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DPoS2

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Quote from: freebit13 on June 15, 2014, 07:59:19 AM

Quote from: mdude77 on June 15, 2014, 04:45:50 AM

This begs the question... with all those factors in mind, wouldn't you notice if you weren't getting any blocks?

M

Quote from: parle111 on June 15, 2014, 06:46:06 AM

They knew exactly what they were doing. It was no "accident". The accident is they got caught. Anyone who has the dough to setup hundreds of TH/S, wants to get the maximum reward they can, anyway they can. They don't care about fairness or legality.

I totally agree that it doesn't looks like it was unintentional, I also doubt that it was. I was also trying to point out that even if it was unintentional, that it's no excuse. If you are running your own fork of cgminer on your own hardware then you must deal with the consequences if your software/hardware combination doesn't work and actually ends up causing harm to the other pool users. They should actually return all of the bitcoin mined with their faulty hardware as it's been proved to not work correctly and was (intentionally or not) stealing from the other pool users.

When i pointed out the smoke months ago on btcguild (since it was happening there as well) I got all sorts of hate mail attacks... and just last week I got majorly hacked

fuck this den of thieves and sheep of fools

proclivity

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For months I've been looking at the hash rate graph oscillate, wondering why the would be a spike as we got toward the end of a difficulty tier followed by a drop in hash rate. I thought.. Well maybe people are over clocking to take advantage of the shorter time between blocks, then de-tuning shortly before the change.

Would be interesting to see if the blocks that these guys did submit correlate with the spikes.

freebit13

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I got Satoshi's avatar!

Quote from: mdude77 on June 15, 2014, 04:45:50 AM

This begs the question... with all those factors in mind, wouldn't you notice if you weren't getting any blocks?

M

Quote from: parle111 on June 15, 2014, 06:46:06 AM

They knew exactly what they were doing. It was no "accident". The accident is they got caught. Anyone who has the dough to setup hundreds of TH/S, wants to get the maximum reward they can, anyway they can. They don't care about fairness or legality.

I totally agree that it doesn't looks like it was unintentional, I also doubt that it was. I was also trying to point out that even if it was unintentional, that it's no excuse. If you are running your own fork of cgminer on your own hardware then you must deal with the consequences if your software/hardware combination doesn't work and actually ends up causing harm to the other pool users. They should actually return all of the bitcoin mined with their faulty hardware as it's been proved to not work correctly and was (intentionally or not) stealing from the other pool users.

start the art

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Bitcoin OG artworks collection

Hi

I've organized a mini-project aimed at selling some of my paintings via community-purchases and already
added Eligius as one of possible painting recipients. Click on link below for more info.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/community-purchased-paintings-650899

Thanks for participating!

z.k.

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Quote from: freebit13 on June 15, 2014, 04:00:20 AM

I hope this whole "block withholding" incident has educated a few people on the nature of developing custom software and hardware for an open-source protocol and network which involves earning real value... you have to take full responsibility for your own f#@kups! It is not Eligius's responsibility (or anyone else's) to make sure your hardware is functioning properly and inform you about it and pay you out for work that was incorrectly submitted... it's up to you to make sure it all works properly, especially if you're running 100's of TH/s.

What I don't get though is: if you have so much hashpower, why wouldn't you be solo-mining?

Also, is it not possible to mine on the test network first, before messing with the rest of the 'real' network.

They knew exactly what they were doing. It was no "accident". The accident is they got caught. Anyone who has the dough to setup hundreds of TH/S, wants to get the maximum reward they can, anyway they can. They don't care about fairness or legality.

mdude77

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Quote from: freebit13 on June 15, 2014, 04:00:20 AM

I hope this whole "block withholding" incident has educated a few people on the nature of developing custom software and hardware for an open-source protocol and network which involves earning real value... you have to take full responsibility for your own f#@kups! It is not Eligius's responsibility (or anyone else's) to make sure your hardware is functioning properly and inform you about it and pay you out for work that was incorrectly submitted... it's up to you to make sure it all works properly, especially if you're running 100's of TH/s.

What I don't get though is: if you have so much hashpower, why wouldn't you be solo-mining?

Also, is it not possible to mine on the test network first, before messing with the rest of the 'real' network.

This begs the question... with all those factors in mind, wouldn't you notice if you weren't getting any blocks?

M

freebit13

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I hope this whole "block withholding" incident has educated a few people on the nature of developing custom software and hardware for an open-source protocol and network which involves earning real value... you have to take full responsibility for your own f#@kups! It is not Eligius's responsibility (or anyone else's) to make sure your hardware is functioning properly and inform you about it and pay you out for work that was incorrectly submitted... it's up to you to make sure it all works properly, especially if you're running 100's of TH/s.

What I don't get though is: if you have so much hashpower, why wouldn't you be solo-mining?

Also, is it not possible to mine on the test network first, before messing with the rest of the 'real' network.

Luke-Jr

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Quote from: dolby on June 14, 2014, 08:29:51 PM

I already did it and now....i wonder if can still do something.
I never received my first pay, can anyone help me in this situation?

The address did, so you will have to deal with whoever controls it.

dolby

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I already did it and now....i wonder if can still do something.
I never received my first pay, can anyone help me in this situation?

thx

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Orjinal üyelik ToRiKaN banlanalı asır ol

Quote from: xstr8guy on June 14, 2014, 08:16:18 PM

Quote from: dolby on June 14, 2014, 07:18:01 PM

Can i use exchange btc address? (bistamp)

thx

I don't think that's recommended. Mine to your own local wallet.

Yeah, payouts are done through generation so your BTC is never stored in the pool unless something goes wrong and it's in failsafe. As a result, you need to use a real wallet address as most exchanges aren't setup to properly handle these transactions.

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Quote from: dolby on June 14, 2014, 07:18:01 PM

Can i use exchange btc address? (bistamp)

thx

I don't think that's recommended. Mine to your own local wallet.

mdude77

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Quote from: crashoveride54902 on June 14, 2014, 05:14:00 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Some nice rounds we're having

ya boosted our last 10 block luck upto 91.12% Cheesy

was at 43% or so

30 day luck is still 100.9%.

10 block is at 185% now.

M

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Can i use exchange btc address? (bistamp)

thx

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Quote from: PlanetCrypto on June 14, 2014, 06:14:05 PM

Quote from: equipoise on June 14, 2014, 03:37:49 PM

Quote from: greenlion on June 14, 2014, 02:14:31 PM

Quote from: jcumins on June 14, 2014, 01:21:44 PM

I could not agree more.

Karma will get you sooner or later. Grin

The website screenshots suggest an interesting possibility.

In china, it's illegal to price goods and services in bitcoin as a unit of account.

It was not illegal back then. It's illegal now.

Our last Bitmain order was on 2-June-2014, so that's changed in the last 12 days?

I am not sure, but if memory serves me correctly I think Bitmain used to only price their products in BTC, but now the primary price is USD, with BTC in parentheses:
AntMiner S2 1TH/s Miner Batch 4
Price: 2226 USD ( 3.932 BTC )
May this be why?

PlanetCrypto

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Quote from: equipoise on June 14, 2014, 03:37:49 PM

Quote from: greenlion on June 14, 2014, 02:14:31 PM

Quote from: jcumins on June 14, 2014, 01:21:44 PM

I could not agree more.

Karma will get you sooner or later. Grin

The website screenshots suggest an interesting possibility.

In china, it's illegal to price goods and services in bitcoin as a unit of account.

It was not illegal back then. It's illegal now.

Our last Bitmain order was on 2-June-2014, so that's changed in the last 12 days?

crashoveride54902

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Dream become broken often

Quote from: ?? on ??

Some nice rounds we're having

ya boosted our last 10 block luck upto 91.12% Cheesy

was at 43% or so

equipoise

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Monero (XMR) - secure, private, untraceable

Quote from: greenlion on June 14, 2014, 02:14:31 PM

Quote from: jcumins on June 14, 2014, 01:21:44 PM

I could not agree more.

Karma will get you sooner or later. Grin

The website screenshots suggest an interesting possibility.

In china, it's illegal to price goods and services in bitcoin as a unit of account.

It was not illegal back then. It's illegal now.

PlanetCrypto

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Quote from: greenlion on June 14, 2014, 02:14:31 PM

Quote from: jcumins on June 14, 2014, 01:21:44 PM

I could not agree more.

Karma will get you sooner or later. Grin

The website screenshots suggest an interesting possibility.

In china, it's illegal to price goods and services in bitcoin as a unit of account.

If that's true then nobody pays attention to it.
As I have ordered S1's directly from Bitmain off their website and paid in BTC.
And Avalons site lists product for sale denominated in BTC:
https://ehash.com/shop/

greenlion

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Quote from: jcumins on June 14, 2014, 01:21:44 PM

I could not agree more.

Karma will get you sooner or later. Grin

The website screenshots suggest an interesting possibility.

In china, it's illegal to price goods and services in bitcoin as a unit of account.

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I could not agree more.

Karma will get you sooner or later. Grin

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