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May 15, 2016, 05:52:34 AM
Re: 'Brexit' could trigger World War Three, warns David Cameron

At present, the biggest threats to Europe as a whole are socialism and bankruptcy. with the war politics that result from such.

ftfy

The U.K. will not leave the EU. All you socialist retards/chattel are going down the toilet together. Enjoy.
newbie
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May 15, 2016, 05:30:07 AM
... the only person more wrong on BTC than Anonymint is Armstrong.

You and Armstrong are both wrong on the future of BitCON:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14854131

As for the price action I predicted, stay tuned...

I think Armstrong will end up being correct about bitcoin (not surviving the other side of 2020) let's see..  Cheesy

It is not clear if it will destroyed or merely turned into a tool to confiscate wealth, and a better Paypal for the masses. My bet is the totalitarian variant of the future. Click the link above to find out why. Men need a tyrant.



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I think Armstrong will end up being correct about bitcoin (not surviving the other side of 2020) let's see..  Cheesy

It is not clear if it will destroyed or merely turned into a tool to confiscate wealth, and a better Paypal for the masses. My bet is the totalitarian variant of the future. Click the link above to find out why. Men need a tyrant.

I very much doubt it becomes a "better" Paypal for the masses for the simple reason that it isn't better.

I would be bet on failure over widespread usage of a coopted system. In fact I'd lay significant odds on that bet. (Though failure is somewhat difficult to define precisely -- let's say significant loss of value and usage.)

I see even an oligarchy controlled Bitcoin as better than Paypal, because:

1. Bitcoin is a global politik; and thus even the Chinese mining oligarchy (cum banksters pulling the strings behind the curtain) can't do anything which isn't politically correct globally.

2. Thus Bitcoin will retain many attributes that Paypal as a corporate offering can't provide such as inability to deny any person in any account equal opportunity to access, inability to enforce holdbacks, block certain industries, and other arbitrary shit Paypal does which make my head want to explode. Bitcoin is a trojan horse launched by the global elite to subvert any localized attempt to block/control the shift to digital currency.

3. Thus I predict enormous adoption for Bitcoin, but just remember it will be owned and controlled by the global elite (aka the banksters). And the global socialism will enforce a global confiscation/expropriation of those with wealth, in the coming years. It will be a bittersweet success.




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3. Thus I predict enormous adoption for Bitcoin, but just remember it will be owned and controlled by the global elite (aka the banksters). And the global socialism will enforce a global confiscation/expropriation of those with wealth, in the coming years. It will be a bittersweet success.

Meh, hardly anybody wants Bitcoin, and the only ones who do will just flee it and use something else if it becomes government controlled. Using Bitcoin now is a pain in the ass and something a relatively small number of people do at great inconvenience and only out of necessity (generally speaking holding it for as short a time as possible). They'll have no trouble switching to Zcash or whatever else if necessary for their purposes. The rest will just stick with actual Paypal and similar products.

The only ones with any real wealth in Bitcoin are speculators who treat Bitcoin like a Wall Street product (and often store it in easily-confiscatable form on exchanges anyway). Well yeah maybe their Bitcoin will get confiscated. Not really any different from any other Wall Street product, and not at all surprising (to me). A few of the smartest ones will probably be able to escape confiscation, again not so different from traditional finance.

For the moment Bitcoin is only a gambler's paradise, but the conversion to instant microtransactions is the key to launching it into mass adoption.

That is why the block chain size debate has been so contentious, because it is a battle over who (Chinese mining cartel + Blockstream, all controlled behind the curtain by the banksters) owns Bitcoin as it is scaled out.

It's pretty evident from the establishment embracing Bitcoin and things like this CME news, that TPTB will use Bitcoin as a golden parachute to escape the death trap fiat system they created.  They know it's extremely hard to do business using gold, and you would need to implode civilization back to the dark ages to make gold work again, so Bitcoin is their go to play to keep the wheels turning at an above caveman level.

Ever since humans stopped being hunter gatherers and settled land, it created abundance.  That's when the predator class arose to skim the abundance.  It's in TPTB' best interests to keep a high level of civilization running in order to skim it instead of having civilization implode back to ancient Babylon.  That would likely just implode their own standard of living as well once the caviar supply lines run out.

Yes, they create catastrophes to benefit from them, but I don't think they want ones so big that they become completely unpredictable and threaten their own power structure.  They always have some type of golden parachutes in mind, and Bitcoin is seemingly the only viable thing around for digital transactions in the coming great reset.  The world supply lines are very intertwined, and if you cannot do digital transactions on an international level because nobody trusts any of the currencies, then you immediately go back to the 1800's.  Do TPTB want to live in the 1800's?  Probably not.  They have to devise something to keep the wheels of the world turning.

Agreed, but they didn't create Bitcoin as the primary escape hatch from fiat collapse (which will instead be the one world currency reserve unit basket), but rather because they want to subvert any one nation's control over the digitalization of currency. They don't want a bastardized fragmentation of the digitalized commerce world. That is all good. The bad part is they control the global politik, and thus they control Bitcoin. They can easily incorporate capital controls and expropriation into the politics of regulation of Bitcoin and then they can easily implement it since they are funding and arranging the Chinese mining cartel and Blockstream's $74 million funding.

Edit: my take on the opportunities ahead:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14855669
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JAYCE DESIGNS - http://bit.ly/1tmgIwK
May 15, 2016, 03:09:30 AM

They do have problems with this policy.   The gender imbalance but also the working population of China is falling now, in short this means they no longer have the cheapest labour force.   They got natural inflation as workers can demand more for their labour or at least choose the more favourable jobs available.    Since China is still quite backwards in some parts, this is some challenge for them to overcome.  They cant just throw massive resources at a task but must find an efficient solution like most western countries.  

Its going to alter their currency peg to dollar eventually I think, maybe even that export bias in their economy as its naturally smarter for them to import some low grade items from Vietnam perhaps or other cheaper labour countries.  China with its now declining labour force, especially those of good education (they arent really first world entirely afaik) must be directed to the best jobs and best use. I think it implies a proper economy is now needed by China, with correct trading even.  

In turn China could upset USA dollar debt being so excessively supported by outside countries.  Im already wondering what happens with Japan, similar kind of decline but obviously Japan is very much more advanced to technology and using foreign labour and foreign factories

YOu still forget the  P2P internet jobs. I belive that will be the future.

When billions of peopl will flood the internet searching for internet based jobs, then the internet economy will really kickstart.

Which may be beneficial for bitcoin too, since the bitcoin based jobs will be the most frictionless.

Go to https://www.reddit.com/r/Jobs4bitcoins and see that it's already growing
newbie
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May 15, 2016, 03:01:17 AM
The Devastation that man wrecks on himself (in short society is a power vacuum that requires a strong tyrant to beat the men into not defecting from the good of society):

Change the record you're boring

This forum has turned into a circus of lies and ponzi scams speculation:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14853958 (Vcash deleted posts)

Do not expect me to market anything which is "fair" to this audience. They don't want fair.

I am okay with that. Peace. You get yours and I'll get mine. That is the new world order you want.

Collectivism is a power vacuum and the argument is always about who gets to steal for and from whom.

Bernie: "Socialism can be repaired as long as I can be in charge of the stealing to insure it is fair".
Trump: "Stealing can be optimized if I am Dicktator-in-chief"
Clinton: "You'll tolerate my theft (for myself and my cronies) because as a Democrat I'll steal some for you too (and not remind you I funded it all by expanding an egregious future debt on your children's back)"

Stealing (scams, oligarchy, etc) is not the exception, rather it is the norm of human nature. Always will be.

The Lord warned us that this is the nature of man.

Don't forget the Iron Law of Political Economics.
newbie
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May 11, 2016, 04:58:55 AM
The bigger problem here, like the U.K is an addiction to nanny statism.

It is quite pervasive:

Don't worry the UK will be joining you because they adopted the disease of collectivism:

I suggest you keep your trap shut, when it involves intentions you are not capable of living up to.

You are such a tough guy hiding behind anonymity, and needing your big brother UK to protect you against your sleazy, foul mouth.

I wrote we have nothing more to discuss. Why are you persisting to harass me?

Reviewing the above quoted thread in its entirety will shed some light on the advancement of mankind under socialism.
legendary
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May 10, 2016, 05:05:04 PM
The corals typically return to normal after 6 months when they find new algae partners.

The propagandists would love to herd the population into the city & lock everyone out of the reefs and tell you they are dead, and they are slowly achieving this.

Aussies have basically been locked out of national parks, locking up the beaches as Marine parks is not far fetched nor far away from happening.

Blaming man for this seasonal phenomena is rediculous.
STT
legendary
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May 10, 2016, 01:16:19 PM
Doesnt Australia have a problem with coral reefs turning all white due to fairly small changes in sea temperature but are a significant shift from the long term and will basically do irreversible damage
Im not sure how much of that is real, or a story to support the idea of global warming or possibly just a normal shift that occurs over centuries. 

The economic impact of that damage would be to tourism of course, possibly some fishing
legendary
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May 09, 2016, 11:01:44 PM
The kids in the west have already been groomed to accept these invasive policies by the new religion of environmentalism.


trollerc

I am afraid that you are correct.   Angry

There is so much BS in environmentalism (and other New-Age-Lefty crap) that it is hard to even find, much less pass along, the truth.  Where I am it is normally quite hot in early May.  Not this year!  It's much cooler than normal.  Why?  After-effects of El Niño...


Has Oz gotten the Transgender Bathroom Epidemic yet?  A new low...



Yes Aussies suffer from the same mental illness that plagues the rest of the west, maybe to a lesser degree than Americans.

The bigger problem here, like the U.K is an addiction to nanny statism.
STT
legendary
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May 09, 2016, 10:38:22 PM


Hmm!  And I have read other pieces that China was slacking off its hard-line policy of one child.  Their one child policy has led to a weird demographic problem there: estimates of 30,000,000 - 100,000,000 more males (than women) in the cohort of child-bearing years there in China.

Good find.   Smiley
 
Socialism leads to so many other distortions too, and the end point is totalitarianism.

They do have problems with this policy.   The gender imbalance but also the working population of China is falling now, in short this means they no longer have the cheapest labour force.   They got natural inflation as workers can demand more for their labour or at least choose the more favourable jobs available.    Since China is still quite backwards in some parts, this is some challenge for them to overcome.  They cant just throw massive resources at a task but must find an efficient solution like most western countries.  

Its going to alter their currency peg to dollar eventually I think, maybe even that export bias in their economy as its naturally smarter for them to import some low grade items from Vietnam perhaps or other cheaper labour countries.  China with its now declining labour force, especially those of good education (they arent really first world entirely afaik) must be directed to the best jobs and best use. I think it implies a proper economy is now needed by China, with correct trading even.  

In turn China could upset USA dollar debt being so excessively supported by outside countries.  Im already wondering what happens with Japan, similar kind of decline but obviously Japan is very much more advanced to technology and using foreign labour and foreign factories
legendary
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May 09, 2016, 09:42:53 PM
The kids in the west have already been groomed to accept these invasive policies by the new religion of environmentalism.


trollerc

I am afraid that you are correct.   Angry

There is so much BS in environmentalism (and other New-Age-Lefty crap) that it is hard to even find, much less pass along, the truth.  Where I am it is normally quite hot in early May.  Not this year!  It's much cooler than normal.  Why?  After-effects of El Niño...


Has Oz gotten the Transgender Bathroom Epidemic yet?  A new low...

legendary
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May 09, 2016, 03:33:57 AM
Don't we all hope Xi Jinping, Putin, Merkel, Hellary, Craig Wright, Theymos, copy-leftist Gregory Maxwell, and globalist-ideologue Julian Assange control our future:

Craig Wright? How the hell is that scammer going to control anything?
newbie
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May 08, 2016, 10:19:19 PM
Don't we all hope Xi Jinping, Putin, Merkel, Hellary, Craig Wright, Theymos, copy-leftist Gregory Maxwell, and globalist-ideologue Julian Assange control our future:

The kids in the west have already been groomed to accept these invasive policies by the new religion of environmentalism.

Coming soon to a socialist paradise near you.

Family Planning Police Screen Women Four Times a Year for Pregnancy
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/05/07/chinas-family-planning-police-screen-women-four-times-year-pregnancy/

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According to a recent report from the BBC, all Chinese women of childbearing age have mandatory check-ups four times a year to ensure they are healthy and not pregnant without permission. A couple needs official approval before starting a family and must ask permission before trying to conceive. Population officers keep strict tabs on each woman’s medical history, listing the children she has, the contraception she uses, and any terminated pregnancies.

The Communist Party employs an estimated one million people in its army of family planning officials, who patrol the land, enforcing China’s strict population-control policies.

When you make redistribution a natural right and pay for such redistribution with an unsustainable economic system you eventually reach the point where promised handouts cannot be paid. At that point the path if least resistance is population controls and reproductive restrictions. It is likely a matter of when not if such measures are introduced in the west.


Hmm!  And I have read other pieces that China was slacking off its hard-line policy of one child.  Their one child policy has led to a weird demographic problem there: estimates of 30,000,000 - 100,000,000 more males (than women) in the cohort of child-bearing years there in China.

Good find.   Smiley
 
Socialism leads to so many other distortions too, and the end point is totalitarianism.
legendary
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May 08, 2016, 07:43:37 PM
The kids in the west have already been groomed to accept these invasive policies by the new religion of environmentalism.
legendary
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May 08, 2016, 02:19:31 PM
Coming soon to a socialist paradise near you.

Family Planning Police Screen Women Four Times a Year for Pregnancy
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/05/07/chinas-family-planning-police-screen-women-four-times-year-pregnancy/

Quote
According to a recent report from the BBC, all Chinese women of childbearing age have mandatory check-ups four times a year to ensure they are healthy and not pregnant without permission. A couple needs official approval before starting a family and must ask permission before trying to conceive. Population officers keep strict tabs on each woman’s medical history, listing the children she has, the contraception she uses, and any terminated pregnancies.

The Communist Party employs an estimated one million people in its army of family planning officials, who patrol the land, enforcing China’s strict population-control policies.

When you make redistribution a natural right and pay for such redistribution with an unsustainable economic system you eventually reach the point where promised handouts cannot be paid. At that point the path if least resistance is population controls and reproductive restrictions. It is likely a matter of when not if such measures are introduced in the west.


Hmm!  And I have read other pieces that China was slacking off its hard-line policy of one child.  Their one child policy has led to a weird demographic problem there: estimates of 30,000,000 - 100,000,000 more males (than women) in the cohort of child-bearing years there in China.

Good find.   Smiley
 
Socialism leads to so many other distortions too, and the end point is totalitarianism.
legendary
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May 08, 2016, 02:04:02 PM
Coming soon to a socialist paradise near you.

Family Planning Police Screen Women Four Times a Year for Pregnancy
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/05/07/chinas-family-planning-police-screen-women-four-times-year-pregnancy/

Quote
According to a recent report from the BBC, all Chinese women of childbearing age have mandatory check-ups four times a year to ensure they are healthy and not pregnant without permission. A couple needs official approval before starting a family and must ask permission before trying to conceive. Population officers keep strict tabs on each woman’s medical history, listing the children she has, the contraception she uses, and any terminated pregnancies.

The Communist Party employs an estimated one million people in its army of family planning officials, who patrol the land, enforcing China’s strict population-control policies.

When you make redistribution a natural right and pay for such redistribution with an unsustainable economic system you eventually reach the point where promised handouts cannot be paid. At that point the path if least resistance is population controls and reproductive restrictions. It is likely a matter of when not if such measures are introduced in the west.
sr. member
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May 03, 2016, 12:58:01 AM
Radical transformation of the computing industry underway:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14737773
legendary
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May 02, 2016, 10:07:56 PM
[1] Find my posts in this thread and note that TierNolan is one of the original inventors of the DE protocol, but it had a jamming flaw until I fixed it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/atomic-swaps-using-cut-and-choose-1364951

How altruistic you are anonymint! Yes so jealous Smiley

Why do you assume my point was about altruism  Huh Maybe I am just pointing out that I am more important than you belittle me.
I was being sarcastic.. yes id like to see you do something now that will benefit mankind not call people out on every point on some random forum
sr. member
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May 02, 2016, 09:16:14 PM
[1] Find my posts in this thread and note that TierNolan is one of the original inventors of the DE protocol, but it had a jamming flaw until I fixed it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/atomic-swaps-using-cut-and-choose-1364951

How altruistic you are anonymint! Yes so jealous Smiley

Why do you assume my point was about altruism  Huh Maybe I am just pointing out that I am more important than you belittle me.
legendary
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May 02, 2016, 01:01:09 AM
Or I can wait until a real decentralized exchange exists...

You are jealous:

Note I also contributed the key technical insight[1] into how to make decentralized exchange work so it can't be jammed.

[1] Find my posts in this thread and note that TierNolan is one of the original inventors of the DE protocol, but it had a jamming flaw until I fixed it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/atomic-swaps-using-cut-and-choose-1364951

How altruistic you are anonymint! Yes so jealous Smiley
sr. member
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May 01, 2016, 08:41:49 PM
TPTB are not entirely in control. Marxism and the entropic force is driving the current outcome, i.e. the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Read my 2010 essay, "Understand Everything Fundamentally".



I'll go back to my statement about the only true sound form of money being the theoretical currency used in the transformers cartoon "energon", blocks of energy that can be redeemed at full face value at any given time regardless of externalities.  Lacking such technology, since matter and energy are interchangable, the next most likely candidate is the most easily convertable form of matter, and thus we end up with oil backed currency.

So no, from a rational point of view, gold doesn't actually make the most sense unless it can be easily converted, or you're living in a pre-industrial revolution civilization.  But the problem is, the oil, or most energy sources in general can be cheated with fractional reserve or inflation, so here we are with Bitcoin because gold has lack of granularity, high friction in use, and the same counterparty risk as the oil dollar when it has to go in vaults and be used with IOUs.

And crypto-currency can't remain decentralized. So again there is no ONE RIGHT WAY.

Never will be.

You are a Marxist because you want a total order to the universe.

Learn to accept the reason we can't have a total order. I explained it already about the speed-of-light must be finite else past and future collapse into the same nothingness.



You are a Marxist because you want a total order to the universe.

Acknowledging the existence of monopolies doesn't make someone a "Marxist".

Marxists believe that the business cycle can be eliminated. You believe a more perfect money can exist. Same myopia at the highest level of abstraction which is you both don't accept that the universe is composed of partial orders, not totality.

Edit: you also believe in the totality of the elite's "monopoly" control.
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