Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 381. (Read 1059157 times)

Often when I write long posts such as I have in this thread I think hmm maybe I should make it a devtome page and just link to the page from the thread.

But every one of my posts has a link to devtome in my signature, and these posts usually/often mention devcoin and/or devtome, thus are relevant content with links to devtome, so should be helping to increase devtome's page-rank.

Also in case you had not noticed I relatively often include links to devtome pages directly in the text of posts, though you have now in effect reminded me that I have not yet gotten around to turning the word Martians or the phrase my page/article about Martians in a recent post into an actual link to that page, which I should now go back and do, again to increase the page rank of a devtome page by having real content on a real forum, relevant to the specific page linked to, contain a link to a devtome page...

I also tend to go back and fix typo's and spelling mistakes and such in my forum-posts, so that the value of the link to devtome in my signature doesn't potentially get downgraded by any search engines that might consider the quality of the writing of an article or post in deciding how much weight to give it toward the rank of things it links to.

So I do my part by posting here, its just that mechanisms to make the effect my posts have here (if any) have on the pagerank of devtome pages or devtome itself in its entirety directly reward me are not currently in place.

Plus if my written reasoning here can succeed in getting 80 shares per author cut down to one share per author then my one share for being a whatever should be maybe not worth eighty times as much but sure as heck a hell of a lot more than it is while people are getting 80 shares a round for being an author...

-MarkM-

My history article is already #53 on all of devtome in views, and it's only a few weeks old.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people out there learning about Windows 2008. I honestly don't think you can make more. On other websites I have been sharing excerpts of my history book, and people are asking for more and suggesting that I read about their favorite person, because they want to hear about them in my words.

So I don't know what "Mastering Windows Server 2008 R2 by MM is", but are many people literally asking you personally to show them more?

So let me rephrase it this way... in the eyes of the general population what is worth more? Mastering Windows Server 2008 R2 by Mark Minasi or Windows Server 2008 for dummies? Care to wager? the reworded simplified version may be more handy to most people but it is "worth" less because of the work involved in its creation was less than the original. It's 50% cheaper.

True shit. His posts could be copied and made into informative devcoin articles, when more than one came together it would cover a subject pretty fully.

MarkM, this opportunity is open to you too.  You write very well, though I can tell you are passionate about coding.  So why not write up a few articles each month--you could even use material from your posts here.  Then you would be benefiting from the system as it's set up and you could use your writing income to help you do what you really love which is coding.  A lot of people do that--work at something they maybe don't like as much but are good at so they can invest in their passion.  There's nothing stopping you from taking the Devtome writer opportunity and running with it.

I am not "writing reviews" I am writing history in a form that is more understandable to regular people than these textbooks. You are completely misunderstanding the work.

History is history, sorry if it's not completely original. I am sharing it all in my own words though, no one else's.

Devtome, and money-earning projects in general, is/are supposed to support not only themselves but the entire devcoin project/ecosystem.

Yes, the ad revenue is supposed to be used to buy devcoins on exchanges, thus hopefully giving devcoins some actual exchange-rate value.

In order for there to be devcoins for sale on those exchanges for the money-making sites such as devtome to buy, there need to be people or sites or something that actually earns devcoins directly somehow, such as miners and people who are such avid devoted producers of free open source stuff that they got nominated and approved for inclusion in the receivers files, that is to receive a share of devcoins.

The entire 200,000 devcoins minted each round is really only worth as much, all added up, as the amount of money the moneymaking projects manage to bring in each round, on average over time, unless some speculators speculatively buy some coins or some potential customer of a shop or something chooses to buy some coins so as to pay in devcoins for something at a shop (and the shopkeeper likely will only value the coins the customer pays them at pretty much the amount they can dump them on an exchange for, thus ultimately at whatever price the moneymaking projects/sites can afford to buy them for).

So far devtome doesn't seem to have brought in much money.

I would not be surprised if adding code for divvying up more than just the bitcoins to a merged mining p2pool turned out to bring in massively more money than devtome, but thanks to it being massively more lucrative to paste stuff to devtome than to write code for divvying up rewards among p2pool miners such a pool still does not yet exist.

(It could sell all the namecoins, groupcoins, i0coins, ixcoins, coiledcoins and geistgeld for devcoins and use those to pay its bandwidth/hosting/admin costs and reward miners for mining bitcoins at that zero fee p2pool rather than at some other bitcoin mining pool...)

-MarkM-

And I am literally reading a textbook about Classical Civilization while I chat here. And I'm not in any kind of school or class. This is a personal choice, funded by my other postings (books I wrote, etc).

FIRST of all a review should NEVER be worth as much as the original material. Second of all it all depends on what people want to read (the ratings or views of articles) maybe sections that are "hot" get paid more than others becase they are drawing interest. Remixing words and rephrasing things in your own words is still not as creative and work intensive as the original idea or work. It's not like its worth nothing, but just not as much as I'd pay to read the original idea.

So your telling me that if I read a textbook about classical civilization, and I write, IN MY OWN WORDS, about what I am reading. My work is not worth what someone's work is worth that writes about a computer game?

And I was ASKED to come post my books here. I was ASKED to post my rework. That is WHY I WAS INVITED TO DEVTOME. Jasinlee saw me posting my books in the Off-Topic section, and said "You know you can earn Devcoins for this on Devtome". And I came on over.

Uhh I didn't write that... but whoever said that was right, the intent was to say that work should be rewarded and not rework.

Who's trolling now? You can't even seem to get the right person to quote, your misquoting other people and putting words in my mouth lol

Please reread Weisoq's post again until you  "get it" because at this point you're not getting it. I think everyone should read it and understand what he is saying because it is exactly what me and MarkM are talking about aswell.

My point was that Devtome brings traffic to DEVCOIN, while the other things we are talking about don't even have threads inviting more people to earn shares for doing it.

So basically you are picking me out, and completely making assumptions and getting mad.

1st, I don't copy from blogs. Sure, I copied a few of my things from my blog, but I extended all of it, or compiled it to make a more informative piece for Devtome.

2nd, I was asked to post my books here. That is the SOLE reason they came to me in the first place.

3rd, If you are implying that I bought 30+ books to copy the writing out of them, you are completely wrong. I have been taking hundreds of pages, and compiling them into about 5,000 words each. My words.

Just curious, how do those ads pay out, do they payout in cash or btc? It would be ideal if those ads were paid out via purchasing dvc on the open market(since theres always sellers thers no probs getting a good rate on purchasing dvc in the open market as a market order). If these ads can support devtome this would be the most ideal situation as you wouldn't have to worry about any dumping at all! It would be 0 sum from the get go. Actually if sufficient revenue was coming out of the ads you can actually say that you can earn as much as the revenue is being generated. So by writing you have access to x amount of dollars converted to dvc in the pool from the generated revenue of ad clicks and views/page ranks etc. A self sustaining wiki which supports writers would be fantastic!

So the bounties are to support open sourced projects where it might be harder to make it profitable from it being proprietary.  That makes sense.

Because they are unconditional, the Devtome earnings could be used to start regular businesses that take payment in Devcoins.  There's no bounty tied to it, so therefore no strings on what kind of business you can start and how you run it and whether or not you share your secrets.  But of course you can't force writers to turn their earnings in that direction.  I've just noticed that some are, and I think the motivation is that it would do the Devcoin some good and it also has the potential to make them a profit.  The earnings provide a ready source of seed capital if you write enough.

Is writing for the Devtome a great opportunity?  Absolutely.  That's why I jumped on it.  Am I benefiting from it?  Yes.  It's not "gaming the system" to take advantage of a great opportunity, and I'm glad Weisoq pointed that out.

I don't understand the resentment against paying authors as it was explained when we signed up.  Why are we being called mercenaries just because we won't do it for free?  While I'm happy to write on my own blogs when I feel so inclined, I'm not going to take the time to publish it on another site without some benefit to me.  Why?  Because I have a family to support and bills to pay.  Only the independently wealthy can work for free without sacrificing something.  As for saying that it's not working if you republish content from your own blog, that's not so simple.  My writing for the Devtome actually caused me to start a blog, and it's being able to get paid by the Devtome which gives me the motivation to keep it up and republish the content on the Devtome.  So... which came first?  The licensing agreement allows me to both publish the content on the Devtome and use it on my own sites, so I do.  These days usually I publish to my blog and to the Devtome within the same ten minutes.  It's fresh content published in two places (and in many cases the *other* place carries a link to the Devtome).

If the Devtome changes in a major way because it's determined that it's not beneficial to the project and vision of Devcoin to continue as it is, that is totally fine by me.  The Devtome is the paying client and as such has the right to make whatever decision seems right to it.  So I would say if the current set up is not working, then by all means, let the Devtome decision makers come up with a better set up.  But in the mean time, the authors who are making the very rational choice of jumping on what's to us an amazing opportunity, are getting insulted, called fat cats and mercenaries, and all we've done was see an opportunity and run with it.  I'm not personally offended or anything; it's just weird taking this kind of heat for this, when it's not like it's up to us to change it or anything.  If I'm not being paid generation shares for writing someone else will be, so why shouldn't it be me?

Edit:  MarkM and others who work hard coding, some of you have written quite a lot on this thread in the past day or so.  Why not repurpose your thoughts into an article?  You probably could mostly copy/paste and put in some transition paragraphs and you'd have a pretty decent article that's worth at least one share.  You've already written the bulk of it for free.  Why not take that extra little step to get something out of it?  Then that could supplement your coding income.  That's what I'd do if I were in your shoes.

It wasn't him...

If Devtome draws traffic then its ads should make money so it should be able to pay its own way.

In fact it should even start to churn, with authors paying other authors to wikify (make into links) keywords in the other author's articles to point at the paying authors articles, or to write entire new relevant articles linking to their articles to increase their page-rank and stuff like that.

For example if my page about Martians was making money, for me, it might be worth my while to seek out all articles that mention our solar system, or the planet mars, or war, or gods of war (mars as in martial), or to write such articles, in order to have them link from such articles to my article about Martians, so I will earn even more money due to even higher relevance / page-rank of my page.

Why would any coder join the project when they can make as much coin pasting one thousand words they already wrote about anything to devtome as they would get if they regularly as a lifestyle freely spent ten hours OR MORE without pay working on some code project directly relevant to devcoin's mission for so long and so well that someone picked them out to nominate to receive a share of devcoins?

They'd make a lot more coin just pasting a few kilowords of man pages or issues/bugs/fixes/changes logs of an existing project entirely useless to devcoin to devtome than they would being a devoted lifestyle free open source contributor of code to devcoin-critical missions...

An investor would probably advise them in fact that it is stupid to code because of the opportunity cost of wasting time coding that could instead earn more coin "collating" free open source content such as wikipedia pages and pasting them to devtome. They'd advise don't even consider coding until you have pasted 240k of collated material or 80k of crap you have lying around from when you took a mandatory course in English in college or whatever.

-MarkM-

Smeagol is basically like the model of "What to do right now". And I kinda have a feeling he is the one that dumped the 60 mil, so that we could have a Amazon DVC business. No hate coming from me, I think it was a great idea. Not sure if it was him, but it makes sense.