Topic: Economic Totalitarianism - page 36. (Read 345738 times)

https://youtu.be/lHcTKWiZ8sI    must watch freaky shit out of China

That is very creepy and very bad, yet I do not easily see how one could "opt out", as it will become, IIUC, by 2020.

How subtle the control.  Bet we see *something* like that at some point here in the West, although I hope not.  It will be interesting to see if the Chinese people go along with it (probably).

Thanks for posting that trollerc!

https://youtu.be/lHcTKWiZ8sI    must watch freaky shit out of China

Our future as species and inhabitants of this planet, is to bond together without sovereign states, towards a unitedecentralized world with one collectivedecentralized governmentlibertarian meritocracy that will include everybody.

Yow, it's getting hard to keep up with all the changes our lousy governments are foisting upon us.  The whole EU experiment does NOT look like it is making Europeans (people) happy.
And when these changes are fuzzy border police ones, yikes!
It is convenient for American tourists of course, just change dollars to euros...

One thing about the EU, they never let a crisis go to waste. This next move is a problem for
several countries, but especially for the UK and Ireland. Those islands could lose control of
their surrounding seas, and that leaves question marks over oil and gas resources.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-10/ft-shocker-eu-unveils-standing-border-force-will-act-even-if-government-objects
"However now in the aftermath of the Paris suicide bombings and the indefinite emergency
"pre-crime" laws instituted in France, conventional wisdom in Brussels is that Europeans' eagerness
to trade sovereignty (and thus liberty) in exchange for (border) security, is far greater."
"One of the most contentious elements of the regulation would hand the commission the power to
authorise a deployment to a frontier, on the recommendation of the management board of the newly
formed European Border and Coast Guard. This would also apply to non-EU members of Schengen,
such as Norway."
"If the plan is approved by EU states, Frontex's replacement will have a slew of new powers,
including the ability to hire and control its own border guards and buy its own equipment.
It will also be allowed to operate in non-EU countries - such as Serbia and Macedonia, which have
become transit countries for people trying to reach northern Europe "if requested."
"All have been spot on, but not even this aggressive and accurate forecast predicted that Europe
would be so bold as to effectively take over border and population control sovereignty across the
entire continent. It is about to do just that."

Given that control appears to be in the hands of "when things get serious you have to lie", forgive
me if this seems somewhat less than a well thought out plan, and for wondering how long will it
take before it is revealed who really is pulling the strings on these puppets?

I haven't viewed your links, I may do so when I have more free time.

But please ignore the goldbugs dude, we are entering a period of survival, everything is going to go fubar & you absolutely must ignore these people, follow Martin Armstrong and you will be O.K.

LOOK AT ALL THESE FUCKING YOUTUBE CHANNELS BEING MAde to sell gold BULLION!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsuY_v9tceWY27M-6fxI5SA/videos

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwA8PV6c0sc9D4lLGUSAFsg/videos

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQoIcy1Sd3J_BopCXtdIQbA/videos

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCynputKKCiyVJOKxSsXTUwA/videos

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrhOLQRoqVgVqhHFm9V5MXw/videos

Bitcoin goes up gold goes down ITS A FUCKING CONSPIRACY

Videos being uploaded per hour minutes apart wtf is going on why do they wanna sell gold so badly?

when they lead you to the official pages like finance for liberty or fabian for liberty and alex jones they have gold bullion adds, Why sell gold if its going to shoot up to 10k+ from what they claim?

Well, that's not good news.  We are just back from some three weeks in India and Nepal.  Those places have just about every germ in existence...  And even staying at the "five star" hotels and fancy tours, you can still get sick!  I did.  But, it was not too bad in my case.  Cipro took care of it within three days.  About 60% of our tour group did come down with something or other.

Re the article, it will be of great interest to see how this all develops.  In many cases of severe gut disease, merely staying hydrated and taking in salt & sugar (like they give to people with cholera), may be enough in that the human body usually will get around to killing off almost anything given time.

Great article, thanks for sharing.

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minor-transgression

I have found that usually almost every "change" brought on by .gov usually makes things worse...  The Hopey-Changey guy running things here (USA) is Exhibit A.

A ha! End-to-end identity anonymity is possible!



There is a simple solution for DDoS with Zerocash. Use my hash-based signature suggestion on a non-anonymous basecoin, when sending the anonymous zerocash (the Zerocash paper names these zerocoins, not to be confused with Zerocoin) transaction. Since on a spend transaction (aka pour) the anonymous coins are entirely mixed with all anonymous coins, then your IP address and your non-anonymous transactions do nothing to help anyone trace the anonymous coins. And putting the non-anonymous funds at-risk with the fast to verify hash-based signature (3 million verifications per second on an 8 core CPU!), solves the DDoS attack issue.

Alternatively it may be possible to mint the hash signatures in such a way that the anonymous coins are forfeited when doing a DDoS attack, but are still not non-anonymously linked to the hash based public key, instead of needing to use a separate non-anonymous basecoin. This would be preferred for permissionless commerce.

So thus unlike RingCT, no CoinShuffle (mixnet) would be needed. Unlike Cryptonote (and RingCT), Zerocash hides everything because the inputs to the NIZKP are never revealed! This is the advantage zk-SNARKs because it proves that a program compared the inputs in the desired way, without revealing what the inputs were. Whereas in CN and RingCT, we all see the input public key addresses and the proof of which public address is spending is obscured by the mix, but correlating the IP address across mixes can correlate which of those addresses were in both mixes. For CN and RingCT to be as anonymous as Zerocash would require they mix with all known (and future!) public key addresses.

Note that zk-SNARKs are very slow to verify (roughly 300ms for a Zerocash transaction) and consume more bandwidth so this can't be used for all transactions. It would be a mixer that you mint non-anonymous coins into when the slow verification and its higher fees are justified.


Apparently I am mistaken. Zerocash coins have serial numbers, so it should be possible to know which serial numbers have been double spent on both forks.

Your point about private block chains (which I don't think will work well for similar concerns that corporations are learning not to depend on closed source), ties back into another distinction I want to make about public block chains.

Hide Data, Not IP

If we accept my studied intuition (which I detailed over my past few posts in this thread) that anonymity is untenable (because leakage is catastrophic to the point of doing anonymity, i.e. anonymity assumes 100% perfection otherwise don't bother with the flimsy/undetectable assurance of it), this doesn't mean that for example Confidential Transactions (CT) hiding of value is untenable.

So in general the privacy we want, may be to hide the data and not who is doing it. This data can also leak into layers where it is not hidden, but that would be the same as what we have now in the current world.

So I have been thinking to give up on anonymity of IP addresses (and thus Cryptonote, RingCT, and the ring aspect of my Zero Knowledge Transactions are not needed), but retain end-to-end encryption of the data. CT enables hiding of the values that are being traded.

So the government can still identify who is making those transactions and compel you to reveal your private keys or face the gulag, but in the normal use of the public block chain privacy is retained (to the extent it doesn't leak into non-hidden layers but that is the current world situation any way, so no worse).

Governments and police agencies will feel less threatened, yet some of the NSA-gone-amok indiscriminate big data collection will be foiled (which is a good thing since that crap has been argued to be entirely ineffective and puts the data at-risk of abuse ... remember the stories of TSA agents masturbating to nude airport scanner images and also I believe I read about GHCQ collecting Yahoo Messenger videochats and perhaps some agents were growing hair on their palms as well).

I believe this epiphany (separation-of-concerns) is foundational and very important.

So next we try to find ways to hide the data of smart contracts on the block chain. Actually my Zero Knowledge Transactions white paper also has innovations on hiding value that are not present in CT nor CCT, so if those are correct, I am already making progress on this paradigm.

Mix Data, Not Identity

Perhaps if it is possible to somehow mix currency data with smart contract data, it would make each more fungible in the sense that one can't construct a blacklist based on IP address of who is sending to the block chain if they don't even know which class of data they are black listing.

Also in general, I explained in the thread I linked to (and my coming research writeup will explain in more detail) why blacklisting by IP address in untenable any way. Thus I think the argument that anonymity of IP is essential for fungibility is being vacated.

I need to write up all this in a more technically detailed exposition so I can see how it all fits together in detail. I may have holes in this high-level overview. For example, need to work through the details of how identity of payer and payee on a block chain differs from the notion of IP address identity.