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Is there still a bounty for a trading card game?  it would be a big undertaking, but not as big with crowdsourcing from the devcoin community.  We could make use of 3d printers too (first 3d trading cards would gain big publicity for devcoin) Grin

After looking at the Open Source Card Game WTactics CCG:
http://wtactics.org/

I see that it takes much longer to develop than I expected, so there won't be a direct bounty since we can't afford to pay for an entire game. However, we can pay for a limited amount of developers, so the first five people developing that game can apply to Metazilla to go on the devcoin share list and be paid that way. If there is more interest in the game and no objections, then we'll let more people go on the share list.
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Because an MMORPG would be massively expensive to create, development has pretty much inevitably always come back around to finances, and that is why we find things like the Open Transactions system coming to the foreground. In games like Freeciv the improvements players can build in their cities include markets, banks and stock exchanges. Open Transactions seems to be potentially useable for representing/simularign such things, and it touches upon finance, so  we end up with Open Transactions development going on because hopefully things like markets, banks and stock exchanges could be aspects of games in which games can intersect with finance and thus maybe find some means of financing games.

Eventually hopefully we could know within some individual character run aroud in sewers killing rats level of combat/adventure game what exactly would be involved if a player racked up enough wealth selling rat pelts to think about building a martket or a bank or a stck exchange. The much larger scale, based on Freeciv, that most players running around doing hand to hand combat with individual monsters probably tend not to care about will be covered for us by the much higher level larger scale Freeciv scale that manages an entire world at a time for us.

we would thus have built into the game an in-game "what it would take" to deploy an Open Transactions server representing a market, bank or stock exchange built in a specific game-year in a specific city on a specific planet.

So far of course all we have is the one Open Transactions server having to handle/represent all the business of all the cities of all the planets in the entire Galactic Milieu, but that again is of course due to finance/economics. How is even just that one Open Transactions server to pay for itself? Because obviously we cannot scale up to deploying one such server per each of the hundreds of cities that have a market, bank or stock exchange on each of the many planets of the Milieu if we cannot establish how such a server can finance itself. If however we can develop a business-model by which any individual server can finance itself then scaling up to tens or hundreds or thousands of servers is a lot more economically feasible, depending mostly on market depth as in how many cities' players actually choose to build a market, bank or stock exchange in their city or how many that do so choose to enable the detailed level of representation of such a city-improvement that an Open Transactions server can serve as.

So many problems end up coming down to economics/finance that I guess it should not be surprising that aspects of systems that touch upon finance keep ending up taking priority, since until finances are solved little else can be done other than by such volunteer labour as might from time top time choose to devote itself to some aspect of things.

Target audiences such as the denizens of bitcointalk forums do not even seem interested in all the MMORPG parts that many MMORPG players are looking forward to, they actually probably prefer dealing abstractly with stocks and shares and currencies without needing some "character" to walk past potential assassins or pickpockets to enter some "bank" building in order to deal with such things; they probably prefer to not have to deal with the city, the planet, the rats in the gutters and sewers, the pickpockets and muggers and bank-robbers, and just very abstractly buy and sell commodities, currencies stocks and shares on a website... Which is good, because it saves a lot of expense of providing graphic representations and personal combat systems and so on, allowing us to go direct to the financing before we even have the imagery and music and sound effects and all that stuff because all that stuff is used for aspects of the game that this target audience does not want to deal with anyway. Hopefully a win-win! Smiley

-MarkM-
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Well maybe we should somehow/somewhere make it clearer then how much of what is already being done all aims toward eventually having all the parts in hand to be able to hopefully all together act as a massively multiplayer game or entire collection of multiplayer games all integrated one way or another so that overall they all function as parts in a larger metagame.

-MarkM-


Or a go-to place for everything that people are doing for DevCoin in general. Reading through the thread I've seen tons of things people hint at but no real information on how you can get involved, what needs to be done for each project, the status of each project, etc. I'm sure a lot of us could help out with many of these projects if we knew what was needed and what's even going on.

I don't think that would be too hard to do, actually.  One could request/require that anyone working on a project that is covered by a bounty submit periodic (weekly most likely) progress reports about what is going on.  The reports should be concise, answer some specific questions, and then get added to a project's "progress blog."  One page could contain hotlinks to all the projects and their progress blogs.  People working on projects which aren't specifically covered by a bounty could be invited to also submit progress reports (maybe have some reward for doing so?).  Projects could be sorted by category, so all the gaming stuff could be grouped together and people who know and care about it can easily access it.  When someone new starts talking about how great it would be if this project happened (and it's already being worked on) it's a simple matter to refer that person to the place where all the information on that project is posted.  I would think something like this could be set up on the Devtome, but I'm not a coder or programmer so I could be wrong about that. 

If the Devcoin "powers that be" decide to run with this idea (or some modification), then one thing I would add is that the progress reports be written so that they can be understood by a nontechnical person (think potential investor).  They should be a summary, not a detailed report, and they can link to longer reports with more technical information so that those who want to learn more very easily can. 

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So it is already coded up and set to be released on coinzen then? just needs to be deployed? I'll have a look and see if I can do that on SMF structure otherwise or would possibly consider running that code on devcointalk instead/

No. The bounty is for someone to code it, preferably for SMF. I assumed the same person who coded it would put up coinzen, but if one person codes it and another makes the forum, the bounty would be split between them.


Is there still a bounty for a trading card game?  it would be a big undertaking, but not as big with crowdsourcing from the devcoin community.  We could make use of 3d printers too (first 3d trading cards would gain big publicity for devcoin) Grin

possible names:
devimon, devgimon?

Trading card will be fun, but will Pokemon take offense at our *mon? Smiley .  But if we can evolve a story line and start a TGC it will be a very profitable venture which will surely push up our coin much faster than even Bitcoin, which I feel seems to be getting stagnant after the initial reporting news.   But we have to look out for Ripple, they haven't got out of closed Beta yet and can be formidable.
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So it is already coded up and set to be released on coinzen then? just needs to be deployed? I'll have a look and see if I can do that on SMF structure otherwise or would possibly consider running that code on devcointalk instead/

No. The bounty is for someone to code it, preferably for SMF. I assumed the same person who coded it would put up coinzen, but if one person codes it and another makes the forum, the bounty would be split between them.


Is there still a bounty for a trading card game?  it would be a big undertaking, but not as big with crowdsourcing from the devcoin community.  We could make use of 3d printers too (first 3d trading cards would gain big publicity for devcoin) Grin

possible names:
devimon, devgimon?
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Yeah!  There's a new devcoin information site made by THE GOAT MASTER!  Check it out here: http://devcoin.info.se/

Tell me what you think!  I hope you like it!  Grin

Hey that's a good looking webpage Goat Master. Not baa-aaa-aaad at all.

hahahah!  no ba-aaa-aad at all.
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So it is already coded up and set to be released on coinzen then? just needs to be deployed? I'll have a look and see if I can do that on SMF structure otherwise or would possibly consider running that code on devcointalk instead/

No. The bounty is for someone to code it, preferably for SMF. I assumed the same person who coded it would put up coinzen, but if one person codes it and another makes the forum, the bounty would be split between them.
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Unless you maen something different I would feel like the bounty is designed for a website you have in mind (coinzen) as opposed to being open to us all.

It would be first on coinzen, but the code would be open source and any other forum could use it.
So it is already coded up and set to be released on coinzen then? just needs to be deployed? I'll have a look and see if I can do that on SMF structure otherwise or would possibly consider running that code on devcointalk instead/

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Or are you after the OP of one thread to be able to set a moderator on just the thread they start? not moderators site wide??
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as I fail to see how this would help stop troll and spam on other threads as no moderators would be set, except the site wide moderators.

It would stop the trolling quickly on that thread, even if the moderators are in general busy. Moderators get many complaints and little pay, so after a while they respond slowly or not at all. This way posters can keep a thread completely clean without having to wait for a moderator.

Also some trolls would give up on the site if they know that they'll be shut down quickly, which would lower the workload of the moderators, giving them more time to handle the site wide trolls.

Ok yes I can see you are trying to reduce the workload for forum admins and moderators and let the posters of the threads take responsibility of the site through their posts. So yeah again i'll look to see if this can be implemented on SMF as i got a few SMF forum sites running now and that would probably help out the admins on those sites to Smiley

I think the actual logistics should be more of only a person with say more than 5 posts can be a moderator on a thread... as the trolls and spam always finds a way through and you kinda want to vet the users on the forum but not limit the opinions of users with that so called "free speech" and all

Thanks for clarifying for me the requirements

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Unless you maen something different I would feel like the bounty is designed for a website you have in mind (coinzen) as opposed to being open to us all.

It would be first on coinzen, but the code would be open source and any other forum could use it.

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Or are you after the OP of one thread to be able to set a moderator on just the thread they start? not moderators site wide??

Yes.

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as I fail to see how this would help stop troll and spam on other threads as no moderators would be set, except the site wide moderators.

It would stop the trolling quickly on that thread, even if the moderators are in general busy. Moderators get many complaints and little pay, so after a while they respond slowly or not at all. This way posters can keep a thread completely clean without having to wait for a moderator.

Also some trolls would give up on the site if they know that they'll be shut down quickly, which would lower the workload of the moderators, giving them more time to handle the site wide trolls.
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I suggest redoubling the bounties which have not been awarded even in part. This would redouble the bounties for the forum, the Open Transactions Client (for Grandmas), the pool:
www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now

and Emfox's link faucet upgrade. Any objections?

There are no current objections, so the bounties have been redoubled. Forum email is now 24 shares plus 6 million devcoins, the Open Transactions Client (for Grandmas) is now 96 shares, and the pool is now 64 shares:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now

The Open Transactions Client (for Grandmas) bounty may be awarded soon:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2477344

I suggest another forum bounty, which would also get use of the coinzen domain name. This would be for adding a field to moderated threads to add moderators or ban people. Right now with the Aegis account a few people can moderate the thread, but it would be more convenient if the Original Poster could simply add moderators, rather than have to log in as Aegis, then log in again as someone else to post. Also, being able to ban trolls would be easier than going through the thread and deleting troll posts manually.

This would be 24 shares plus 6 million devcoins for adding moderators. Also 24 shares plus 6 million for banning trolls. Any objections?
 

I fail to see how this differs from devcointalk.org I have groups for devtome writers and devtome admins and they can moderate the whole forum if I tick one box to allow them the rights to.  Ban users, remove posts moderate any post etc.  Unless you maen something different I would feel like the bounty is designed for a website you have in mind (coinzen) as opposed to being open to us all.

Or are you after the OP of one thread to be able to set a moderator on just the thread they start? not moderators site wide?? as I fail to see how this would help stop troll and spam on other threads as no moderators would be set, except the site wide moderators.

FuzzyBear
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Maybe devtome's front page could be re-arranged to make it easier for people who land on it to branch out from there to various different centres of focus or something?

Once upon a time just the recent new pages list was so full of game pages it was pretty hard to miss the fact that a whole lot of it was about games or a game and maybe even to catch on to the idea of a metagame in which any/all games could fit as things that could equally well be viewed/played as being inside the game as being outside it.

Even bitcoin itself is part of the game, having been developed by the hacker civilisation supposedly, who supposedly are who the Martians got the blockchain technology from to create their own currency, Martian BotCoins. Since DeVCoin is a relative latecomer, it has not yet chosen a nation/civilisation within the game to which it is to be attributed. Maybe it is more a grass roots thing various people in various civilisations use or maybe because the Hacker nation is considered mythical maybe it is what various wannabe-Hackers on various worlds came up with to finance their attempt at creating an actual Hacker Nation since the one the Martians refer to seems not to be particularly existent...

-MarkM-
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Well maybe we should somehow/somewhere make it clearer then how much of what is already being done all aims toward eventually having all the parts in hand to be able to hopefully all together act as a massively multiplayer game or entire collection of multiplayer games all integrated one way or another so that overall they all function as parts in a larger metagame.

-MarkM-


Or a go-to place for everything that people are doing for DevCoin in general. Reading through the thread I've seen tons of things people hint at but no real information on how you can get involved, what needs to be done for each project, the status of each project, etc. I'm sure a lot of us could help out with many of these projects if we knew what was needed and what's even going on.
legendary
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Well maybe we should somehow/somewhere make it clearer then how much of what is already being done all aims toward eventually having all the parts in hand to be able to hopefully all together act as a massively multiplayer game or entire collection of multiplayer games all integrated one way or another so that overall they all function as parts in a larger metagame.

-MarkM-
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I was trying to come up with new ideas and I came up with another as well: a F2P MMORPG where everything is paid for using DevCoins. Much like the games that are already out, but instead of using cash to buy tokens for the cash shop, you would use DevCoins to buy the tokens (or just flat out use DevCoins altogether).

This would boost the value of them by a TON. It's also a pretty big undertaking though.

Go read the game development forum sites to get background on the idea of creating a MMPRPG.

Every idiot who knows nothing suggests it, go read/study though like none of them bother to do.

What does F2P mean, by the way?

While you are on insanely impractical notions, maybe build an entire new operating system from scratch? It doesn't need all the music and images and crap that an MMORPG does so you can probably do that much much easier, and you can build coins right into the operating-system.

Maybe reading the thread would have been polite too, so you would have known that actually despite how inansely impractical it is to try to build an MMPRPG nonetheless people are already hard at work on many many many littie pieces that such a thing would need, so that in however many years it takes to get all those pieces done the idea of creating an MMORPG won't seem so insane because we will actually have all the pieces already by then.

-MarkM-


I'm glad you know so much.  That is a very harsh post, considering what Ranlo shared was a brainstorm. 

If people here are serious about wanting Devcoin (of any cryptocoin) to go mainstream, I think it would accomplish way more to take the attitude here that no question or idea is a stupid one.  People are getting interested and getting involved with varying levels of prior knowledge and experience (and ignorance!), and are not going to feel welcome if they are treated like idiots just for mentioning something.  I personally welcome education so if I'm obviously ignorant about something, I welcome a polite and understandable explanation, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.  Those who know more, please do educate, but do so kindly.  Thank you.

What makes matters worse is he clearly didn't read my post... if he did he would have seen this part:

"This would boost the value of them by a TON. It's also a pretty big undertaking though."
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I was trying to come up with new ideas and I came up with another as well: a F2P MMORPG where everything is paid for using DevCoins. Much like the games that are already out, but instead of using cash to buy tokens for the cash shop, you would use DevCoins to buy the tokens (or just flat out use DevCoins altogether).

This would boost the value of them by a TON. It's also a pretty big undertaking though.

Go read the game development forum sites to get background on the idea of creating a MMPRPG.

Every idiot who knows nothing suggests it, go read/study though like none of them bother to do.

What does F2P mean, by the way?

While you are on insanely impractical notions, maybe build an entire new operating system from scratch? It doesn't need all the music and images and crap that an MMORPG does so you can probably do that much much easier, and you can build coins right into the operating-system.

Maybe reading the thread would have been polite too, so you would have known that actually despite how inansely impractical it is to try to build an MMPRPG nonetheless people are already hard at work on many many many littie pieces that such a thing would need, so that in however many years it takes to get all those pieces done the idea of creating an MMORPG won't seem so insane because we will actually have all the pieces already by then.

-MarkM-


I'm glad you know so much.  That is a very harsh post, considering what Ranlo shared was a brainstorm.  

If people here are serious about wanting Devcoin (or any cryptocoin) to go mainstream, I think it would accomplish way more to take the attitude here that no question or idea is a stupid one.  People are getting interested and getting involved with varying levels of prior knowledge and experience (and ignorance!), and are not going to feel welcome if they are treated like idiots just for mentioning something.  I personally welcome education so if I'm obviously ignorant about something, I welcome a polite and understandable explanation, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.  Those who know more, please do educate, but do so kindly.  Thank you.
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Yeah!  There's a new devcoin information site made by THE GOAT MASTER!  Check it out here: http://devcoin.info.se/

Tell me what you think!  I hope you like it!  Grin

Always times out while trying to load for me, =S

thats weird, sorry.  try the full url: http://devurl.site90.com/index.html
 Smiley
legendary
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Yeah!  There's a new devcoin information site made by THE GOAT MASTER!  Check it out here: http://devcoin.info.se/

Tell me what you think!  I hope you like it!  Grin

Always times out while trying to load for me, =S
hero member
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Yeah!  There's a new devcoin information site made by THE GOAT MASTER!  Check it out here: http://devcoin.info.se/

Tell me what you think!  I hope you like it!  Grin
legendary
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I was trying to come up with new ideas and I came up with another as well: a F2P MMORPG where everything is paid for using DevCoins. Much like the games that are already out, but instead of using cash to buy tokens for the cash shop, you would use DevCoins to buy the tokens (or just flat out use DevCoins altogether).

This would boost the value of them by a TON. It's also a pretty big undertaking though.

Go read the game development forum sites to get background on the idea of creating a MMPRPG.

Every idiot who knows nothing suggests it, go read/study though like none of them bother to do.

What does F2P mean, by the way?

While you are on insanely impractical notions, maybe build an entire new operating system from scratch? It doesn't need all the music and images and crap that an MMORPG does so you can probably do that much much easier, and you can build coins right into the operating-system.

Maybe reading the thread would have been polite too, so you would have known that actually despite how inansely impractical it is to try to build an MMPRPG nonetheless people are already hard at work on many many many littie pieces that such a thing would need, so that in however many years it takes to get all those pieces done the idea of creating an MMORPG won't seem so insane because we will actually have all the pieces already by then.

-MarkM-
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