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legendary
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Well, yes, I think Putin has enough rubles. But there is a nuance, now Germany, Austria, Japan and all other unfriendly countries that buy gas from Russia will want rubles. And in order to continue buying Russian gas, they will have to learn how to get around their own sanctions, which they have so generously imposed on Russia. And they will have to support the Russian economy, which they have already declared "torn to shreds."

No matter how you polish the turd, Putin wants more euros. There rest of it is status quo, gas/oil exports for the most part haven't been sanctioned and there is no additional support for the Russian economy. On the contrary, this ruble nonsense will make even more loyal gal/oil buyers rethink dealing with Russia.

it is enough to cut an A3 pack in half at the nearest printing house and there will be two A4 packs.

And then cut it further and glue it together to make cash register tape, etc. What could possibly go wrong.

Russia has been living under sanctions for a hundred years, this will not scare us. We are Russians - God is with us.

That's one thing Russia will never run out of - imaginary murderous sky fairies.
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I don't know about Russia's retaliatory capabilities against countries that don't border them but Putin will likely try something.
Putin today announced the sale of gas for rubles to unfriendly countries.

Putin could easily force Gazprom to sell their euros at any rate he wants. The only reason to try to force e.g. Germany to do it is to basically renege on the contract - I bet the rate he wants will be something ludicrous and not the current market rate. Essentially he wants more euros, not rubles.

Well, yes, I think Putin has enough rubles. But there is a nuance, now Germany, Austria, Japan and all other unfriendly countries that buy gas from Russia will want rubles. And in order to continue buying Russian gas, they will have to learn how to get around their own sanctions, which they have so generously imposed on Russia. And they will have to support the Russian economy, which they have already declared "torn to shreds."

Walked now to the store - the shelves are full of products, including sugar. I didn’t buy it, I still have more than enough stocks from the pandemic. Prices for office paper are also artificially inflated, a pack of A3 paper is cheaper than a pack of A4 paper, although it is enough to cut an A3 pack in half at the nearest printing house and there will be two A4 packs. Maybe this is a good reason to reduce the bureaucracy in Russia and introduce electronic document management not together with paper, but instead.

Russia has been living under sanctions for a hundred years, this will not scare us. We are Russians - God is with us.
legendary
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I don't know about Russia's retaliatory capabilities against countries that don't border them but Putin will likely try something.
Putin today announced the sale of gas for rubles to unfriendly countries.

Putin could easily force Gazprom to sell their euros at any rate he wants. The only reason to try to force e.g. Germany to do it is to basically renege on the contract - I bet the rate he wants will be something ludicrous and not the current market rate. Essentially he wants more euros, not rubles.
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World once again move back to the crazy old days.
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I would like to point out that the supply situation for liquid fuels makes all owners of commercial vehicles in their own interest the conversion to the operation with wood generator gas as a duty.
Anyone who does not convert his vehicle can not expect to continue to receive petrol or diesel fuel in the foreseeable future.
Reichsminister Albert Speer, 22.10.1942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXaoQ0k9Jlg
Half hour start-up time takes all the stress out of the rush hour. With extra bag of supply and refulling stops more then 100km reach.
Should be made compulsory for idiot politicians for daily work drive.
Elon Musk recently launched a factory in Germany and even danced at the opening. To hell with gasoline, progressive Europe will soon drive only electric cars! And electricity for them will be generated by wind turbines. The main thing is that the wind does not blow from the east, from the territory of backward Russia. And then scientists will invent household teleporters and the problem of movement will be solved in a radical way. Just to live until brighter days!  Grin
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I would like to point out that the supply situation for liquid fuels makes all owners of commercial vehicles in their own interest the conversion to the operation with wood generator gas as a duty.
Anyone who does not convert his vehicle can not expect to continue to receive petrol or diesel fuel in the foreseeable future.
Reichsminister Albert Speer, 22.10.1942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXaoQ0k9Jlg
Half hour start-up time takes all the stress out of the rush hour. With extra bag of supply and refulling stops more then 100km reach.
Should be made compulsory for idiot politicians for daily work drive.
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White Russian
West should just stop ALL business with Russia
You are calling the West to economic suicide. The big economy of the West really means that the West has a lot of debt and well developed derivatives. But futures and options are not edible. The strength of the dollar and the euro is based on trust in them, which is now undermined by the freezing of funds from the Central Bank of Russia, and once undermined trust is very difficult to return back. Germany alone needs more LPG tankers to replace Russian gas than there are anywhere in the world. Once again, if all the tankers in the world drop their business and take gas to Germany, this will not be enough. Try to turn on the brain before demanding the impossible from the West.
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Putin is trying to make economic sanctions an equivalent to a declaration of war. Why this is not true:

- An economic sanction does not kill people (not directly nor quickly).
- Economic sanctions mean simply that other countries do not want to trade with you. That is not fighting, is simply a effect of failing to have a successful relation with the international community.
- Economic sanctions are reversible. It is Putin's hand to take the steps to come back into the international community.




The US uses economic sanctions as a tool of foreign policy. While typically touted as a better alternative to war, they severely affect community health and well-being. They are, in fact, just another name for warfare.
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I don't know about Russia's retaliatory capabilities against countries that don't border them but Putin will likely try something.
Putin today announced the sale of gas for rubles to unfriendly countries.

True. And it also applies to existing contracts that actually estate the payment in USD or Euro. The obvious target is Germany.

As strategy to support the "rubble", mean the ruble is fine. The only slight little problem is that it completely contravenes the international law - and yes, I know that Putin does not care much about it and thinks he is the law and all that, but as silly as it may seem, it does create very serious concerns on his Russia as a trading partner, as contracts from now on are wet paper (or wet digitally signed PDFs).

That is a massive increase of risk to any trade conducted with his Russia, which usually mean that prices of products coming from Russia will be paid at a discount and investments are likely to carry a massive risk premium.

Do not be fooled, there is a price to pay for this and it is hefty and long lasting.
It is interesting that you remembered international law now, and not a month ago, when the currency accounts of the Central Bank of Russia in dollars and euros were frozen, as well as after the parade of economic sanctions and the withdrawal of many companies from Russia with the refusal of their obligations. There is no more international law. And yes - this is primarily a blow to Germany, as the locomotive of the European Union. Now Germany will support the Russian ruble, or plunge into medieval darkness without heat and light. Perhaps the decision of the UK to leave the European Union was wise, because the fate of the European Union is very vague, it is likely to face an inglorious collapse into small European states - tolerant of refugees and decarbonized. Europe will get what it wanted and what it deserved.
legendary
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I don't know about Russia's retaliatory capabilities against countries that don't border them but Putin will likely try something.
Putin today announced the sale of gas for rubles to unfriendly countries.

True. And it also applies to existing contracts that actually estate the payment in USD or Euro. The obvious target is Germany.

As strategy to support the "rubble", mean the ruble is fine. The only slight little problem is that it completely contravenes the international law - and yes, I know that Putin does not care much about it and thinks he is the law and all that, but as silly as it may seem, it does create very serious concerns on his Russia as a trading partner, as contracts from now on are wet paper (or wet digitally signed PDFs).

That is a massive increase of risk to any trade conducted with his Russia, which usually mean that prices of products coming from Russia will be paid at a discount and investments are likely to carry a massive risk premium.

Do not be fooled, there is a price to pay for this and it is hefty and long lasting.
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I don't know about Russia's retaliatory capabilities against countries that don't border them but Putin will likely try something.
Putin today announced the sale of gas for rubles to unfriendly countries.
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Autocrats don't give a fuck and will retaliate if they can at any perceived transgressions, take for example many developing countries' late travel ban against China coz they don't want to hurt Wi Ni Po's feelings. I don't know about Russia's retaliatory capabilities against countries that don't border them but Putin will likely try something.
And here's something really special on Biden's instagram - his congratulations to the people of Iran on the new year (Nowruz) lol. It looks a little ridiculous, but what can you do just to annoy the Russians. Remind me which one of them is a professional comedian - Zelensky or Biden? Biden's jokes seem definitely funnier to me lately. Grin

I found him funny in the way I find fart jokes funny. You don't want to laugh but it just comes out.
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And here's something really special on Biden's instagram - his congratulations to the people of Iran on the new year (Nowruz) lol. It looks a little ridiculous, but what can you do just to annoy the Russians. Remind me which one of them is a professional comedian - Zelensky or Biden? Biden's jokes seem definitely funnier to me lately. Grin
sr. member
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Putin is trying to make economic sanctions an equivalent to a declaration of war. Why this is not true:

- An economic sanction does not kill people (not directly nor quickly).
- Economic sanctions mean simply that other countries do not want to trade with you. That is not fighting, is simply a effect of failing to have a successful relation with the international community.
- Economic sanctions are reversible. It is Putin's hand to take the steps to come back into the international community.



but they are, there was no just judgment over ukraine's Donbass Genocide. the west treats nonwestern powers always like villains no matter what.

if putin would have been a jew perhaps the western media would listen when he reminded on donbass violence for 8 years, now it escalated to a full fledged war in an attempt to end the violence
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You obviously do not understand what is legally a war..
Legally, strictly speaking, the last war was declared by Russia to Japan in 1945 (and by the way, it has not yet been completed, since a peace treaty has not been signed). All other armed conflicts on the planet after that did not have and do not have the status of war.
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Putin is clearly trying to talk the West out of continuing to impose sanctions.


Maybe he should try to withdraw his troops from Ukraine? Then the sanctions will cease to apply.
Yea, you are probably right. Most of the sanctions will likely be removed if Putin were to withdraw from Ukraine. Although damage has already been done and some will seek to not trade with Russia after the war.

Putin is clearly trying to intimidate the west into removing the sanctions without ending the war. I would conclude that this means the sanctions are likely working, and Putin is afraid of the oligarks in his country.
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$470 billions of Russia reserve had been freezed and banned other countries' Financial system from transacting with Russian banks. They also target Russian billionaires finance outside the country. This restrictions will cripple the economic situation and is one of the highest level of economic sanctions any country can ever have. More so, this restrictions will not be removed soon even if the war stops. They are also war strategies maybe not war itself, such economic constraint will starve war funding and give the other country leverage to ride on.

We will pray for it. Maybe this restrictions finaly will force them to open their eyes and withdraw their troops from our Ukraine.
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$470 billions of Russia reserve had been freezed and banned other countries' Financial system from transacting with Russian banks. They also target Russian billionaires finance outside the country. This restrictions will cripple the economic situation and is one of the highest level of economic sanctions any country can ever have. More so, this restrictions will not be removed soon even if the war stops. They are also war strategies maybe not war itself, such economic constraint will starve war funding and give the other country leverage to ride on.
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legendary
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Your argument makes me understand why do you side with Putin: You do not understand the difference between brute force and reason.

USA nuclear attack against civilians in Hiroshima, Nagasaki ?
What about agent orange usage in Vietnam ?
Was it brute force or reason ?
And when USA lied about mass destruction weapon in Iraq and they used depleted uranium on them ?
Was it brute force or reason ?
And ISRAEL, your fucking dear ISRAEL, brute force or reason ?

Where are the economic sanctions against USA, you fucking hypocrites ?

In my view, H & N - the countries had been at war for years. The point was to avoid even more dead, so there is a (twisted) reason to it. The fact that the bombs were used on civilian targets would today be considered a war crime and it is not the only one. If you read about other attacks on the second world war, the incendiaries dropped in Hamburg did not receive as much attention, yet they caused a similar number of victims.

Agent Orange in Vietnam - Force. A war crime.

USA lying on WMD - neither, it was just another lie to justify grabbing oil. All wars require a moral "cover up" or else people would not be willing to fight. Is the same with most extremist organisations, they have to convince others to die for them promising stuff or infuriating them. The war itself was brute force and based merely on commercial considerations.

Please notice that only UK, Spain and Portugal supported USA war in Irak - it was an illegal war.

Israel expansion is force as well. I am afraid that the reason does not assist any of the sides (IMHO).

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Where are the economic sanctions against USA, you fucking hypocrites ?

USA is not threating Europe. Europe is not committing acts of war against Putin's Russia. To decide that sanctions are acts of war is not reason, just a cynic justification similar to "they have WMD".



newbie
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Economic sanctions cannot be seen as war in my view , hence it a warning and a deplomatic way to draw the attention and weaken the strength of those engaged in a war economically and to see if they could change there mindset
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