013, 05:22:05 PM


FIRST of all a review should NEVER be worth as much as the original material. Second of all it all depends on what people want to read (the ratings or views of articles) maybe sections that are "hot" get paid more than others becase they are drawing interest. Remixing words and rephrasing things in your own words is still not as creative and work intensive as the original idea or work. It's not like its worth nothing, but just not as much as I'd pay to read the original idea.

I am not "writing reviews" I am writing history in a form that is more understandable to regular people than these textbooks. You are completely misunderstanding the work.

History is history, sorry if it's not completely original. I am sharing it all in my own words though, no one else's.

So let me rephrase it this way... in the eyes of the general population what is worth more? Mastering Windows Server 2008 R2 by Mark Minasi or Windows Server 2008 for dummies? Care to wager? the reworded simplified version may be more handy to most people but it is "worth" less because of the work involved in its creation was less than the original. It's 50% cheaper.
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September 20, 2013, 05:22:01 PM
Why would any coder join the project when they can make as much coin pasting one thousand words they already wrote about anything to devtome as they would get if they regularly as a lifestyle freely spent ten hours OR MORE without pay working on some code project directly relevant to devcoin's mission for so long and so well that someone picked them out to nominate to receive a share of devcoins?

They'd make a lot more coin just pasting a few kilowords of man pages or issues/bugs/fixes/changes logs of an existing project entirely useless to devcoin to devtome than they would being a devoted lifestyle free open source contributor of code to devcoin-critical missions...

An investor would probably advise them in fact that it is stupid to code because of the opportunity cost of wasting time coding that could instead earn more coin "collating" free open source content such as wikipedia pages and pasting them to devtome. They'd advise don't even consider coding until you have pasted 240k of collated material or 80k of crap you have lying around from when you took a mandatory course in English in college or whatever.

-MarkM-

MarkM, this opportunity is open to you too.  You write very well, though I can tell you are passionate about coding.  So why not write up a few articles each month--you could even use material from your posts here.  Then you would be benefiting from the system as it's set up and you could use your writing income to help you do what you really love which is coding.  A lot of people do that--work at something they maybe don't like as much but are good at so they can invest in their passion.  There's nothing stopping you from taking the Devtome writer opportunity and running with it.

True shit. His posts could be copied and made into informative devcoin articles, when more than one came together it would cover a subject pretty fully.
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