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Topic: El Salvador has become the first country to make #Bitcoin legal tender! 🇸🇻 - page 120. (Read 37107 times)

legendary
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@JayJuanGee. I am not quite certain why my reply caused you to get triggered. I was only speculating on what might occur based on how strike.me functions and how it might be deployed and used in El Salvador.

My reaction is not triggered.  If you seem to be making pie in the sky speculation and also seem to be coming to quite strange and stretched conclusions that might even be lacking in factual or logical basis in a public thread, then it is likely good to attempt to address the extent to which your speculation might be grounded in reality or not or if the logic seems to be strong or not.

What was the pie in the sky speculation? It was based on how the strike.me application works. If El Salvadorians in America want to send dollars back to El Salvador through strike.me, strike.me converts the dollars into bitcoin then converts it into USDT to send to the receiver.

It is not pie in the sky. It is how strike.me works.

You seem to be changing the topic.

Largely you were saying that if El Salvador goes forward with this bitcoin as legal tender matter, the powers that be in the financial system (such as the USA Govt, IMF and perhaps some other status quo traditional banking stakeholders) were going to be motivated to take out the leader Bukele, and therefore you were suggesting that Bukele should be toning down his pushing forward of the bitcoin legal tender law because he was going to be made an example out of to cause pain end suffering in order that other countries do not model after him.   

In other words, I was describing your views about the political ramifications of this to be "pie in the sky."  So far, we have not been discussing how strike.me works or other ways that bitcoin is likely to be expanded into El Salvador.. so I am not sure why you are wanting to suggest that we had any kind of dispute about that when I was largely just characterizing your speculations about various political reactions as being quite detached from what is either more likely going to happen or even that your going on and on about such seemingly nonsense seems to be distracting at best rather than attempting to grapple with real likely matters that are going to be happening.

At least if you are trying to talk about how strike.me might work or how it might be used or how much it might be used, that seems to be a much more relevant topic and even potentially helpful - to consider how easily/difficult adoption might happen or if there might be some disincentives or problems in terms of strike.me being able to continue to function/serve in its current way of doing so.

Also, there were some comments in social media that were saying strike.me might remove tether and USDT for usage in El Salvador and strike.me will send the dollars straight to users’ bank accounts through banking partnerships. This might also be a problem because 70% of the population is unbanked. There was also no roadmap from strike.me on how to implement this.

I had heard some similar things about strike.me moving over to have less dependencies on USDT in comparison to what they had originally thought and also that strike.me was in the process of attempting to create relations with banks and other exchange services that are already existing in El Salvador that would help from moving away from so much reliance on USDT as they had earlier anticipated would be the case, and even Jack Maller talked about this on his interview with Peter McCormick on the Podcast  "What Bitcoin Did" a few days ago.

Furthermore, I hardly understand why you are wanting to suggest that attempts to expand strike.me services is going to result in doom and gloom.  Yes, a large number of unbanked is an issue that is attempting to be addressed so that those people can use the various strike.me services and would not automatically signify that they even have to get a bank account, as you seem to be presuming without any evidence and largely a seeming motive to turn any news to negative news, even if what you are saying makes damned close to zero sense... but that close to zero sense is not going to stop you from spewing it out, is it?   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

It's true? Right now I can buy products with my Ownr crypto card at any mart in El Salvador?

Do I want you to tell us more Katie?  Do you know anything?

Are you living in El Salvador? 

Probably I erroneously sent you an smerit too soon because I thought that you might have actually known something..., Whoops.

Does anyone know anything on the ground in terms of services that are using bitcoin in various ways, such as on bitcoin beach or expansion into other parts of the country?  I imagine that some of those matters will be going active before September and surely there is going to be a process of rolling out capabilities.. as DooMAD's above post seems to suggest.
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It's true? Right now I can buy products with my Ownr crypto card at any mart in El Salvador?

It doesn't come into effect right away.  BTC officially becomes legal tender 90 days from the date the bill passed, so there's still a while to wait yet.  A very small number of places may accept it already, though.
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El Salvador want to escape from the control, and choose the encryption currency, it is a good thing for the country, and also for the same other country opened the pioneer of fate, if el Salvador after use COINS to pay for the country's fiscal, financial pratt &whitney, investment, tourism and other fields has a positive meaning (this may take years), Then more countries with the same fate as El Salvador will enact corresponding Bitcoin laws, which is a milestone for the application of Bitcoin.
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This news will surely make a huge impact on bitcoin's reputation as well as its value. We know how it works for crypto and influencing a nation can also mean you will soon influence the whole world. If ever this works out well for El Salvador and if ever their economy rise higher due to this decision, we should expect that lots of other countries will soon follow its footsteps. There are a lot of countries that has bad speculation over bitcoin but it is a good thing that some countries are open for the possibilities of gaining help from crypto. Let us hope it works out for El Salvador for it will mean much more success for bitcoin in the future.
I saw nothing had changed in prices as Bitcoin never pumps after such an announcement. That of course it gives some replica to the other countries which is still now they are doubts about Bitcoin's capabilities. This gonna be a turning head for those who ban Bitcoins and also for those who keep ignoring this. Now that they see it started to be legalized in some parts of the globe and a way to lead others to do the same. Well, it is a process and it was slow.
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@JayJuanGee. I am not quite certain why my reply caused you to get triggered. I was only speculating on what might occur based on how strike.me functions and how it might be deployed and used in El Salvador.

My reaction is not triggered.  If you seem to be making pie in the sky speculation and also seem to be coming to quite strange and stretched conclusions that might even be lacking in factual or logical basis in a public thread, then it is likely good to attempt to address the extent to which your speculation might be grounded in reality or not or if the logic seems to be strong or not.

What was the pie in the sky speculation? It was based on how the strike.me application works. If El Salvadorians in America want to send dollars back to El Salvador through strike.me, strike.me converts the dollars into bitcoin then converts it into USDT to send to the receiver.

It is not pie in the sky. It is how strike.me works.

Also, there were some comments in social media that were saying strike.me might remove tether and USDT for usage in El Salvador and strike.me will send the dollars straight to users’ bank accounts through banking partnerships. This might also be a problem because 70% of the population is unbanked. There was also no roadmap from strike.me on how to implement this.
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This news will surely make a huge impact on bitcoin's reputation as well as its value. We know how it works for crypto and influencing a nation can also mean you will soon influence the whole world. If ever this works out well for El Salvador and if ever their economy rise higher due to this decision, we should expect that lots of other countries will soon follow its footsteps. There are a lot of countries that has bad speculation over bitcoin but it is a good thing that some countries are open for the possibilities of gaining help from crypto. Let us hope it works out for El Salvador for it will mean much more success for bitcoin in the future.
legendary
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Because of this national behavior of El Salvador, Bitcoin will form a good news, which may support Bitcoin to rise temporarily.
But don't forget that China and the United States and other big countries have all started to sell Bitcoin, and the development environment of Bitcoin is not optimistic.

Lots of no name newbie accounts spreading (repeating) various forms of nonsense in recent times.   Use the FUD dice, or some other method to spread quasi-incoherence?

At least there is some kind of a budget to support such thread cluttering sockpuppet foney baloney, no?
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El Salvador citizenship prices will skyrocket!

The best and the fastest way to get a citizenship is having a El Salvadoran girl friend.

and I didn't know that El Salvador had such beauties. Look at those!



Solid stuff indeed




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El Salvador Wives Characteristics

They are intelligent
Education plays an important role in the life of any Salvadorian woman. Despite the traditional patriarchal structure of the local families where men are hunters and women stay at home and take care of hearth, Elsalvador girls long to get a good education and learn at least one foreign language. They try to follow the latest trends in culture and social life to be considered good interlocutors who can support any topic. A woman from El Salvador is one you will be proud of while appearing with her in the company of your friends or colleagues.

They are vibrant
You can be 100% sure your Salvadorian woman speaks her mind. These girls don’t know how to hide their emotions and always wear their heart on the sleeve. Sometimes El Salvador women can be considered too loud and bothering. They talk and even scream a lot. But it is just their passionate nature that cannot be expressed in any other way.

They are frivolous
Hot Salvadorans are all about an easy attitude towards life, the ability to get out of a difficult situation with minimal losses, and just incredible non-punctuality. The phrase “it is not worth doing today what can be postponed for tomorrow” can be the motto of the majority of El Salvador women. Get ready to wait extra 30 minutes while waiting for her on your first date.

They value their traditions a lot
Despite the overwhelmingly low standard of living and poverty this small country has repeatedly experienced, El Salvador girls are proud of their past and traditions. They rabidly follow all the rites and celebrate holidays together with their numerous relatives and family friends. If you want to conquer the heart of any Salvadoran woman, you should be excellently aware of the history and culture of El Salvador.

They are very friendly
El Salvador women are surprisingly friendly. If you have lost your way, they will be more than happy to help you, host you, treat you with various delicacies, invite you to visit their place again, and finally hug you goodbye. These girls like to write long romantic messages accompanied by long wishes of all the very best to you and the whole family of yours. All this is spiced up with “strong hugs” and “friendly kisses”.

Daym!!
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Although El Salvador is a small country in Central and South America, it has a population of 6.5 million. These 6.5 million people will be potential users of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is definitely more beneficial than exploitable.
Though the population of El Salvador might be small as you rightly said however there might be few individuals in that country that might be very rich and whose investment in Bitcoin might trigger price change coupled with other fellow country people, in a nut shell the numbers of users of bitcoin will continue to grow if the unbanked populace also utilized saving or storing their bitcoin in their respective wallets for easier P2P transaction and more so there is the tendency of other south American countries adopting bitcoin after El Salvador.
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The price of bitcoin could have a great impact taking into account the success of the implementation of the Bitcoin Law in El Salvador and by the time that happens it would have to spend at least a year and compare the economic indicators and the satisfaction of the population. Poverty does not diminish overnight, it takes time.

The country of El Salvador is attracting investors with the bitcoin resource. I see it as a pilot test that allows us to see how bitcoin can alleviate the economic crisis. It would also help if the region of Latin America follows in the footsteps of El Salvador. But the answer to everything is time and results.
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Maybe it's time for Musk to start tweeting to celebrate again!
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The day when Bitcoin first became legal tender may become a day in history like the Pizza Festival many years later. The first to eat crabs, either eats the plump crab roe, or gets caught in the mouth.
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it's very good that there are countries that adopt bitcoin. this is a very important process. like this, what will be done by countries in asia, such as iran for example. that's why some countries have started to legalize bitcoin, this is a sign that the digital currency can serve as a legal tender. And also a long-term investment.
It's good but the problem is that they are a small country and I don't think that they will have a really big impact to bitcoin just because they made it a legal tender, it's legal tender and not currency.
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it's very good that there are countries that adopt bitcoin. this is a very important process. like this, what will be done by countries in asia, such as iran for example. that's why some countries have started to legalize bitcoin, this is a sign that the digital currency can serve as a legal tender. And also a long-term investment.
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His country will be rich.
Whom?  Grin Grin Grin

but wait, just because they accept bitcoin as legal tender they will be richer? on what way and how long?


As an old leek, I am very grateful to El Salvador for his wise decision. Pull back the Bitcoin that has almost fallen into shit from the edge of the cliff.
wrong , it is their country that almost into edge of cliff and not bitcoin.

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2) have you heard of lightning network or strike?  So far the fees have tended to be quite low on lightning network (and strike too, from what I understand - nearly free), but surely if the the quantity of usage exists longer in El Salvador and become more widely spread in terms of people transacting in bitcoin in El Salvador, probably the fees on lightning/strike will adjust to those new circumstances.. competition will likely come in to El Salvador, too.. in terms of other ways to use lightning network or maybe other second layer or even first layer transactions.


So far offchain networks like LN have been an epic fail for adoption,
the reason being it is far cheaper to use an exchange that does offchain transactions between their users at zero costs without the tech headaches of the never ending beta code.

From what I understand El Salvador, is trying to get a 1.3 billion dollar loan from IMF.
Most likely, their leader is trying to use bitcoin as legal tender as leverage to make sure they get the loan,
and as a condition of getting the loan , expect a ban on bitcoin from normal commerce to follow shortly after.
He cares little for bitcoin , it is nothing more than short term leverage to get the 1.3 billion dollar loan he wants.
Politicians work like that.  Wink

We will see then.

I will brace myself in case disappointment ends up playing out in terms of either 1) the ease of use of the lightning network as a payment mechanism does not work as well as it has been touted or 2) in terms of Bukele having an agenda that might not be compatible with following through with bitcoin adoption (i.e. the legal tender adoption matter that is supposed to go into effect in early September).
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2) have you heard of lightning network or strike?  So far the fees have tended to be quite low on lightning network (and strike too, from what I understand - nearly free), but surely if the the quantity of usage exists longer in El Salvador and become more widely spread in terms of people transacting in bitcoin in El Salvador, probably the fees on lightning/strike will adjust to those new circumstances.. competition will likely come in to El Salvador, too.. in terms of other ways to use lightning network or maybe other second layer or even first layer transactions.


So far offchain networks like LN have been an epic fail for adoption,
the reason being it is far cheaper to use an exchange that does offchain transactions between their users at zero costs without the tech headaches of the never ending beta code.

From what I understand El Salvador, is trying to get a 1.3 billion dollar loan from IMF.
Most likely, their leader is trying to use bitcoin as legal tender as leverage to make sure they get the loan,
and as a condition of getting the loan , expect a ban on bitcoin from normal commerce to follow shortly after.
He cares little for bitcoin , it is nothing more than short term leverage to get the 1.3 billion dollar loan he wants.
Politicians work like that.  Wink


 
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Hmm,
Don't count your bitcoin havens before they hatch.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-06-16/bitcoin-is-now-legal-tender-in-el-salvador-is-that-really-a-good-thing

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Bitcoinization won’t be a cure for the one in four Salvadorans who make less than $5.50 a day.
Dollar remittances will likely continue to dwarf Bitcoin equivalents for a long time.

https://www.coindesk.com/hankebitcoin-el-salvador
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Hanke has previously tweeted that bitcoin would not bring down the cost of remittances,
as it costs 8% to cash out bitcoin at an ATM, compared with the 0%-4% charged by Western Union or MoneyGram.

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Hanke argued that the "dollarization" of the country's economy – El Salvador uses the U.S. dollar as its currency – could lead to bitcoin holders elsewhere, including in Russia, China or Iran, "sucking up all the dollars in El Salvador like a vacuum cleaner."

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The counterargument is that El Salvadorans could spend bitcoin directly without needing to convert it into dollars.

https://ycharts.com/indicators/bitcoin_average_transaction_fee
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Bitcoin Average Transaction Fee
5.090 USD/tx for Jun 17 2021

Hmm, Nope
BTC average transaction fee is almost = to an entire day pay of 1 in 4 Salvadorans.
 Tongue

1) I would imagine that having options is not going to be a bad thing, so you can characterize the bitcoin option as oppressively as you like, but you likely do need to consider the matter with some comparisons, and if it is cheaper to transact through western union or whatever other option, then they can use that western union option (especially if it is the cheapest and easiest to use), but of course, western union is going to raise their prices based on the competition, right?  or move out of El Salvador, right?

2) have you heard of lightning network or strike?  So far the fees have tended to be quite low on lightning network (and strike too, from what I understand - nearly free), but surely if the the quantity of usage exists longer in El Salvador and become more widely spread in terms of people transacting in bitcoin in El Salvador, probably the fees on lightning/strike will adjust to those new circumstances.. competition will likely come in to El Salvador, too.. in terms of other ways to use lightning network or maybe other second layer or even first layer transactions.
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Hmm,
Don't count your bitcoin havens before they hatch.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-06-16/bitcoin-is-now-legal-tender-in-el-salvador-is-that-really-a-good-thing

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Bitcoinization won’t be a cure for the one in four Salvadorans who make less than $5.50 a day.
Dollar remittances will likely continue to dwarf Bitcoin equivalents for a long time.

https://www.coindesk.com/hankebitcoin-el-salvador
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Hanke has previously tweeted that bitcoin would not bring down the cost of remittances,
as it costs 8% to cash out bitcoin at an ATM, compared with the 0%-4% charged by Western Union or MoneyGram.

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Hanke argued that the "dollarization" of the country's economy – El Salvador uses the U.S. dollar as its currency – could lead to bitcoin holders elsewhere, including in Russia, China or Iran, "sucking up all the dollars in El Salvador like a vacuum cleaner."

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The counterargument is that El Salvadorans could spend bitcoin directly without needing to convert it into dollars.

https://ycharts.com/indicators/bitcoin_average_transaction_fee
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Bitcoin Average Transaction Fee
5.090 USD/tx for Jun 17 2021

Hmm, Nope
BTC average transaction fee is almost = to an entire day pay of 1 in 4 Salvadorans.
 Tongue
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https://www.livemint.com/market/cryptocurrency/world-bank-rejects-el-salvador-request-for-help-in-adopting-bitcoin-11623977988052.html

World Bank rejects El Salvador's request for help in adopting bitcoin. The point to be noted here is it rejected because of "environmental and transparency shortcomings".

Does World Bank take its suggestions on Twitter..? I also have a doubt like whether they really want to do it or just replied with the most dumb thing..?
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