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what's the solution?  how you going to stop people from manipulating bitcoin like this? design a better bitcoin? pull all your coins away from third parties?  people are still going to use third parties and even create debt instruments regarding bitcoin, even if we don't want them to.  I am not anti-government, but I doubt governments are going to help.. and I am not even sure if there is anything that governments can do to actually "help."...
I also have the same view as you, is this third party more inclined to the government as a state stakeholder?
If I don't fail to understand the content of your comment. (Please straighten)
Bitcoin if connected directly to the government will experience discretion, is this possible?
because they never take bitcoin seriously, all they think about is how to benefit from bitcoin adoption, it's not wrong if they think so, but sadly bitcoin is no longer attractive for decentralized system, because they will adopt according to interest.
The government should open up the widest possible space for bitcoin growth, thus bitcoin management will run on the desired path, the more people who take part, the greater the opportunity for state tax revenues to increase.
Important note, the government must make special regulations regarding transaction taxes in crypto or bitcoin, regulations are made based on transactions and convert bitcoins to fiat currencies (Respective Country Currencies), for example each transaction is subject to adjusted tax, tax deductions are made directly by the bank concerned, so that the tax will go to the state treasury, thus the more transactions carried out, the greater the profit obtained.
Especially for my country, currently the Bank has cut every transaction by 10K.

On the other hand, let bitcoin grow, thus fiat currency becomes the most important part of bitcoin journey.

I don't really disagree with anything that you said in your response to me - even though it seems to me that you are expressing different concerns than the ones that I thought that I was attempting to question.

It seems to me that we are not always going to be able to ascribe the goals and tactics of governments in the same ways across jurisdictions because some governments may well consider themselves to be more friendly to bitcoin and others might take a more hostile approach - with all kinds of variations in between, so I was not necessarily trying to categorize the various approaches that governments might take or if there might be some common parameters in which various governments might be treating bitcoin (and/or other crypto currencies when they might end up lumping bitcoin regulation in with the regulation of various other crypto currencies/assets, too).  

Nonetheless, on an individual level, we are likely going to be better off to attempt to assess how we might go forward in terms of how much we might use services that involve third-parties holding and/or controlling our own bitcoin private keys, maybe sharing information with the government and/or even possibly withholding value for taxes.

If we expect to transact and interact with bitcoin for a decently long period of time into the future, we are not necessarily going to know in which ways rules in the future might change (could become more hostile or more friendly towards bitcoin), and even if we do not know all of these factors, we still might want to figure out if there might be ways in which we are going to want to hold some of our bitcoin value away from third-party systems, even if we might still keep some of the value within some kinds of third party systems and we might even want to transact with and within such third-party systems.   

I would not even be attempting to assert that in these times that we might not have some advantages to attempting to maintain a foot in both worlds - but at the same time, there can be risks with how you hold your bitcoin and how you make your interactions in either system (and surely some folks believe that there should be goals to attempt to completely go into the bitcoin world, which could have its own risks and complications if questions might come up about how you are holding and transacting value and questions about whether you have obligations to report your transactions or your wealth.. which can also vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and the rules might change in the future too (in either more restrictive or more lenient ways).

It is not necessarily easy to attempt to invest in bitcoin and even to attempt to transact in bitcoin while at the same time trying to protect your finances and/or your privacy in various ways, and surely a decent number of bitcoiners are likely going take the easy way out and hold and transact with their bitcoin through third-party services that may well be leaking personal data or holding the coins of the person who thinks that they have bitcoin when they may ONLY have claims upon bitcoins that may well not even exist.  There is likely no one solution because there still are a decent number of complications in holding your own keys, even if that may well be amongst the most empowering of ways to hold and use bitcoin.
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what's the solution?  how you going to stop people from manipulating bitcoin like this? design a better bitcoin? pull all your coins away from third parties?  people are still going to use third parties and even create debt instruments regarding bitcoin, even if we don't want them to.  I am not anti-government, but I doubt governments are going to help.. and I am not even sure if there is anything that governments can do to actually "help."...
I also have the same view as you, is this third party more inclined to the government as a state stakeholder?
If I don't fail to understand the content of your comment. (Please straighten)
Bitcoin if connected directly to the government will experience discretion, is this possible?
because they never take bitcoin seriously, all they think about is how to benefit from bitcoin adoption, it's not wrong if they think so, but sadly bitcoin is no longer attractive for decentralized system, because they will adopt according to interest.
The government should open up the widest possible space for bitcoin growth, thus bitcoin management will run on the desired path, the more people who take part, the greater the opportunity for state tax revenues to increase.
Important note, the government must make special regulations regarding transaction taxes in crypto or bitcoin, regulations are made based on transactions and convert bitcoins to fiat currencies (Respective Country Currencies), for example each transaction is subject to adjusted tax, tax deductions are made directly by the bank concerned, so that the tax will go to the state treasury, thus the more transactions carried out, the greater the profit obtained.
Especially for my country, currently the Bank has cut every transaction by 10K.

On the other hand, let bitcoin grow, thus fiat currency becomes the most important part of bitcoin journey.
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Right now I am collecting everything I can to go to El Salvador, I want to go myself to find out and see everything that is related to Bitcoin in that beautiful country, and I want to know the city of Bitcoin, I would like to see even from afar the President Bukele, just as the president sees himself here in Ecuador, for me a country that is friendly to Bitcoin is an index that they are very cool people, I also want to be part of that history because El Salvador is an example to the world.
A nice plan you have and a good way to see the world mate,  I personally have never been to El Salvador and up until now, I've not had any plan of traveling there,  but my instinct tells me the experience will be worth the stress and expense.
El Salvador have made the path clear for other countries to follow,  and like we all already know,  the central African Republic have traveled that same path,  hopefully, alot more countries are coming next year being 2023,  fingers crossed for the next country that will make bitcoin legal tender.

Cast your votes on coinmarketcap... https://coinmarketcap.com/legal-tender-countries/
Of course, many would like to be able to come to elsavador not only because the country is friendly by accepting bitcoin as a legal and recognized means of exchange, but we also know that before elsavador was famous for its bitcoin adoption, it is clear that the country is also famous for tourism that has been going well .
but tourism there will continue to be more passionate because it is supported by the use of bitcoin as a tool that can be used in addition to payment instruments that already exist and have been used so far.

That's right buddy, El Salvador has become an icon that really inspires many countries to also want to adopt bitcoin. as you attach in the link you provided, it is clear that many people have predicted that they will also start doing things like al savador.
clearly this is progress that must always be supported and given a very deep appreciation, hopefully it will make bitcoin more known and used to smooth things out.

we will wait in the future there will be more countries that will follow in his footsteps like el savador, welcome to join and make bitcoin more and more trusted.
if you look at your CMC link Fivestar4everMVP, it is clear that America is more dominant in main ranking.
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Through an internet source came across the above details about El Salvador. This is completely getting better with time, and for a country with 7 million population it is placed at a good position.

Then if i may ask that where are the haters getting their fake news about El-Savador from? I just want to believe it's this same internet we all use, i think by niw we all should learn to overlook some unrealistic news flooding the internet about El-Savador and have only but few reliable source from where we read updates, its a thing of joy as hearing this about El-Savador.

This change have happened after Bukele into the administration

Bukele is a man with foresights and focus, who don't listen to noises around the world.

On the support for business El Salvador ranks high close to the top 50 which is also a good thing. For different reasons it is into criticism, even at such situation it is growing rapidly.

Am sure when some begin to see El-Savador making it good from bitcoin adoption with evident results, maybe by then they will also be forced to accept bitcoin.
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Through an internet source came across the above details about El Salvador. This is completely getting better with time, and for a country with 7 million population it is placed at a good position. This change have happened after Bukele into the administration. On the support for business El Salvador ranks high close to the top 50 which is also a good thing. For different reasons it is into criticism, even at such situation it is growing rapidly.
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A lot of progress has been witnessed in the tourism industry in El Salvador, this growth in revenue from tourism has been ascribed to two factors, that are.
1: lifting of restriction from covid-19
2: Bitcoin adoption in the tourism sector.
Tourism is one of the highest revenue generations for the growing economy of El Salvador and with the adoption of Bitcoin, the tourism sector has witnessed a lot of inflow from bitcoin lovers, who now choose El Salvador as their tourism destination.
I was discussing with a friend in the US some days back and he inform me of his preparation to go for the coming summer holidays in El Salvador since he can conveniently spend his bitcoin in that country without having to exchange them for fiat before using it.
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While many are buzzing, skeptical about El Salvador will default when bitcoin is in bear season? In early August, the president of El Salvador said that their tourism industry had recovered and returned to pre-covid19 levels thanks to bitcoin. Recently, El Salvador's Ambassador to the United States said: Bitcoin is changing the image of their country and attracting new investments. Bitcoin is bringing a breath of fresh air to El Salvador, they are moving forward step by step and breaking everyone's doubts.
https://twitter.com/BitcoinMagazine/status/1562536048923533314


El Salvador has indeed become famous since adopting bitcoin as a legal tender.

El salvador was able to reverse the state of tourism which originally declined drastically due to covid 19. and now that el salvador has adopted bitcoin the income from tourism to the country has increased rapidly. compared to other countries that have not been able to make a comeback in the post-covid-19 tourism sector.
even when other countries have not been able to recover the level of income from tourism which has decreased due to the covid-19 pandemic, it is a different story with el salvador which has succeeded in attracting tourists.

only a handful of countries are still cynical about el salvador. because now most countries are starting to pay attention to El Salvador and it is hoped that in the future they will follow the same steps.
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While many are buzzing, skeptical about El Salvador will default when bitcoin is in bear season? In early August, the president of El Salvador said that their tourism industry had recovered and returned to pre-covid19 levels thanks to bitcoin. Recently, El Salvador's Ambassador to the United States said: Bitcoin is changing the image of their country and attracting new investments. Bitcoin is bringing a breath of fresh air to El Salvador, they are moving forward step by step and breaking everyone's doubts.
https://twitter.com/BitcoinMagazine/status/1562536048923533314
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Your point may be fair about Dixon currently working on figuring out ways to rescue (provide liquidity to Celsius), but your references are a bit weird because one of the links is from a July 12th article.

That's why the thirteen layers of tinfoil, if we would have proofs something like this would be real it would be a clear fact, not speculation.

what's the solution?  how you going to stop people from manipulating bitcoin like this?

Simple, you don't!
I said it quite a few times, that's what I like about Bitcoin, it's a tool that you can use as you see fit, you want to invest and hold your coins till you realize not even the whole yearly production of Pfizer which you have bought with one BTC is going to help you, that's your choice, you want to use it as a way to send money to your relatives to help them survive during these times, good for you. A way to hide some of your wealth from your new spouse you meant 3 days ago on Tinder, it works perfectly, you want to flee the country but you know you won't pass the checkpoints with 10 kilos of gold in your ass, bitcoin for the rescue!!!!

Do people want to manipulate the price? If they can, that's it, it's a free market, just as envisioned, where no central authority can decide what's good and what's bad. My feeling is not that we need a new bitcoin, it's rather that the current population is not ready for bitcoin.

but how are you going to stop people/institutions/governments from attempting to use whatever tools are available to them to accomplish their various missions

If there would have been a way to do so we wouldn't have needed Bitcoin in the first place!
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See: https://twitter.com/SimonDixonTwitt/status/1560587656152911874

I haven’t managed to see any concrete companies of the type that are known to be in distress, and I’m wondering how big of a problem that is, given that there’s a company ready to invest heavily in bailing them out of the situation, involving the county’s president in the process.

Celsius Grin
Now, applying thirteen layers of tinfoil, what kind of a firework shitshow we're going to witness if it turns out those coins Salvador bought have been invested in Celsius? More layers of tinfoil:

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Simon Dixon, CEO of prominent Celsius investor BnkToTheFuture, said this morning that he secured up to $6 billion in investor liquidity to solve Celsius’ liquidity woes — only to watch the deal fall apart after Celsius refused to show its financial records to potential investors.

I'm starting t wonder what could be worse, having the money invested in Celsius, or using 6 billion to bail out some bankrupt monkey NFTs Smiley

Why can't some just stick to Bitcoin, simple Bitcoin, you own your coins, you spend your coins, you buy your coins with your own money!
No bonds, magical vulcanos, bailing private companies, pet hospitals, centralized wallets, all that shit!

Your point may be fair about Dixon currently working on figuring out ways to rescue (provide liquidity to Celsius), but your references are a bit weird because one of the links is from a July 12th article.

I'm somewhat in agreement that strict bitcoin may well be better, but how are you going to stop people/institutions/governments from attempting to use whatever tools are available to them to accomplish their various missions - and yeah, the use of the various tools is not the same as using bitcoin directly - but we have to attempt to be realistic in terms of what adoption looks like and perhaps some of the challenges that bitcoin has in terms of how it survives while being manipulated and used by these various tools - and surely many of us know and appreciate a decent amount of the value of bitcoin does come from being able to hold it directly - but at the same time, we might well be able to appreciate that there are a whole hell of a lot of ways to fractionally reserve it and to create various debt instruments - which in the end are ways to screw around with its actual strict supply.. which also seems to take away from bitcoin's abilities to pump forever.

what's the solution?  how you going to stop people from manipulating bitcoin like this? design a better bitcoin? pull all your coins away from third parties?  people are still going to use third parties and even create debt instruments regarding bitcoin, even if we don't want them to.  I am not anti-government, but I doubt governments are going to help.. and I am not even sure if there is anything that governments can do to actually "help."...
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See: https://twitter.com/SimonDixonTwitt/status/1560587656152911874

I haven’t managed to see any concrete companies of the type that are known to be in distress, and I’m wondering how big of a problem that is, given that there’s a company ready to invest heavily in bailing them out of the situation, involving the county’s president in the process.

Celsius Grin
Now, applying thirteen layers of tinfoil, what kind of a firework shitshow we're going to witness if it turns out those coins Salvador bought have been invested in Celsius? More layers of tinfoil:

Quote
Simon Dixon, CEO of prominent Celsius investor BnkToTheFuture, said this morning that he secured up to $6 billion in investor liquidity to solve Celsius’ liquidity woes — only to watch the deal fall apart after Celsius refused to show its financial records to potential investors.

I'm starting t wonder what could be worse, having the money invested in Celsius, or using 6 billion to bail out some bankrupt monkey NFTs Smiley

Why can't some just stick to Bitcoin, simple Bitcoin, you own your coins, you spend your coins, you buy your coins with your own money!
No bonds, magical vulcanos, bailing private companies, pet hospitals, centralized wallets, all that shit!



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Bitcoin is a very good site. Everyone benefits from it. I also do a lot of work myself. And this is a good site I got enough proof. It is very easy and enjoyable job and very easy way to earn for common people. Bitcoin development is very fast. Everyone is earning good money from Bitcoin. Who is behind Bitcoin development. I respect them. Finally, I would like to say that those who are developing Bitcoin should go further.

Based on what you are saying, it appears that you do not have a clear understanding of bitcoin. Spend more time learning about bitcoin.
@Z-tight, have suggested you some bitcoin related websites, use them and learn about bitcoin before taking steps like investing or using bitcoin.

Welcome to bitcointalk forum, it is the leading forum about bitcoin. I think you should visit this thread to understand the forum well before using it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=39.0
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Bitcoin is a very good site. Everyone benefits from it. I also do a lot of work myself. And this is a good site I got enough proof. It is very easy and enjoyable job and very easy way to earn for common people. Bitcoin development is very fast. Everyone is earning good money from Bitcoin. Who is behind Bitcoin development. I respect them. Finally, I would like to say that those who are developing Bitcoin should go further.
Bitcoin is not a site, it is a network, a technology, and not everyone benefits from it, some people are afraid, they don't trust it, they think it is a scam, and they miss out on freedom, we can only hope that they know better and research more into it in the future.

Bitcoin is not a job, it is a currency and an asset, it is not a quick earning scheme, bitcoin is a medium of exchange and in long term it is an asset that has shown it can provide great returns.

Yes Bitcoin development is fast, but no, not everyone is earning money from it. Satoshi created bitcoin, and developers and volunteers have ensured that the progress of the network remains endless. These are good links to get you started:

https://learnmeabitcoin.com/
https://bitcoin.org/en/how-it-works
https://theinternetofmoney.info/
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPQwGV1aLnTuN6kdNWlElfr2tzigB9Nnj
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Bank to the Future’s CEO recently tweeted the following content:
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Myself, @nayibbukele & the @BankToTheFuture team are cooking up a number of recovery plans in El Salvador for global distressed #Bitcoin lending companies. Can be an amazing opportunity for all affected when you have the perfect leadership, laws & #Bitcoin #DepositorsFirst
See: https://twitter.com/SimonDixonTwitt/status/1560587656152911874

Now when last month the Ambassador of El Salvador to the United States declared that the investment was going to be of around 6000 M $ in BTC in the country, I had no idea what type of investments she was talking about. We now know that at least part of that sum (lacking a concrete percentage or absolute figure – I want to think that they don’t mean 100%) are going towards recuing Bitcoin lending companies in distress, and this has caught my attention.

I haven’t managed to see any concrete companies of the type that are known to be in distress, and I’m wondering how big of a problem that is, given that there’s a company ready to invest heavily in bailing them out of the situation, involving the county’s president in the process.

Yes, of course, there would be some devil in the details in terms of what kinds of rescuing would be taking place versus entering into some business deals in which distressed companies can be purchased on the cheap, and surely some "deals" might be better than others, and surely bitcoiners are going to be bothered by the idea of bailing out companies for the mere sake of their having had made bad (or even corrupt or Ponzi-like decisions), and surely what is conduct enabling "pure bitcoin" (if there is such a thing?) that gets away from the various kind of morally repugnant behaviors of sovereigns in regards to money printing and debt being used to inflate the supply of an asset/currency (which can either be characterized as fractional reserves or money printing) versus deal that might emphasize more of the bitcoiny aspect of having a bearer instrument.. that has ways of empowering people, institutions and governments as long as they are NOT going down too far on a slippery slope of just printing bitcoin (or whatever it is that some of the supposedly distressed companies had been doing..... lending twice.. not having the bitcoins they claimed to have, etc, etc)..

The devil might be in the details regarding figuring out what kinds of bedfellows they are finding and how much intervening would they be doing in regards to any kinds of bail outs or rescue packages that they consider to be in their interest (presumably in the interst of the El Salvador public, too)...
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Bank to the Future’s CEO recently tweeted the following content:
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Myself, @nayibbukele & the @BankToTheFuture team are cooking up a number of recovery plans in El Salvador for global distressed #Bitcoin lending companies. Can be an amazing opportunity for all affected when you have the perfect leadership, laws & #Bitcoin #DepositorsFirst
See: https://twitter.com/SimonDixonTwitt/status/1560587656152911874

Now when last month the Ambassador of El Salvador to the United States declared that the investment was going to be of around 6000 M $ in BTC in the country, I had no idea what type of investments she was talking about. We now know that at least part of that sum (lacking a concrete percentage or absolute figure – I want to think that they don’t mean 100%) are going towards recuing Bitcoin lending companies in distress, and this has caught my attention.

I haven’t managed to see any concrete companies of the type that are known to be in distress, and I’m wondering how big of a problem that is, given that there’s a company ready to invest heavily in bailing them out of the situation, involving the county’s president in the process.
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El Salvador has spent just $100 million on #Bitcoin and gained not only BILLIONS worth in brand value but, most importantly, the economic sovereignty of FU money in the treasury. @StacyHerbert
https://twitter.com/BTC_Archive/status/1559472091069546496?t=r2yCJHDTxyFJmZTDZwC_RQ&s=19

that is what having asset in bitcoin could promise over time, this may not have been achieved but investing on bitcoin is what can be foreseen in the nearest and  possible future, Stacy Herbert stage this out in other to give more supportive hands in other to make bitcoin a digital asset worth going for, amidst all that had been said of El-Savador's bitcoin adoption, the future right ahead is more than the current situation ever encountered, anticipate for the next move on bullrun.
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Regarding the poll, I did appreciate the link that Fivestar4everMVP had provided - even though it is difficult to have very much confidence in such a poll - but if such a poll were made through prediction markets (in which betting was involved) then the information would likely be a better predictor regarding what might happen.
I also did participate in the poll though, but having in mind that I am just my own predictions and perception as regards to which country is next to make Bitcoin and legal tender. Several factors influence my decision to choose which country I think will be the next Bitcoin country and such factors are not limited to the political will of the leader and the Bitcoin-friendly approach. E.g taking a tech approach towards innovative involvement and creating an enabling environment for their citizens to thrive upon in the young growing cryptocurrency industry. On that list, the only country I see is linen on cryptocurrency is United 🇺🇸 States and that is why El Salvador from that region has adopted Bitcoin as legal tender. Bitcoin mainstream adoption is going to begin in the United 🇺🇸 states in any way that is just my thoughts.

I have come to believe that countries who do not have their own currencies are more inclined to adopt bitcoin as legal tender, so there seems to be a bit of a lack of an incentive for countries with a currency to adopt bitcoin and they may well start to employ policies and practices that are more hostile to bitcoin.. that's my current thinking about trying to consider what factors would be more important to attempt to predict which countries are more likely to be next.
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Earthquake have been experienced on some part of the ocean. 86km north Pacific of San Salvador it is being experienced. This hasn't made any big destruction. Right now if the government make a sell and with the profit from bitcoin does an advancement to the earthquake early deduction system. We can see people who once opposed bitcoin considering the adoption in the positive way.
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Regarding the poll, I did appreciate the link that Fivestar4everMVP had provided - even though it is difficult to have very much confidence in such a poll - but if such a poll were made through prediction markets (in which betting was involved) then the information would likely be a better predictor regarding what might happen.
I also did participate in the poll though, but having in mind that I am just my own predictions and perception as regards to which country is next to make Bitcoin and legal tender. Several factors influence my decision to choose which country I think will be the next Bitcoin country and such factors are not limited to the political will of the leader and the Bitcoin-friendly approach. E.g taking a tech approach towards innovative involvement and creating an enabling environment for their citizens to thrive upon in the young growing cryptocurrency industry. On that list, the only country I see is linen on cryptocurrency is United 🇺🇸 States and that is why El Salvador from that region has adopted Bitcoin as legal tender. Bitcoin mainstream adoption is going to begin in the United 🇺🇸 states in any way that is just my thoughts.
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Right now I am collecting everything I can to go to El Salvador, I want to go myself to find out and see everything that is related to Bitcoin in that beautiful country, and I want to know the city of Bitcoin, I would like to see even from afar the President Bukele, just as the president sees himself here in Ecuador, for me a country that is friendly to Bitcoin is an index that they are very cool people, I also want to be part of that history because El Salvador is an example to the world.
A nice plan you have and a good way to see the world mate,  I personally have never been to El Salvador and up until now, I've not had any plan of traveling there,  but my instinct tells me the experience will be worth the stress and expense.
El Salvador have made the path clear for other countries to follow,  and like we all already know,  the central African Republic have traveled that same path,  hopefully, alot more countries are coming next year being 2023,  fingers crossed for the next country that will make bitcoin legal tender.

Cast your votes on coinmarketcap... https://coinmarketcap.com/legal-tender-countries/
Thanks for the linked share and i wasnt aware that CMC does have this kind of poll or some sort of voting.We could really see that there are already lots of countries or places which does have this kind of consideration on making Bitcoin as a legal tender.

Its really that impressive that El Salvador do able to held up on these price market swings which lots had been telling about on the bad decisions that they do make but they arent making themselves
to be that heavily affected but instead they do accumulate even more.

They are really showing about their goals and trust towards bitcoin despite of market conditions and volatility.

Regarding the poll, I did appreciate the link that Fivestar4everMVP had provided - even though it is difficult to have very much confidence in such a poll - but if such a poll were made through prediction markets (in which betting was involved) then the information would likely be a better predictor regarding what might happen..
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