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January 11, 2017, 08:01:21 PM
The reserve currency is a narrow phenomenon that has more to do with the dying Industrial Age (see my comments in the Economic Devastation thread for more insights).

Bitcoin is serving a purpose in this evolution but it is not the be-all or end-all of this technological transformation.

Make sure you read this:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17458485

As you've stated, Bitcoin could become the world's reserve currency - the institutional playground.

I have never said that and have instead argued that it won't be the reserve currency. Perhaps you are confusing where I have written that Bitcoin is the reserve currency of the altcoin ecosystem.

Yes, my mistake - altcoin reserve.

Would it be possible for Bitcoin to become a global reserve currency at all? I'm assuming competitive collusion among major governments along with addition of control and tracking sufficient to enable AML/KYC for those governments.

The coming SDRs reserve currency will be a compromise by all the nations to fix the coming strong dollar vortex global collapse. That reserve currency is for the Industrial Age economy (the one built with huge fixed capital investment and huge fractional reserve banking leverage). The leftists (collectivists) are enslaving themselves in that dying, but huge albatross monolith. Gold is dying along with that physical economy. We will still have a physical economy, but it will provide no real economic growth and it will become very small in terms of profit relative to the Knowledge Age economy over the coming decades.

Bitcoin, blockchains, and altcoins are the decentralization technology of the fledgling Knowledge Age which rises to replace the dying Industrial Age, as a network effect of the decentralized Internet. Bitcoin is the reserve currency of that new nascent economy.

The economy and society are bifurcating. I predicted this years ago and have been using that term bifurcation.
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January 10, 2017, 01:09:12 PM
He categorically predicted the complete collapse of BTC and XMR.

I have not seen him predict the complete collapse of BTC and I have read a good portion (but definitely not all) of his stuff. Do you have a link to back that up?

Here is proof coinits is lying:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17297476
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17295418


I remember him arguing that BTC will eventually centralize and fall under government control way back in 2014 but even in that scenario BTC would not necessarily collapse. It would probably become some kind of official government quasi-fiat money and would probably be quite valuable.  

I have also written numerous times that the centralization of Bitcoin wouldn't necessarily lead to a price collapse.

And I was correct about the centralization. I was also correct in 2013 predicting the blocksize as the future problem and a tragedy of the commons in transaction fees (which my whitepaper will make crystal clear is insoluble for Bitcoin).
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January 10, 2017, 12:53:00 PM
You predicted BTC to crash to less than $100 by now. You predicted XMR was a nothing coin. Care to offer your thoughts now?

I have not really been following all iamnotbacks BTC predictions but I am aware of the following predictions.

On October 14th 2014 when the price was around $374 he predicted a sustained BTC decline to $150.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9195517
It did not get there but it did decline and spiked down close to that on January 14th 2015.

Plz read that post of mine again. I did not write "sustained". I merely called for a bottom in the $150 - $200 range, which ended up being true!

Also I alluded in that post to prior public predictions I had made when it was $600 predicting it would fall to the $300s, which is did!

He also more or less predicted a rally on Nov 7th when the price was $704. That has been accurate.  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16769509

I made that prediction earlier than that on Oct. 27. Even OROBTC will confirm that I was telling him in PMs to buy BTC in the mid-$600s.

Re: Speculation Rule: buy when others are irrationally pessimistic or too cautious

I have blogged the OP:

https://steemit.com/money/@anonymint/speculation-rule-buy-when-others-are-irrationally-pessimistic-cautious

I also wrote this:

Any one buying precious metals right now and not Bitcoin @$700 is an idiot.
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January 10, 2017, 11:46:53 AM
CoinCube, you are correct, I can't predict the mix of culling, slowly moving fertility adjustment, abrupt migration, and good ideas conquering bad ones in the free market.

It is possible of course that no wholesale culling is necessary. But even a period of adjustment can be quite unpleasant for those of us enslaved in the leftists' bad idea regime of rising taxes and other forms of Economic Totalitarianism.

Another factor is that Asia is more productive than its current level of collectivism, thus the remnants of the Industrial Age are shifting over there, e.g. China swallowed the world's mass production.

The megadeath in the West is much more likely if the West can succeed in trapping its citizens in the West with no escape routes to Asia, such as the onerous FATCA legislation (will Trump repeal it?) and Merkel's EU prison.

If the West goes to war with Russia+China, that could pave the way for a culling. Also the civil war fomenting in the USA between left vs. right.

Don't forget the coming Mini-Ice Age confirmed by scientists. Also if the magnetic poles flip, the combined effects could cause massive culling, especially if combined with a plague which is overdue.

We need to watch how the leftists gain or don't gain power as they hate on Trump. And we need to observe if Trump is really a totalitarian in sheepskin.

Also the coming elections in France and Germany.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17462465
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/europes-current-economy/germanys-misreading-of-economic-history/
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legendary
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January 10, 2017, 06:19:05 AM

I think all this theoretical divagation is taking our eyes off the ball.

The leftists are going to fuck up this world with another megadeath...

You should try to be less pessimistic. If we accept that top-down order (with socialism being one form) plays a role in the organization necessary to spawn new entropy, e.g. decentralizing technology. We must consider the possibility that the current global order is actually lacking in top-down control.

This idea is anathema to the anarchist and hard for us to accept as we live in a the west with our tradition of individualism and moral self-control. However, we must remember that overall freedom is a global metric. The majority of humanity still lives under governments like oligarchic China and tyrannical Saudi Arabia. Thus in the near term the system may simply be trending towards towards increased global freedom which for now requires the reigning in of the nation state.

The great push back towards individual freedoms may simply be the task of the next generations who will inherit a world where the power of the nation state has faded.

You seem to be forgetting my thesis, which is that the leftists are destroying the Industrial Age and culling themselves. It is a necessary creative destruction to usher in the Knowledge Age.

Refer to my post in the Martin Armstrong thread (and click all my links there):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17458485

And I countered by saying that to the degree necessary the issue will solve itself over time.

If one accepts the premise that the economy is a noosphere (a mind-based system). It follows naturally that it can revive as fast as minds and policies can change. The concept of large scale selective culling of the population or generations of Sisysphean effort become redundant. All that is needed is the free competition of ideas. It is only the bad ideas that need to be culled. The concept of the economy as a noosphere is conceptually true if your prior essay Information is Alive is true for the ideas presented are more or less synonymous.

Creative destruction need only be the destruction of bad ideas. Even if bad ideas are resilient and I acknowledge they sometimes are demographics not culling will solve the issue over time as I discussed in the Health and Religion thread. For example:

American Jewish Fertility by Religious Current
Religious SectAverage No. of Children per Woman
Ultra-Orthodox6.72
Modern Orthodox3.39
Conservative1.74
Reform1.36
Secular1.29

Now if your argument is that the combination of changing ideas coupled with gradual demographic shifts is creative destruction then we agree.
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January 10, 2017, 06:03:31 AM

I think all this theoretical divagation is taking our eyes off the ball.

The leftists are going to fuck up this world with another megadeath...

You should try to be less pessimistic. If we accept that top-down order (with socialism being one form) plays a role in the organization necessary to spawn new entropy, e.g. decentralizing technology. We must consider the possibility that the current global order is actually lacking in top-down control.

This idea is anathema to the anarchist and hard for us to accept as we live in a the west with our tradition of individualism and moral self-control. However, we must remember that overall freedom is a global metric. The majority of humanity still lives under governments like oligarchic China and tyrannical Saudi Arabia. Thus in the near term the system may simply be trending towards towards increased global freedom which for now requires the reigning in of the nation state.

The great push back towards individual freedoms may simply be the task of the next generations who will inherit a world where the power of the nation state has faded.

You seem to be forgetting my thesis, which is that the leftists are destroying the Industrial Age and culling themselves. It is a necessary creative destruction to usher in the Knowledge Age.

Refer to my post in the Martin Armstrong thread (and click all my links there):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17458485
legendary
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January 10, 2017, 01:53:20 AM
legendary
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January 09, 2017, 05:50:53 PM
...

CoinCube

All comments re the universe and similar are just my best guesses based on much less than you and iamnotback have both investigated.  I have not looked at the latest in astrophysics (etc.) in, well, decades!

But, I have had my own (I'll use the right word for me) miracles happening in my own life, since I have recovered and re-connected.

* * *

Nor have I had time to read all of iamnotback's material, much less understand it.  (We'll have to ask him if we can refer to him as SHM, smile)

So, I cannot really comment well on notions of absolutes and constants...

Even from a morality standpoint <--- which would reflect my personal experience only, as I am untrained in the philosophical concepts behind morality and related.

Also, prediction (especially about the future...) is very hard.  I have not had the time nor the energy to carefully examine his (and Martin Armstrong's) predictions about items of interest to me (gold and BTC price for starters).  But, should gold NOT crash to $800 in the next months, well that will tell me something, reinforce what I have just claimed (the future being unknowable).  But should gold go down to $800 or lower, maybe I'll ask SHM if he offers subscriptions........   

Smiley
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January 09, 2017, 05:00:53 PM
"I have explained that we can't exist (the past and future will collapse) if there could exist an absolute truth..."

That right-handedness is not left-handedness?

It may also prove that there is at least one other universe, but that's a different arguement ...
legendary
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January 09, 2017, 11:41:57 AM
He categorically predicted the complete collapse of BTC and XMR.

I have not seen him predict the complete collapse of BTC and I have read a good portion (but definitely not all) of his stuff. Do you have a link to back that up?

I remember him arguing that BTC will eventually centralize and fall under government control way back in 2014 but even in that scenario BTC would not necessarily collapse. It would probably become some kind of official government quasi-fiat money and would probably be quite valuable.  
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January 09, 2017, 07:48:01 AM
You predicted BTC to crash to less than $100 by now. You predicted XMR was a nothing coin. Care to offer your thoughts now?

I have not really been following all iamnotbacks BTC predictions but I am aware of the following predictions.

On October 14th 2014 when the price was around $374 he predicted a sustained BTC decline to $150.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9195517
It did not get there but it did decline and spiked down close to that on January 14th 2015.

He also more or less predicted a rally on Nov 7th when the price was $704. That has been accurate.  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16769509

His predictions have not been perfect but overall he has been more accurate then most.

He categorically predicted the complete collapse of BTC and XMR.
STT
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January 08, 2017, 11:01:18 PM
It does also depend which currency you consider bitcoin in.   Surely there is some rising country with a national currency comparing well or least far better then dollar vs bitcoin.

Dollar is not a solid rock to measure distance by, it moves all by itself.  Just about the price of anything vs dollar should rise over time if we consider its decline since 1913

legendary
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January 08, 2017, 09:20:32 PM
You predicted BTC to crash to less than $100 by now. You predicted XMR was a nothing coin. Care to offer your thoughts now?

I have not really been following all iamnotbacks BTC predictions but I am aware of the following predictions.

On October 14th 2014 when the price was around $374 he predicted a sustained BTC decline to $150.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9195517
It did not get there but it did decline and spiked down close to that on January 14th 2015.

He also more or less predicted a rally on Nov 7th when the price was $704. That has been accurate.  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16769509

His predictions have not been perfect but overall he has been more accurate then most.
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January 08, 2017, 08:42:33 PM
Quote from: Perry Marshal
That high school geometry book is built on Euclid’s five postulates. Everyone knows the postulates are true, but in 2500 years nobody’s figured out a way to prove them.

Yes, it does seem perfectly reasonable that a line can be extended infinitely in both directions, but no one has been able to PROVE that. We can only demonstrate that they are a reasonable, and in fact necessary, set of 5 assumptions.

Actually Euclid is incorrect.

A line can't remain perfectly "straight" over unbounded extent of spacetime.

His model only worked in an imaginary or bounded world with a total ordering.

Thus all the math that follows from it is somewhat useful but not absolute. It fails in the real and theoretical world at certain extremes or scales.

...I'll write more later... need to try to sleep...

You predicted BTC to crash to less than $100 by now. You predicted XMR was a nothing coin. Care to offer your thoughts now?
legendary
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January 08, 2017, 08:16:28 PM
I remember in college some of our friends would on occasion discuss "cosmic things".  One of my friends was a very smart electrical engineering student.  He had his own little theory (not fleshed out, but you'll get the idea):

That the universe when (if it) contracts and re-emerges changes various physical constants (Planck's Constant, the speed of light, gravitational force, etc.) might change too.  This would have all kinds of interesting knock-on affects (like life!).  My friend's notion, of course, cannot be proved.

But, can we really prove that the above three examples never change?

OROBTC I am among those who thinks your friend may be correct.


I have explained that we can't exist (the past and future will collapse) if there could exist an absolute truth...

Please review my archives for the recent posts explaining the science of what I have just written above. Perhaps CoinCube could quote for you all if he is interested, to prove he even understood what I had been writing lately (not sure if he does).

iamnotback you have not made the case that an absolute truth cannot exist though perhaps you made this argument somewhere I am not aware of. In your essay The Universe you instead made this claim.

"If the speed-of-light were infinite, the time domain (and thus reality) would collapse to a single point, because all future changes in configuration would occur instantly."


There are a minority of scientists who believe that this is the exact the condition of the universe at the start of the big bang.

Scientists Think the Speed of Light Has Slowed, and They're Trying to Prove It
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/light-speed-slowed
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But in the late 1990s, a handful of physicists challenged one of the fundamental assumptions underlying Einstein’s theory of special relativity: Instead of the speed of light being constant, they proposed that light was faster in the early universe than it is now.

This theory of the variable speed of light was—and still is—controversial. But according to a new paper published in November in the physics journal Physical Review D, it could be experimentally tested in the near future. If the experiments validate the theory, it means that the laws of nature weren’t always the same as what we experience today and would require a serious revision of Einstein’s theory of gravity.

"The whole of physics is predicated on the constancy of the speed of light."
...
So just how much faster was light speed just after the Big Bang? According to Magueijo and his colleague Niayesh Afshordi, an associate professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Waterloo, the answer is “infinitely” faster.

The duo cite light speed as being at least 32 orders of magnitude faster than its currently accepted speed of 300 million meters per second—this is merely the lower bounds of the faster light speed, however. As you get closer to the Big Bang, the speed of light approaches infinity.

On this view, the speed of light was faster because the universe was incredibly hot at the beginning. According to Afshordi, their theory requires that the early universe was at least a toasty 1028 degrees Celsius (to put this in perspective, the highest temperature we are capable of realizing on Earth is about 1016 degrees Celsius, a full 12 orders of magnitude cooler).

As the universe expanded and cooled below this temperature, light underwent a phase shift—much like liquid water changes into ice once the temperature reaches a certain threshold—and arrived at the speed we know today: 300 million meters per second. Just like ice won’t get more "icy" the colder the temperature gets, the speed of light has not been slowing down since it reached 300 million meters per second.

If Magueijo and Afshordi’s theory of variable light speed is correct, then the speed of light decreased in a predictable way—which means with sensitive enough instruments, this light speed decay can be measured.

"Varying speed of light is going back to the foundations of physics and saying perhaps there are things beyond relativity."
...
Now that they’ve used the variable light speed theory to put a hard number on the spectral index, all that remains to be seen is whether increasingly sensitive experiments probing the CMB and distribution of galaxies will verify or overturn their theory. Both Magueijo and Afshordi expect these results to be available at some point in the decade. But Marsh and other physicists aren't so sure.

If their theory is correct, it will overturn one of the main axiom’s underlying Einstein’s theory of special relativity and force physicists to reconsider the nature of gravity. According to Afshordi, however, it is more or less accepted in the physics community that Einstein’s theory of gravity cannot be the whole story

Is Light Slowing Down?
http://opfocus.org/index.php?topic=story&v=8&s=4
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it was observed by Hubble at the beginning of the XX century that galaxies appear to be moving away from the Earth at a velocity that is proportional to their distance from us. The standard explanation is that galaxies are being thrown apart from the expansion of space-time. Imagine drawing some red spots on a balloon and inflating it, the spots (galaxies) would recede from each other at a speed proportional to their distance due to the dilatation of the plastic (space-time). The drawback of this hypothesis is that it needs to postulate the existence of the famous dark matter, which has never been observed and would still constitute 70% of the Universe’s mass. However, if c were decreasing over time, the Hubble effect would turn out to be a simple optical effect, eliminating the need to postulate the existence of the dark matter, as proposed by P. I. Wold back in 1935.

The evidence reported by Sanejouand points towards a possible slowing down of c of about 0.02-0.03 m/s per year. This is extremely small compared with the actual value of c: it would be like having 1 billion dollars in a bank account and losing a few cents per year. However, "the constancy of the speed of light is one of the fundamental pillars of contemporary physics," explains Sanejouand, "so the possibility that it may instead vary (even at a slow rate) has far reaching consequences (although mostly on the theoretical side)." Even though the hypothesis of the slowing down of the speed of light is still a very speculative one, "people like Barrow, Magueijo, as well as John Moffat," Sanejouand concludes, "have opened the way by showing that physically consistent theories in which the speed of light is varying in time can indeveloped in a safe and rigorous way."

Speed of Light Not so Constant After All
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/speed-light-not-so-constant-after-all
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Researchers led by optical physicist Miles Padgett at the University of Glasgow demonstrated the effect by racing photons that were identical except for their structure. The structured light consistently arrived a tad late. Though the effect is not recognizable in everyday life and in most technological applications, the new research highlights a fundamental and previously unappreciated subtlety in the behavior of light.

The speed of light in a vacuum, usually denoted c, is a fundamental constant central to much of physics, particularly Einstein’s theory of relativity...The researchers produced pairs of photons and sent them on different paths toward a detector...Measurements revealed that the structured light consistently arrived several micrometers late per meter of distance traveled.
legendary
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January 07, 2017, 01:57:34 AM

I think all this theoretical divagation is taking our eyes off the ball.

The leftists are going to fuck up this world with another megadeath...

You should try to be less pessimistic. If we accept that top-down order (with socialism being one form) plays a role in the organization necessary to spawn new entropy, e.g. decentralizing technology. We must consider the possibility that the current global order is actually lacking in top-down control.

This idea is anathema to the anarchist and hard for us to accept as we live in a the west with our tradition of individualism and moral self-control. However, we must remember that overall freedom is a global metric. The majority of humanity still lives under governments like oligarchic China and tyrannical Saudi Arabia. Thus in the near term the system may simply be trending towards towards increased global freedom which for now requires the reigning in of the nation state.

The great push back towards individual freedoms may simply be the task of the next generations who will inherit a world where the power of the nation state has faded.

Order is more impossible to maintain over asymptotic time horizons because it requires synchrony (coordination) which eventually becomes gridlock.

As we expand across the domains of time, knowledge, and power our spiritual struggle grows ever heavier.
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January 06, 2017, 09:16:40 PM
Quote from: Perry Marshal
That high school geometry book is built on Euclid’s five postulates. Everyone knows the postulates are true, but in 2500 years nobody’s figured out a way to prove them.

Yes, it does seem perfectly reasonable that a line can be extended infinitely in both directions, but no one has been able to PROVE that. We can only demonstrate that they are a reasonable, and in fact necessary, set of 5 assumptions.

Actually Euclid is incorrect.

A line can't remain perfectly "straight" over unbounded extent of spacetime.

His model only worked in an imaginary or bounded world with a total ordering.

Thus all the math that follows from it is somewhat useful but not absolute. It fails in the real and theoretical world at certain extremes or scales.

...I'll write more later... need to try to sleep...
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January 06, 2017, 08:39:16 PM
Hard to believe those discussions on top-down control were almost three years ago.

Hard to believe I have accomplished so little in 3 years. And that I have been sick every damn day for those 3 years. What a waste.
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January 06, 2017, 08:26:10 PM
Quote from: Richard Cocks
If moral nihilism is true, then your life has no value and neither does anybody else’s.

That is the truth (he means everlasting value or absolute value). But we emotionally desire to have some greater meaning, so we invent the concept that morality has an absolute truth outside of the relativism of the ephemeral free market.

I find this Cook to be an intelligent idiot or sophist. He ramblings on and on and doesn't clearly state what he is trying to say. I understand what he means, but most readers will be completely lost by the divigation of his choice of elucidation/analogy and terminology.

Cook's strawman is that if moralism is relative to what society (the free market) perceives to valuable, then moralism isn't absolute (or in his terminology then it doesn't exist). Well yeah duh, that is a hard thing to accept because man wants to believe he has some absolute meaning. But there is absolutely no evidence or way to prove any absolute.

So again I maintain my pessimism on finding any absolute, universal truth.

I have explained that we can't exist (the past and future will collapse) if there could exist an absolute truth. We can't have it both ways. In order to exist, we must accept that we aren't eternal. If we want eternal, then we can't exist. Choose.

Please review my archives for the recent posts explaining the science of what I have just written above. Perhaps CoinCube could quote for you all if he is interested, to prove he even understood what I had been writing lately (not sure if he does).

(Note this discussion is rather close to me at this point, because I feel I may not live much longer, so I having to face this question now about what happens after death. I am hoping for a nice dreamland, which is roughly equivalent to I go into a nice dream and don't realize I stopped dreaming because my body died. At this point, I just want relief. I am tired of this struggle.)
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