Efficient way to eradicate corruption

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Quote from: BartS on March 19, 2017, 04:01:50 PM

Quote from: giantdragon on February 07, 2017, 11:24:40 PM

If a government employee being caught taking bribe or embezzling funds from the budget, even single time, remove presumption of innocence from all his assets (house, land, car, jewelry, bank account etc) and require him to prove source of the income from which he had acquired these assets. If he cannot prove legality of his incomes, confiscate ALL properties belonging to him or transferred to his relatives after investigation started.

For many corruptioners prison time is nothing! After serving few years he can start living like a millionaire having money he stole.

That will not work because those that have the duty to prosecute those felons can be corrupted too and if that happens then corruption will run rampant as it is the case right now.

It seems to me that to fight corruption can only be that you need to destroy not bribes, and the reason prompted the man to bribe. In another corruption not to win.

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Quote from: giantdragon on February 07, 2017, 11:24:40 PM

If a government employee being caught taking bribe or embezzling funds from the budget, even single time, remove presumption of innocence from all his assets (house, land, car, jewelry, bank account etc) and require him to prove source of the income from which he had acquired these assets. If he cannot prove legality of his incomes, confiscate ALL properties belonging to him or transferred to his relatives after investigation started.

For many corruptioners prison time is nothing! After serving few years he can start living like a millionaire having money he stole.

That will not work because those that have the duty to prosecute those felons can be corrupted too and if that happens then corruption will run rampant as it is the case right now.

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Quote from: ice18 on February 26, 2017, 10:04:19 PM

I agree with death penalty just like the old times like firing squad, hanging to death etc, but I think in our county this kind of punishment will not likely to happen because there is no existing laws that include government officials with this kind of punishment, too bad.

Well that is not right, government officials are still included in this type of punishment, it depends on how high of crime did that government official to punish themnusing the punishment said. There are levels of crime matching their own pusnishments.

Cruelty begets cruelty. The death penalty does not solve the problem of corruption and crime. I think that the punishment system really needs to be changed, but it should be something like penal servitude.

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Quote from: ice18 on February 26, 2017, 10:04:19 PM

I agree with death penalty just like the old times like firing squad, hanging to death etc, but I think in our county this kind of punishment will not likely to happen because there is no existing laws that include government officials with this kind of punishment, too bad.

Well that is not right, government officials are still included in this type of punishment, it depends on how high of crime did that government official to punish themnusing the punishment said. There are levels of crime matching their own pusnishments.

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Quote from: bra4our on March 19, 2017, 03:32:44 PM

Imprisonment doesn't seem to work when it comes to corruption nowadays, I like how it is in China, they just kill you, death has a way of deterring people from committing doing anything illegal.

In fact, China has rarely kill. Corruption is everywhere. In many countries if corruption will stop these countries paralyzed. Officials have come up with a lot of laws which prohibit all. But corruption allows you to not abide by these laws.

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Imprisonment doesn't seem to work when it comes to corruption nowadays, I like how it is in China, they just kill you, death has a way of deterring people from committing doing anything illegal.

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Quote from: Mia Wallace on February 28, 2017, 05:17:47 AM

Quote from: ice18 on February 26, 2017, 10:04:19 PM

I agree with death penalty just like the old times like firing squad, hanging to death etc, but I think in our county this kind of punishment will not likely to happen because there is no existing laws that include government officials with this kind of punishment, too bad.

It is really easy to call upon a firing squad and death penalty for corruption .Why you want to think about extreme measures rather than steps to isolate that individual from the political or government jobs rather than killing them and you can very well confiscate their wealth and if government starts implementing this then we will be able to reduce corruption .

Nobody would ever condone murder as a penalty for corruption in a modern society. Isolation would be a great idea. Such penalties are already used but they are very limited and rarely imposed on politicians.
Such rule applies to teachers, if one is convicted for a major crime he is immediately banned from working in education. Doctors and judges are facing similar penalties if they are found asking for bribes, but these cases are difficult to prove in court unless you have him on camera.
It's funny that one of the most corrupt groups, the politicians, are seldom convicted.

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Quote from: ice18 on February 26, 2017, 10:04:19 PM

I agree with death penalty just like the old times like firing squad, hanging to death etc, but I think in our county this kind of punishment will not likely to happen because there is no existing laws that include government officials with this kind of punishment, too bad.

It is really easy to call upon a firing squad and death penalty for corruption .Why you want to think about extreme measures rather than steps to isolate that individual from the political or government jobs rather than killing them and you can very well confiscate their wealth and if government starts implementing this then we will be able to reduce corruption .

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Quote from: ice18 on February 26, 2017, 10:04:19 PM

I agree with death penalty just like the old times like firing squad, hanging to death etc, but I think in our county this kind of punishment will not likely to happen because there is no existing laws that include government officials with this kind of punishment, too bad.

Death penalty is not a good solution, unless all that were suspected corrupt politicians are proven guilty with lots of substantial evidence that could prove it including videos and conversation... It would be unfair to public officials who were just framed up or if not, being set up by someone...

Aside from that, judges are humans and they are not perfect in making a decision, that is why there is always a retrial and someone could appeal his/her case in the higher courts...

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I agree with death penalty just like the old times like firing squad, hanging to death etc, but I think in our county this kind of punishment will not likely to happen because there is no existing laws that include government officials with this kind of punishment, too bad.

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Quote from: boris singer on February 25, 2017, 03:04:29 PM

Quote from: novemberwoah on February 25, 2017, 11:23:48 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 25, 2017, 12:07:35 AM

Quote from: Bee Leb07 on February 24, 2017, 12:19:23 PM

100% eradication is not possible. But by taking some steps like giving better salaries in government jobs, increasing the number of workers, speeding up the work process in different types of government institutions etc can hardly help to eradicate corruption. Now-a-days it has become a severe issue. So, along with governments we all should also be alert of this.

I disagree with you. If the government officials get good salary, the prevalence of corruption will be reduced by a great deal. But we need to implement a carrot and stick approach. Good salaries alone won't do the job. Tough punishments also need to be given out to the corrupt officials.

A government official I thought it was getting a good salary, so maybe it does not work to reduce corruption. Give a better salary is not a good way to eradicate corruption I think, because people will not be satisfied with what they get so that their desire to continue to get better salaries will always be there. Heavy punishment I think a good way to eradicate corruption, if the punishment is done firmly and true I think would make people think back to corruption.

Corruption will never run out, people who were given huge salaries and higher administrative positions will not solve the problem because corruptor is never satisfied. Prison just a hotel to hide away and on vacation. Corruptions number of property seized by government is only a fraction of their total wealth (nominal visible). A good name is tarnished not important because money is everything for them.

I agree with death penalty. This will provide a deterrent for others. Human rights have always voiced about human justice, but they are silent when corruptors continue to dredge nation's wealth without mercy, even after being jailed and free.

Yes, most decisive punishment may be given to corruption, the death penalty is one of the best ways to reduce corruption. Because this will make people afraid to engage in corruption so that corruption can be reduced or even eliminated. Because if jailed, they could be free with pay. And if to return the money, it's not all of them will be returned. But I am sure this will cause the pros and cons for a country that had never done that. But whatever, I also agree with the death penalty for corruption.

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Quote from: novemberwoah on February 25, 2017, 11:23:48 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 25, 2017, 12:07:35 AM

Quote from: Bee Leb07 on February 24, 2017, 12:19:23 PM

100% eradication is not possible. But by taking some steps like giving better salaries in government jobs, increasing the number of workers, speeding up the work process in different types of government institutions etc can hardly help to eradicate corruption. Now-a-days it has become a severe issue. So, along with governments we all should also be alert of this.

I disagree with you. If the government officials get good salary, the prevalence of corruption will be reduced by a great deal. But we need to implement a carrot and stick approach. Good salaries alone won't do the job. Tough punishments also need to be given out to the corrupt officials.

A government official I thought it was getting a good salary, so maybe it does not work to reduce corruption. Give a better salary is not a good way to eradicate corruption I think, because people will not be satisfied with what they get so that their desire to continue to get better salaries will always be there. Heavy punishment I think a good way to eradicate corruption, if the punishment is done firmly and true I think would make people think back to corruption.

Corruption will never run out, people who were given huge salaries and higher administrative positions will not solve the problem because corruptor is never satisfied. Prison just a hotel to hide away and on vacation. Corruptions number of property seized by government is only a fraction of their total wealth (nominal visible). A good name is tarnished not important because money is everything for them.

I agree with death penalty. This will provide a deterrent for others. Human rights have always voiced about human justice, but they are silent when corruptors continue to dredge nation's wealth without mercy, even after being jailed and free.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 25, 2017, 12:07:35 AM

Quote from: Bee Leb07 on February 24, 2017, 12:19:23 PM

100% eradication is not possible. But by taking some steps like giving better salaries in government jobs, increasing the number of workers, speeding up the work process in different types of government institutions etc can hardly help to eradicate corruption. Now-a-days it has become a severe issue. So, along with governments we all should also be alert of this.

I disagree with you. If the government officials get good salary, the prevalence of corruption will be reduced by a great deal. But we need to implement a carrot and stick approach. Good salaries alone won't do the job. Tough punishments also need to be given out to the corrupt officials.

A government official I thought it was getting a good salary, so maybe it does not work to reduce corruption. Give a better salary is not a good way to eradicate corruption I think, because people will not be satisfied with what they get so that their desire to continue to get better salaries will always be there. Heavy punishment I think a good way to eradicate corruption, if the punishment is done firmly and true I think would make people think back to corruption.

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Quote from: Bee Leb07 on February 24, 2017, 12:19:23 PM

100% eradication is not possible. But by taking some steps like giving better salaries in government jobs, increasing the number of workers, speeding up the work process in different types of government institutions etc can hardly help to eradicate corruption. Now-a-days it has become a severe issue. So, along with governments we all should also be alert of this.

I disagree with you. If the government officials get good salary, the prevalence of corruption will be reduced by a great deal. But we need to implement a carrot and stick approach. Good salaries alone won't do the job. Tough punishments also need to be given out to the corrupt officials.

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Quote from: Bee Leb07 on February 24, 2017, 12:19:23 PM

100% eradication is not possible. But by taking some steps like giving better salaries in government jobs, increasing the number of workers, speeding up the work process in different types of government institutions etc can hardly help to eradicate corruption. Now-a-days it has become a severe issue. So, along with governments we all should also be alert of this.

Giving them more salary would just give them an idea that they need more money, much larger than their salary, we are human and we are not contented with what we have...

The best thing that I think could prevent them from corrupting is, there should be no money that are entering their office, signing of papers where money might be involved should be done in one office, with all those that are going to sign are present, and with third party witness and video with proper documentation and those were regularly being send to the higher offices...

One more thing, house them all they should be transported by the car provided by the government back and fort of their quarter, and freeze all their assets while they are in the office and of course, pay their salary after their term... - This are all highly unlikely to happen..

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I think corruption is a criminal act that is highly detrimental to the nation, and it is appropriate that the government provides severe criminal sanctions for perpetrators of corruption, in order to provide a deterrent for the perpetrators of corruption,,,,,

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100% eradication is not possible. But by taking some steps like giving better salaries in government jobs, increasing the number of workers, speeding up the work process in different types of government institutions etc can hardly help to eradicate corruption. Now-a-days it has become a severe issue. So, along with governments we all should also be alert of this.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on February 16, 2017, 11:06:45 AM

Before thinking of the consequences, we should consider the causes of this problem.
What is the cause of corruption?
We are weak people, confused, without a moral compass...
Where is the origin of absolute value and morality?
In God.
Since we are separated from God, we lost sense of morality.
We replaced absolute morality from God with our own, human morality, relative and changeable.
Because of this, we see corruption and selfishness in the world, as result.

I agree to some aspects of this, instead of focusing on the punishment, i think it is important that we look into methods of stopping corruption from happening in the first place, i think what we need are governments that are completely transparent to the general public in every possible way

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Quote from: Daniel91 on February 16, 2017, 11:06:45 AM

Before thinking of the consequences, we should consider the causes of this problem.
What is the cause of corruption?
We are weak people, confused, without a moral compass...
Where is the origin of absolute value and morality?
In God.
Since we are separated from God, we lost sense of morality.
We replaced absolute morality from God with our own, human morality, relative and changeable.
Because of this, we see corruption and selfishness in the world, as result.

And I think that it's much easier. God has nothing to do with it. I'm sure that it is not. The more likely cause of corruption is the imperfect legislation. Corrupt help people to get around them. To successfully combat this phenomenon it is necessary to simplify the legislation.

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Before thinking of the consequences, we should consider the causes of this problem.
What is the cause of corruption?
We are weak people, confused, without a moral compass...
Where is the origin of absolute value and morality?
In God.
Since we are separated from God, we lost sense of morality.
We replaced absolute morality from God with our own, human morality, relative and changeable.
Because of this, we see corruption and selfishness in the world, as result.

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