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There appears to be more to the Ten Commandments than just the superficial meaning of the words (which are clear enough and a great set of rules, sufficient...).  The Bible was written in symbolic language, meant to be understood down through the ages.  The below book by Emmet Fox (who wrote the bestseller The Sermon on the Mount, itself a fantastic book highly recommended):

Emmet Fox
The Ten Commandments

There is more, much more, to the Commandments that is there for those willing to look.

The earth is for all intents and purposes a ship floating in space.  If there is no captain running the ship, or sections of the ship all operating independently run by their own captains, it turns into a fatal tragedy of the commons scenario and it ends.  There is no way out of the "rulers" paradigm, only a question of if there will be one ruler or lots of rulers.  That's as much decentralization you're getting in a closed ecosystem and why libertarianism is generally a joke in practice.  The idea of libertarianism is that you can do anything you want as long as it doesn't negatively effect your neighbor, but that idea is null and void in a closed ecosystem.

If you try to create a system where every piece of land and atom of "things" on earth is owned by someone and they are in charge of it to try and avoid tragedy of the commons, it just turns right back into rulers governing the ruled when the Pareto principle plays out.

Imagine for a moment a world in which there was no murder or theft. In such a world, there would be no need for armies, or police, or weapons. Men and women and children could walk anywhere, at any time of day or night, without any fear of being killed or robbed. Imagine further a world in which no one coveted what belonged to their neighbor; a world in which children honored their mother and father and the family unit thrived; a world in which people obeyed the injunction not to lie. The recipe for a good world is all there—in these ten sublime commandments.

But there is a catch. The Ten Commandments are predicated on the belief that they were given by an Authority higher than any man, any king, or any government. That’s why the sentence preceding the Ten Commandments asserts the following: “God spoke all these words.”

You see, if the Ten Commandments, as great as they are, were given by any human authority, then any person could say: “Who is this man Moses, who is this king or queen, who is this government to tell me how I should behave? Okay, so why is God indispensable to the Ten Commandments? Because, to put it as directly as possible, if it isn’t God who declares murder wrong, murder isn’t wrong. Yes, this strikes many people today as incomprehensible, even absurd. Many of you are thinking, “Is this guy saying you can’t be a good person if you don’t believe in God?”

Let me respond as clearly as possible: I am not saying that. Of course there are good people who don’t believe in God, just as there are bad people who do. And many of you are also thinking, “I believe murder is wrong. I don’t need God to tell me.” Now that response is only half true. I have no doubt that if you’re an atheist and you say you believe murder is wrong, you believe murder is wrong. But, forgive me, you do need God to tell you. We all need God to tell us. You see, even if you figured out murder is wrong on your own, without God and the Ten Commandments, how do you know it’s wrong? Not believe it’s wrong, I mean know it’s wrong? The fact is that you can’t.

Because without God, right and wrong are just personal beliefs. Personal opinions. I think shoplifting is okay, you don’t. Unless there is a God, all morality is just opinion and belief. And virtually every atheist philosopher has acknowledged this.

Another problem with the view that you don’t need God to believe that murder is wrong is that a lot of people haven’t shared your view. And you don’t have to go back very far in history to prove this. In the twentieth century millions of people in Communist societies and under Nazism killed about one hundred million people—and that doesn’t count a single soldier killed in war.

So, don’t get too confident about people’s ability to figure out right from wrong without a Higher Authority. It’s all too easy to be swayed by a government or a demagogue or an ideology or to rationalize that the wrong you are doing isn’t really wrong. And even if you do figure out what is right and wrong, God is still necessary. People who know the difference between right and wrong do the wrong thing all the time. You know why? Because they can. They can because they think no one is watching. But if you recognize that God is the source of moral law, you believe that He is always watching.

So, even if you’re an atheist, you would want people to live by the moral laws of the Ten Commandments. And even an atheist has to admit that the more people who believe God gave them—and therefore they are not just opinion—the better the world would be.

In three thousand years no one has ever come up with a better system than the God-based Ten Commandments for making a better world. And no one ever will.

The true battle is not over who gets to be chief parasite but in how we can eliminate parasitism and replace it with freedom.

"6. Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one's party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier if the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, SO-CALLED LIBERALISM, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power. It is precisely here that the triumph of our theory appears; the slackened reins of government are immediately, by the law of life, caught up and gathered together by a new hand, because the blind might of the nation cannot for one single day exist without guidance, and the new authority merely fits into the place of the old already weakened by liberalism."


"14. In any State in which there is a bad organization of authority, an impersonality of laws and of the rulers who have lost their personality amid the flood of rights ever multiplying out of liberalism, I find a new right - to attack by the right of the strong, and to scatter to the winds all existing forces of order and regulation, to reconstruct all institutions and to become the sovereign lord of those who have left to us the rights of their power by laying them down voluntarily in their liberalism."

His iq was high he knew what to do... he failed in execution not high enough apparantly

Hitler was not a great military leader, the Nazis defeated themselves is how I read their mistakes and misfortune.  The German army under other elements might have won or at least taken on less harm and not lost totally.
Hatred is self destructive first and foremost, its not a religious point more generally true they gained nothing in their needless destruction and lost what might have been a restoration of a wider German empire.     I would compare that to the thread topic by saying I think the largest economic changes long term are naturally occurring not political moves or forced through in some way, no great belief in people or doctrine is required to see changes that are probable to occur

There are many recent developments in the godless West. To name a few:

--The Supreme Court of Italy last week ruled that public masturbation is legal (except in front of minors).


--The New York City Council voted in May that public urination is not a criminal act.

--The San Francisco City Council decided, by one vote, to continue the city's ban on public nudity -- not, of course, on the grounds of "decency" but on the grounds of public health. Since that can easily be resolved by use of a towel on public benches and chairs, it is only a matter of time, probably a couple of years, before people will be permitted to walk around naked in San Francisco.

--A few weeks ago, teachers in Charlotte, North Carolina, were instructed not to refer to their elementary school students as "boys and girls" but as "students" and "scholars." The reasoning is presumably for inclusivity -- there may be a student who has no gender identity -- and that adults should not impose a gender identity on young people.

--In a New York Times op-ed column, a professor of philosophy noted his shock at learning that most young Americans do not believe that moral truths exist. They are incapable of asserting that anything, including killing for fun, is wrong beyond personal opinion.

These are all inevitable consequences of the death of belief in God and Judeo-Christian values, and of the Bible as society's primary moral reference work.

The West has been in moral decline since World War I, the calamity that led to World War II and the death of national identity and Christianity in most of Europe.

There has always been one exception: the United States. But now that is ending. The seeds of America's decline have been sown since the beginning of the 20th century, and they came to fruition with the post-World War II generation, the baby boomers.

Radical and aggressive secularism and atheism have replaced religion in virtually every school and throughout American public life.

We have gone from President Abraham Lincoln reading the Bible every day to Alaska Airlines feeling forced to stop passing out prayer cards with meals. In a hundred years, we've gone from near-total biblical literacy to near-total biblical illiteracy. One wonders whether half of America's college seniors could correctly identify Cain and Abel, or whether more than 1 in 10 Americans could cite the Ten Commandments. We have gone from President Franklin D. Roosevelt proclaiming the need to save "Christian civilization" in World War II speeches to a virtual ban on American presidents mentioning the word "Christianity." And, as is widely noted, Americans are no longer supposed to wish strangers "merry Christmas," and they must refer to a Christmas party as a "holiday party."

Similarly, the European Union constitution never mentions Christianity, despite the fact that it was Christianity that formed Europe.

The prices that we Americans and Europeans are paying for creating the first godless societies in recorded history amount to civilizational suicide. Boys and girls are not to be referred to as boys and girls; Western elites dismiss national identity as protofascism; the belief that moral truth exists has been destroyed and replaced by feelings and opinions; fewer people are marrying; and more people live alone than at any time in American history.

Western European countries have become empty, soulless places. They are pretty and appear materially secure (for now), but they stand for almost nothing (except "multiculturalism" and "tolerance"). They have replaced a Jewish population that overwhelmingly wanted to assimilate with a Muslim population that does not want to. And nearly all European countries are headed to Greece-like insolvency as fewer and fewer workers pay enough in taxes to support those who collect welfare, and as tensions with their Muslim inhabitants increase.

But the good news is that now, beginning with Italy and New York, citizens can watch each other masturbate or urinate in public.

There is no way to prove that God exists. But what is provable is what happens when societies stop believing in God: They commit suicide.

I also don't know who you're trying to fool, but Jews voted for Clinton 61% and trump 19%:

Orthodoxy’s startling demographic growth means the tide is turning for the famously liberal values, voting patterns and communal life generally associated with the U.S. Jewish community.

No matter what some American Orthodox Jews might wish to imagine, they did not play a pivotal role in the election of Donald Trump. Still and all, a sizable number of them, according to polls, voted for him, and they were elated at the election’s outcome.
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Based on Pew Research Center data compiled over three generations, demographers have called attention to the startling growth of the American Orthodox community, made all the more noteworthy by the apparent decline of the rest of the non-Orthodox American Jewish populace.  Within two generations, according to sociologist Steven M. Cohen, the Orthodox fraction of the American Jewish population has more than quintupled; and more than a quarter of American Jews 17 years of age or younger are Orthodox...

The changes, in fact, have been brewing for some time. Orthodox Jews have become steadily more active in political life – and they stand apart from the larger Jewish community, with 57 percent identifying as Republican and more than half identifying as politically and socially conservative. Among Haredim, nearly two-thirds call themselves conservative.

In the past, the Orthodox community was too small to have any political impact, particularly with most Orthodox Jews living in heavily Democratic districts.  With the demographic shift currently taking place, though, and with the aforementioned quarter of young American Jews poised to join the electorate, that tide seems destined to turn

In the blue sea of New York City, where Hillary Clinton crushed Donald J. Trump in the election on Tuesday, there were still some districts — working-class areas in the southeast Bronx, Mr. Trump’s childhood neighborhood in Jamaica Estates, Queens, and most of Staten Island — that did not go Mrs. Clinton’s way.

But of all the outlying pockets of Trump supporters in New York, perhaps the most distinct lay six miles south of the Clinton campaign headquarters: the Orthodox Jewish community of Borough Park, a neighborhood in Brooklyn that would seem to have little in common with Middle America, where Mr. Trump drew most of his support.

With its Judaica stores, kosher pizza shops, men in traditional black coats and hats and women with long skirts, Borough Park is home to thousands of Orthodox and Hasidic Jews, belonging to a range of sects, including Bobover, Belz, Satmar, Ger and Viznitz.

The vast majority of voters in the neighborhood are registered Democrats, but they often vote Republican, and this year was no different. In Brooklyn’s 48th Assembly District, which encompasses most of Borough Park, Mr. Trump got 69 percent of the vote, while Mrs. Clinton got 27 percent.

Interviews on the streets of Borough Park on Thursday did not turn up a single Clinton voter.

No, it does not mean you create a giant nation of billions of people and govern them with a police state.  It means governance and democracy does not scale and you utilize smaller groupings of people.

No, it does not mean you create a giant nation of billions of people and govern them with a police state.  It means governance and democracy does not scale and you utilize smaller groupings of people.
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Humans are animals just like everything else on the planet.  Most animals practice might makes right.  Other animals have developed group evolutionary strategy and other tricks.  It all has a purpose to further specific goals, usually passing on genes, NOT morality as the end goal.  You can't base your arguments all in religion or other completely subjective philosophy.

This is why Jews despise the mention of Jesus and always try to destroy and ban things like Christmas.  It's all a reminder of the people who first opposed their rent seeking behavior and usury scams.  We now live in the exact same situation where it is once again time for someone to flip over the tables and boot them out again for trying to enslave people through usury.

Most so called Jews are Atheists.  There is no Jewish faith, it's just an ethnocentric cult.  When they took over Russia, they were not practicing any religion.  They had "customs", but it's not religious.  They practiced Atheism and murdered somewhere between 20-60 million white, Christian Russians.

Whatever tribal hardwiring humans have it is designed for small groups where all members are known watched and observed. Maintaining a group larger then a tribe requires either the oppression of a police state or in the case of a free society a moral populace.

It is moral degradation that leads to collapse for it is moral strengthening that allows free societies to be built in the first place. Loss of ethnic or racial homogeneity is unimportant except to the degree such diversity contributes to moral decline.

Argument B) Unless the Jews collective nepotism is challenged it will result in the extinction of non Jews.

You know what worries me about the Jews? It is that fact that so many of them no longer practice Judaism.

I am sure some will vehemently disagree but the reality is that being Jewish is less about race and more about Faith.

100% COMPLETELY FALSE - And the reason why all non-homogeneous civilizations collapse, also demonstrated by "The Florida effect".  Homogeneous civilizations like Japan are less likely to rip one another off because they see each other as possible relatives and benefit in not acting in a malevolent manner amongst one another to facilitate continuing to pass those genes on.  Without that, the world is just a massive tragedy of the commons where everything is considered a dumpster and someone else's problem with no accountability for anyone's actions...

The Jews run a scam of extreme collective nepotism - group evolutionary strategy, while telling others they're not allowed to do so... Failure to see this is the fastest way to ensure your own extinction...

Paradoxically enough, the release of initiative and enterprise made possible by popular self-government ultimately generates disintegrating forces from within. Again and again after freedom has brought opportunity and some degree of plenty, the competent become selfish, luxury-loving and complacent, the incompetent and the unfortunate grow envious and covetous, and all three groups turn aside from the hard road of freedom to worship the Golden Calf of economic security.

The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more."

Whatever other factors may be present in an act of wrongdoing, folly is one that is never absent. To do a wrong act a man must for the moment think wrong; he must exercise bad judgment.

Sin, I repeat, in addition to anything else it may be, is always an act of wrong judgment. To commit a sin a man must for the moment believe that things are different from what they really are; he must confound values; he must see the moral universe out of focus; he must accept a lie as truth and see truth as a lie; he must ignore the signs on the highway and drive with his eyes shut; he must act as if he had no soul and was not accountable for his moral choices.

Sin is never a thing to be proud of. No act is wise that ignores remote consequences, and sin always does. Sin sees only today, or at most tomorrow; never the day after tomorrow, next month or next year. Death and judgment are pushed aside as if they did not exist...

Sin is basically an act of moral folly, and the greater the folly the greater the fool.

Modern banking especially fractional reserve banking is a universal and historic form of theft. As a society we tolerate it and will suffer for this tolerance.

It does not matter who benefits most from the breach. If every current banker including all those of Jewish ancestry suddenly vanished other groups would simply step into their places and things would carry on exactly as before.