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We are collectively responsible for each other.

Every form of top-down control is a form of collectivism and top-down control will always be necessary.

My paternal grandmother had very bad experiences in Poland right after WWII (with the Red Cross there).  Communists hassled her to no end, very bad.  I have a mental rash that hits me when I ponder Communism and its fellow-travelers.

And I had the chance myself to see Communism in action in E. Germany and Poland in 1984.

Long as you're not spending my money to do so (your sentence I marked in red)...

Wealth Redistribution and Class War

Without wealth redistribution, social chaos is unavoidable in an interest-bearing, debt-based money system, especially when growth slows...

We are collectively responsible for each other. Every form of top-down control is a form of collectivism and top-down control will always be necessary.

It is a mistake to view the current trend of leftism as some sort of disease. It is not. Leftism is simply the natural and inevitable result of the missignalling introduced into society by usury. Usury creates an eternal growth imperative that persists regardless of underlying conditions.

Usury was instrumental in destroying feudalism and releasing the tremendous economic growth that was previously inhibited by the restraints imposed by "nobility". However, nothing in the universe exhibits eternal exponential growth and usury requires this.

Leftism or collectivism is the expected and necessary result of an underlying structural and moral problem. Its not even bad really its is just inevitable consequence.

I will write more on this when I have time.

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I think also xSplit is unwilling to accept a world in which the children suffer if their parents don't or can't provide well for them. He thinks we are all collectively responsible for all the others. Again this is a low entropy philosophy of collectivism. Those who want to adopt or help others are free to do so, but forcing collectivism on everyone is a low entropy MEGADEATH directed outcome. Basically he demands that nature not be allowed to have failure and thus he demands non-existence. This is the common trait of the leftist insanity. Singapore will disagree successfully for a while because they can leverage their good fortune (of billions of cheap labor resources in Asia, etc), but eventually their idealistic insanity (this concept that everything must be "fair") may run it's course (I am still not yet 100% decided if their subsidy programs are rational investments in their citizenry or collectivist top-down misdirection of the free market, my intuitive reaction is they are appropriate in the small/seedling stage but need to be phased out over time lest they become Coasian misincentives).

The leftist "idealistic" ideology insanity is so self-destructive. They are culling themselves.
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It further argues that information (degrees-of-freedom) cannot be infinite or it would not converge to become knowledge.

Knowledge and Power by George Gilder


...Freedom must be subject to the constraint of convergence. Some top-down order must be maintained to prevent destructive chaos aka noise that would otherwise destroy rather than create knowledge.

The amount of top-down control needed increases in the presence of increased noise...

Freeman Dyson thinks science and religion aren’t at odds: “I think it’s only a small fraction of people who think that. Perhaps they have louder voices than the others . . . I think Richard Dawkins is doing a lot of damage. I disagree very strongly with the way he’s going about it. I don’t deny his right to be an atheist, but I think he does a great deal of harm when he publicly says that in order to be a scientist, you have to be an atheist. That simply turns young people away from science. He’s convinced a lot of young people not to be scientists . . . they don’t want to be atheists. I’m strongly against him on that question. It’s simply not true what he’s saying, and it’s not only not true but also harmful. The fact is that many of my friends are much more religious than I am and are first-rate scientists. There’s absolutely nothing that stops you from being both . . . Dawkins has the arrogance to say that anyone who does not share his views is infected with a virus. No wonder he cannot coexist peacefully with them”.

“For me, “ Dyson says, (much as Santayana had observed before him), “religion is much more about a community of people than about belief. It’s fine literature and music. As far as I can tell, people who belong to my church don’t necessarily believe anything. Certainly we don’t talk about that much. I suppose I’m a better Jew than I am a Christian. Jewish religion is much more a matter of community than it is of belief, and I think that’s true of us Christians to a great extent, too . . . they  [my parents] were practicing Christians, but not believing Christians . . . a practicing Christian is somebody who lives a Christian life and likes to worship in common with a lot of other people and considers the church as a community to which to belong, but you don’t inquire closely as to what the others believe. Of course, some people take belief very seriously, and others don’t.  My conception of God is not weakened by my not knowing whether the physical universe is open or closed, finite or infinite, simple or multiple. God for me is a mystery, and will remain a mystery after we know the answers to these questions . . . I cannot imagine that he is greatly impressed by our juvenile efforts to read his mind . . . I don’t remember the context out of which this remark arose. Maybe I was thinking of the fight between Galileo and the Aristotelian philosophers of his day. The Aristoteleans wanted to keep the heavens separate from the earth so there would be room for God in the sky. Galileo said the moon was a world like the earth with mountains and seas. Translated into modern language, Galileo was saying that the size and shape of the universe are not telling us anything about God.”

Cosmology and the Divinity Blankie

“It [biology, physics and quantum mechanics]  impacts upon our understanding of theology,” Dyson has said, “ What I was pointing out is that human theology is based on our own value system – above all our knowledge of good and evil as we experience it. Take an autistic child. I took the case of Jessica Park, who is a friend of mine who happens to be autistic. If she had a theology, it would be quite different because she cannot understand other people suffering. She has no conception of other people’s existence in the way we have. It’s a radically different world that she lives in. You can tell by the fact that she can’t understand the difference between ‘I’ and ‘you’. She uses the words indiscriminately. So the idea of a suffering savior would have no meaning for her at all. If she had a theology, it wouldn’t involve sin. One thing that is characteristic of autistic people is that they cannot tell a lie. Jessica never tells a lie because to tell a deliberate lie, you have to have the idea of deceiving somebody. That’s something she couldn’t imagine. Since there is no sin, there can be no fall from grace and no redemption. The example of Jessica shows us how our own view of the world might be equally skewed. There may be many essential features of the world to which we are blind, just as she is blind to other people’s thoughts and feelings. So our theology also reflects our possibly skewed view of the world.”

What Dyson has said is that it’s impossible to observe both the scientific and the religious aspects of human nature at the same time. “For me,” he says, “science is just a box of tricks, and I enjoy playing with them. It’s a form of exercise. It has nothing to do with philosophy, certainly even less to do with religion. It’s essentially just a skill that I happen to have learned. Some people think about science much more solemnly. For me, science has nothing much to do with deep thoughts.”

*Technological progress does more harm than good unless accompanied by ethical progress. The free market by itself will not produce technologies access-friendly to the poor.

Again this is a low entropy philosophy of collectivism. Those who want to adopt or help others are free to do so, but forcing collectivism on everyone is a low entropy MEGADEATH directed outcome. Basically he demands that nature not be allowed to have failure and thus he demands non-existence. This is the common trait of the leftist insanity.

Knowledge and Power by George Gilder

R&L: What has been the impact of environmentalism on American economic and spiritual life?

Gilder: The essential proposition of the environmental movement, that we should protect our environment, is positive. But it has been delivered over to an almost entirely dishonest, deceitful, and scientifically discreditable movement. It is amazing how any group could perpetrate so many preposterous howlers in a row and retain the respect and attention of the country and the press. And it really has become a kind of pseudo-religion, a new kind of paganism. It is accepted as the only religion in our public and most of our prestige private schools. They all worship nature in this perverted way.

Environmentalism is part of this multicultural vision which denies that any one culture is better than any other. Indian culture didn’t fail because it was virtuous. It failed because it was a corrupt and unsuccessful culture. These tribal cultures they are trying to import from Africa are tragic failures, too. To uphold these destructive cultures that have been virtual social suicide for the people who live in them is a terrible perversion. That is what multiculturalism is. And environmentalism is a kind of religious rite of the multiculturalists.

On his deathbed, he confessed to his nephew that he regretted his decision to surrender.[37] His last words were reported to be said to his nephew, "I should have never surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive."

Such twisted thinking follows naturally from a culture of entitlements. The concept that are "owed" large financial rewards from birth. In a world of entitlements more children means less for those already born. Thus it becomes logical to turn on the unborn.

[discussion of the mind control and hedonism of Internet addiction]

Start on this page for the punch line:

http://www.starfishandspider.com/preview/16.html

I agree with this. I contemplate if there are ways we could get organized and fight back as a society of like minded men, but we also have to remember that we are all different. So what would be our common goal or bond that would be compatible with increasing tolerance of differences (i.e. increasing degrees-of-freedom) yet also sustain the coordination long-term across generations?

Even my Cherokee ancestors who were very organized and well guarded canyon entrances were duped by some traitors within their ranks, then ensued the Trail of Tears. That was done by Andrew Jackson, that so many goldbugs admire.

What is the absolute truth that would unite men?

When Jason Hommel asked me in 2006 what was my goal (he is a psychology major), I said, "I want to know the truth".

Edit: the unstoppable power of leaderless organization:

http://www.starfishandspider.com/preview/index.html

If we do not compete with our genetics, then the entropy declines and we (humans) potentially go extinct.

If you are so enlightened with the truth, why does your truth require you to ridicule my free will?

Without free will, how could our existence be anything but prescripted puppets?

I am warning you that CoinCube and I (and others here) are very intelligent and you had better be prepared to defend your logic. Running away isn't impressive.

1) I consider myself a spiritual being, no DNA defines me but only my will
2) No experience will save you from death and what comes before it
3) If you want a family adopt a child do not make new ones, stop pretending to love your children only because they come from your sperm

I have nothing more to say, you are clearly deluded as about 90% of people on earth, and this is why you are creating hell on earth

You apparently did not have a loving family environment in your youth.

Nature takes care of culling those who aren't moving towards higher entropy. We don't have to become psychotic about the wonderful experience of family, but if you didn't experience this then your psychology would be warped.

Frankly I didn't experience all the loving family experience, but I got a taste of it, so I have some inkling of its worth. Yet I had enough suffering to relate to your psychology but I know it isn't healthy. You are culling yourself (your DNA).

>you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKPhjkw3Y84

xSplit has suffered a lot. Try to understand his psychology with empathy. How could we turn his experiences and give him hope?

...don't let fear control you, having a family gives you something to live for when everything else collapses.
I can forget the rest of the world exists when I spend time with them, the marxists will cull themselves and that's not a bad thing, don't get caught up in the cancer of politics and swept away by fear.
Do your own thing and only worry about that which truly matters.

I have watched my own friends turn into hardcore SJW'S in the last 12 months, you can't do a damn thing about this, I have really tried, now I just have to laugh at it all and enjoy the freakshow they're putting on.