@fruktik Do you know what bitcoin is? How come you chose not to use the word bitcoin in your post? I wonder if you know what it is, or maybe you are engaging in some kind of an effort to convolute the ideas of crypto and blockchain, whatever the fuck that is? Do you think that the concepts of crypto and/or blockchain have much meaning apart from couching the ideas with bitcoin parameters? El Salvador did not make crypto or blockchain legal tender. This here thread is about bitcoin. Sure there are a lot of projects that are related to bitcoin, and perhaps several of them that do not really engage in any efforts to create their own token or to mislead, confuse, or deceive people in regards to the role of bitcoin.
What is Bitcoin? It is a payment system that uses the coin of the same name to conduct transactions. I would also like to emphasize that it is a decentralized (i.e. there is no single data center) and peer-to-peer network (all participants are equal).
Why didn't I use the word Bitcoin in my post? It's simple. I also don't rule out the possibility that El Salvador will accept other cryptocurrencies as legal means of payment. In our time, it's worth considering all possible scenarios that are understandable. You can't be a limited person. It's like chess. There are many possible moves. And so it is here. That's why I wrote "derivatives" instead of "Bitcoin". And yes, I know what Bitcoin is and have been watching it since its price was just a few dollars.
Fair enough that you want to describe some various ways that you actually know bitcoin, yet I still doubt that your explanation excuses you from failing/refusing to use the word bitcoin in your first responsive post. I also doubt that it helps your position to proclaim that El Salvador is going to accept shitcoins in the future, since they likely already have pretty relaxed abilities for people to transact in shitcoins there... but their law ONLY made bitcoin legal tender up until now, and so their law and their various focuses has so far been on bitcoin - even though I am not going to proclaim to know about how the so many various ways that shitcoins end up finding their ways of getting into the space - that's what affinity scams do. And, sure there can be some valuable tech or social/economic/marketing matters that can end up transferring into bitcoin or even having some of the shitcoins as second layers on bitcoin in the future... so I am not totally opposed to ideas that shitcoins likely have value, but in this thread we are talking about bitcoin, so it seems a bit of a slippery slope to either be going to far down the shitcoin path or your problem of failing/refusing to specify what you were talking about in your first responsive post.
Yes, you are right. I have not been on the forum for very long, but I have been following Bitcoin for many years. I did not write anything on the forum because I was terrified of communicating on such platforms. With great difficulty, I had to convince myself that there was nothing to be afraid of. So I started communicating here. To say that it is difficult for me is to say nothing. I have no predisposition for such an activity.
Well, I am glad that you ended up overcoming your fear. I know that when I first started, I tried to limit my number of posts, so maybe I would try not to do more than 30 posts in a week, and probably even fewer than that, but little by little, I started getting more and more used to interacting with the ways that bitcoin was being discussed... and surely my first posts were mostly on the WO thread.. probably my first few years were almost exclusively on the WO thread (or at least an overwhelming majority of my forum posts).
Why didn't I invest in Bitcoin much earlier? I had quite large debts to banks that I had to pay back. I had no time for investments. Now the situation has improved a bit and I have started to reconsider my financial strategy. And how can I invest $100 a week when my salary is about $350 a month?
Well, you might struggle to invest more than $10 per week if you have such a salary, and yeah, so I used $100 per week as an example, and of course, if your salary is much lower, then you have to work within your own limitations, and surely you cannot (or should not) be investing in bitcoin at all with money that you will need in the next 4-10 years, so surely you will have to figure out what you are able to do to increase your income and/or decrease your expenses or to just work with what you have.
I did not know whether you had started to invest into bitcoin or not, so I was just attempting describe where you would be at if you had been investing in bitcoin, focusing on bitcoin and attempting to learn about bitcoin, and surely there is a certain value in learning about bitcoin while you are still investing into it. I suppose that if you are feeling that you are in a better financial position now as compared with earlier, then sure hopefully you are able to figure out ways to fit investing into bitcoin into your mix of priorities, but yeah, it becomes more difficult when income is relatively low and there may be some desires to figure out ways to increase the income.
This is under good working conditions and the maximum for today. It's barely enough for food, and you're writing about such amounts of money. I can't even buy shoes. The situation in my country is only getting worse every year. The level of inflation risks is increasing. Money is depreciating faster than my income is indexed.
If you don't have discretionary income, then I would not advise investing into bitcoin, so I am not really sure what can be done except trying to figure out ways to increase your income, if you might be in a position to be able to figure that out. Bitcoin is not good for investment for people who have less than a 4-10 year or longer investment time horizon.
Believe me, I can distinguish Bitcoin as the first coin from shitcoins, which were created much later, taking the idea from Satoshi Nakamoto's development.
That is good. I can imagine it would be frustrating to see a good idea, such as bitcoin, yet not have enough money to invest into it. I think that people will still be advantaged by bitcoin, but it would be even better if there are ways to invest into it, too... yet I cannot really figure out how you can increase your discretionary income.. it can sometimes take years to increase discretionary income.
I know that when I was in college, I had a lot of challenges without having an income and difficulties to figure out ways to save, and so there can be some luck and fortune to be able to get a good paying job later down the road, yet I had some periods in which I was not able to invest very much, either. I am not sure what to say for people who might not be able to increase their salaries in the future. By the way, when I first left home when I was 17, I thought that I was not going to go to college, and so I had several fairly low paying jobs before I decided that I needed to go to college in order to improve my quality of life, and in those years I was never really very excited about trying to get rich or anything like that, but I always tried to save/invest at least 10% of my income, even during times that I was not making very much money...so surely in several ways I ended up getting lucky in a lot of ways for finances to end up working out and even getting much better after I had been in bitcoin for several years (even though my first few years in bitcoin were not profitable).
And at this point in time, I am looking at this potential scenario with the price of Bitcoin:
Sure anything is possible with BTC price movements, but I have my doubts about seeing prices below $60k ever again (and your chart shows a dip below $50k from now until late 2026).. but sure anything is possible, and it is also possible that BTC price never go below $80k ever again. So I am not going to proclaim to know anything about where the BTC price might go, except that it seems way more likely to go up rather than down, and if there is any down it might not even get into the mid $70ks, at least not in the near future, even though you drew a nice chart about what you expect, it does not mean that our odds are very high to satisfy anything close to your suggestion of down before up.
If you think about the four year pattern in bitcoin 2025 is more likely to be an up year rather than a down year, and you can also look at the 200-WMA which is considered to be a bottom price and it continues to go up (
right now at nearly $41k and going up about $36 per day), and I have my doubts that BTC spot prices are going to come within 25% of the 200-WMA within the next 12-ish months... but sure, anything can happen.. . and so many folks are way more lacking in preparation for up as compared to their being no coiners and low coiners, and we have very little world-wide adoption, so a lot of the no coiners and low coiners are going to end up having to buy BTC higher rather than lower as the BTC price continues to go up they are going to get way fewer BTC for their dollars (or fiat).
So part of the dilemma for people with low income and/or lacking in discretionary income, the ones who have discretionary income are going to be getting more bitcoin quicker, and we have another problem of some rich folks, institutions and governments starting to suck up bitcoin faster than normies are going to be able to get bitcoin, and yes, it is too bad, but that is the world that we live in, and there is some advantage in trying to figure out how to get bitcoin while you can rather than fantasizing about BTC prices going down, which those are not even liikely scenarios under current macro circumstances.
Of course, people in El Salvador have a similar problem as you and there likely are quite a few El Salvadorians who have very low incomes so they struggle to figure out how to increase their discretionary income so that they can buy bitcoin, and surely their atmosphere is conducive to interacting in bitcoin, and so there might be some increases in various kinds of jobs that might be available to El Salvadorians who are ready, willing and able to spend time on bitcoin.