Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB - page 158.

Hektur

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Quote from: Brucexie on June 13, 2014, 02:05:55 PM

Quote from: RealMalatesta on June 13, 2014, 02:02:13 PM

Quote from: Brucexie on June 13, 2014, 01:48:08 PM

Quote from: Tigggger on June 13, 2014, 12:37:54 PM

So if I understand this story correctly, you weren't witholding blocks deliberately you had faulty hardware.

BTCGuild (eleuthria) informed you of this after he noticed what was happening and your hardware was then fixed to work properly

The btc that eligius is witholding is from the period before btcguild when your hardware was faulty.

If this is the case I think he's correct, your hardware would never have solved a block and therefore isn't eligble for pooled rewards.

I have solved my issue at the beginning of the May, then we move to eligius for test, After we see block found by them, we move back to BTCguild.
You can see my block which was mined after May 1st on their list.
Is it clear?

Okay, so maybe a very stupid question. I am a small miner with some few TH/s. My miners are controlled through my desktop PC. There I have my wallet, and from my wallet, I transfer the BTC to a more secure offline wallet.

Does it work similar when you have a 100+ TH/s operation? How does the setting look like?

We do nearly the same thing.
But does this have anything related with this unpaid issue?

This person just asked a question. Not everything on this thread has to do with you.

Brucexie

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on June 13, 2014, 02:02:13 PM

Quote from: Brucexie on June 13, 2014, 01:48:08 PM

Quote from: Tigggger on June 13, 2014, 12:37:54 PM

So if I understand this story correctly, you weren't witholding blocks deliberately you had faulty hardware.

BTCGuild (eleuthria) informed you of this after he noticed what was happening and your hardware was then fixed to work properly

The btc that eligius is witholding is from the period before btcguild when your hardware was faulty.

If this is the case I think he's correct, your hardware would never have solved a block and therefore isn't eligble for pooled rewards.

I have solved my issue at the beginning of the May, then we move to eligius for test, After we see block found by them, we move back to BTCguild.
You can see my block which was mined after May 1st on their list.
Is it clear?

Okay, so maybe a very stupid question. I am a small miner with some few TH/s. My miners are controlled through my desktop PC. There I have my wallet, and from my wallet, I transfer the BTC to a more secure offline wallet.

Does it work similar when you have a 100+ TH/s operation? How does the setting look like?

We do nearly the same thing.
But does this have anything related with this unpaid issue?

Tigggger

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Quote from: Brucexie on June 13, 2014, 01:48:08 PM

Quote from: Tigggger on June 13, 2014, 12:37:54 PM

So if I understand this story correctly, you weren't witholding blocks deliberately you had faulty hardware.

BTCGuild (eleuthria) informed you of this after he noticed what was happening and your hardware was then fixed to work properly

The btc that eligius is witholding is from the period before btcguild when your hardware was faulty.

If this is the case I think he's correct, your hardware would never have solved a block and therefore isn't eligble for pooled rewards.

I have solved my issue at the beginning of the May, then we move to eligius for test, After we see block found by them, we move back to BTCguild.
You can see my block which was mined after May 1st on their list.
Is it clear?

So you are saying that you only mined on eligius AFTER the hardware was fixed, and you were finding blocks and should be paid.

Eligius are saying that you mined with faulty hardware, weren't finding blocks, and therefore shouldn't be paid.

More detailed information would be needed to decide who is right, namely the dates, hashrate, shares and blocks found. GigaVPS has posted some numbers which seem to show that things aren't that bad statistically speaking.

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Quote from: Brucexie on June 13, 2014, 01:48:08 PM

Quote from: Tigggger on June 13, 2014, 12:37:54 PM

So if I understand this story correctly, you weren't witholding blocks deliberately you had faulty hardware.

BTCGuild (eleuthria) informed you of this after he noticed what was happening and your hardware was then fixed to work properly

The btc that eligius is witholding is from the period before btcguild when your hardware was faulty.

If this is the case I think he's correct, your hardware would never have solved a block and therefore isn't eligble for pooled rewards.

I have solved my issue at the beginning of the May, then we move to eligius for test, After we see block found by them, we move back to BTCguild.
You can see my block which was mined after May 1st on their list.
Is it clear?

Okay, so maybe a very stupid question. I am a small miner with some few TH/s. My miners are controlled through my desktop PC. There I have my wallet, and from my wallet, I transfer the BTC to a more secure offline wallet.

Does it work similar when you have a 100+ TH/s operation? How does the setting look like?

Brucexie

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Quote from: hardhouseinc on June 13, 2014, 01:55:33 PM

Oh so now you are on BTCGuild trying to hose us over too?
No wonder the luck over there is PURE CRAP lately....
I hope BTCGuild catches and somehow perma-bans you too.

Now all payment to these 2 addresses is strictly monitored under its admin, after that incident.
We just mailed to BTCGuild to confirm that our incoming is deserved.

Brucexie

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Quote from: Raize on June 13, 2014, 01:00:34 PM

Quote from: Brucexie on June 13, 2014, 06:19:42 AM

I am the owner of 17JkL94B2ngJg4QQZuiozDQjnxXB6B7yTc , 1Gu8zxRi8cyENV8CQe52D7QEsiZ7ruT73u.

Can you provide us with cryptographic proof of ownership?

No need, because whatever the end of this story is like, The speaking user "Brucexie" on bitcointalk cannot directly get even a cent from it.

17JkL94B2ngJg4QQZuiozDQjnxXB6B7yTc and 1Gu8zxRi8cyENV8CQe52D7QEsiZ7ruT73u will take all.

You can treat me as a volunteer if you don't believe.

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Oh so now you are on BTCGuild trying to hose us over too?
No wonder the luck over there is PURE CRAP lately....
I hope BTCGuild catches and somehow perma-bans you too.

Brucexie

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Quote from: Tigggger on June 13, 2014, 12:37:54 PM

So if I understand this story correctly, you weren't witholding blocks deliberately you had faulty hardware.

BTCGuild (eleuthria) informed you of this after he noticed what was happening and your hardware was then fixed to work properly

The btc that eligius is witholding is from the period before btcguild when your hardware was faulty.

If this is the case I think he's correct, your hardware would never have solved a block and therefore isn't eligble for pooled rewards.

I have solved my issue at the beginning of the May, then we move to eligius for test, After we see block found by them, we move back to BTCguild.
You can see my block which was mined after May 1st on their list.
Is it clear?

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Quote from: bitcoindaddy on June 13, 2014, 01:12:50 PM

I can think of no faster way to undermine faith in a pool than for them to threaten to withhold a miner's funds.

Each to his own, I suppose. I'd be much more wary of a pool owner that continued to give away our btc to what would seem to be a fraudulent miner.

bitcoindaddy

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I can think of no faster way to undermine faith in a pool than for them to threaten to withhold a miner's funds.

vancsj

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Quote from: GrapeApe on June 12, 2014, 09:49:55 PM

Nice catch first of all. I appreciate the due diligence.

I have what may be a stupid question(who knows).

You say there is no way the attacker can profit, but I was wondering by withholding are they possibly withholding shares of a certain difficulty range and mining at several pools with difficulty ranges for each to look like they are mining at each pool to get credit for their hash rate at each pool?

I don't even know if this is possible and I've been drinking a little, but it came to me while reading your post....

Anyway again nice catch.....

No they can't, the pool will check that:)

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Quote from: Brucexie on June 13, 2014, 06:19:42 AM

I am the owner of 17JkL94B2ngJg4QQZuiozDQjnxXB6B7yTc , 1Gu8zxRi8cyENV8CQe52D7QEsiZ7ruT73u.

Can you provide us with cryptographic proof of ownership?

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If he is guilty by math, can someone that has access to the data submit a proof? Even if we believe the data to be unmodified, I have yet to see an explanation as to how they know for sure they are guilty and not simply unlucky!
Then there's the other obvious question, why not just block them instead of allowing them to continue to mine and not pay them? But that is a separate issue and I don't want that to distract from the bigger problem of it not being explained how they know the perpetrator wasn't unlucky.

If someone did post the proof, then I apologize, I read every post slowly and was unable to find it. There are lots of discussion of the theory, but nothing like "they submitted X shares, and solved Y, at 1/3 what you would expect to be solved", or "we remined some of his shares, and he had been given solveable ones" , or "on date Z we can prove the pool sent his miners a solveable share and it didn't solve it".
So far this is looking up in the air to me.

Quote from: ratty on June 12, 2014, 11:16:45 PM

I'm just curious, how do you detect it, and know they aren't just unlucky in ever finding a block?

Quote from: s2 on June 13, 2014, 05:46:12 AM

Just curious, how can you be confident this was a hack? I mean what is the probability that they've just had bad luck and never got a winning answer but have genuinely been playing fairly?

Reason I ask is if it was bad luck you're inadvertently screwing over a genuine miner to subsidize others. (Although is surprising someone would leave that much BTC in an online account!)

I'm guessing you're very sure about this but would like to know how you're so sure.

Quote from: ninjaboon on June 13, 2014, 10:26:30 AM

and the luck is really bad now:
Round Luck: 37.4%

Quote from: jamesg on June 13, 2014, 09:10:29 AM

According to: http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/blocks.php

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Gu8zxRi8cyENV8CQe52D7QEsiZ7ruT73u

found two blocks and is owed 103 BTC.

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/17JkL94B2ngJg4QQZuiozDQjnxXB6B7yTc

found five blocks and is owed 122 BTC.

These stats do not seem out of the ordinary.

Maybe wizkid can enlighten us as to how he has deduced that these addresses below to the block withholder.

To be clear, I'm not on anyone's side here and have suffered a 50 BTC loss from eligius' bad luck. I'd just like to know all of the facts and how wizkid came to his conclusions.

We would like some answers please, instead all I see are pitchforks and speculation on how guilty people act psychologically.

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Quote from: capa on June 13, 2014, 11:44:50 AM

Quote from: Littleshop on June 13, 2014, 10:30:46 AM

Quote from: SilentH on June 13, 2014, 10:23:37 AM

Quote from: capa on June 13, 2014, 08:59:10 AM

I'd like to see the BTC 200 from Eligius and 300 from Blockwitholder put in escrow and a trusted 3rd party audit carried out.

I'd rather this was done than some witch hunt / trial by media.

Agreed! I was just about to move my TH's to Eligius, but seeing this information has me a bit worried about doing so.

So you would prefer to have a pool owner that does not protect the pool?

You trust the pool owner to control the BTC 99% of the time but do not in this case? Either you trust the pool owner or not. ABSOLUTELY NO need for escrow in this situation.

It's not a case of trust, it's about doing the right thing. Behaving in an honest and open fashion. The innocent party has nothing to fear from my suggestion. Your rapid defense of Eligius may be admirable, but in this it is misguided.

It is not a defense. It is a point. They normally have control over your money. You trust them simply by joining their pool. If you do not trust them for your mining proceeds you should not be in the pool.

Tigggger

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So if I understand this story correctly, you weren't witholding blocks deliberately you had faulty hardware.

BTCGuild (eleuthria) informed you of this after he noticed what was happening and your hardware was then fixed to work properly

The btc that eligius is witholding is from the period before btcguild when your hardware was faulty.

If this is the case I think he's correct, your hardware would never have solved a block and therefore isn't eligble for pooled rewards.

Hektur

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To hire a PR professional to dress you up as a selfless man right there is deceitful because it shows that you weren't really one to start with and you need coaching to instruct you on how to pass off as one. If you were a honest individual then you wouldn't need to hire a PR guy nor need the coaching. It all comes from one's upbringing and moral grounds on how to respect other people and their property.

Brucexie

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Quote from: Littleshop on June 13, 2014, 10:30:46 AM

Quote from: SilentH on June 13, 2014, 10:23:37 AM

Quote from: capa on June 13, 2014, 08:59:10 AM

I'd like to see the BTC 200 from Eligius and 300 from Blockwitholder put in escrow and a trusted 3rd party audit carried out.

I'd rather this was done than some witch hunt / trial by media.

Agreed! I was just about to move my TH's to Eligius, but seeing this information has me a bit worried about doing so.

So you would prefer to have a pool owner that does not protect the pool?

You trust the pool owner to control the BTC 99% of the time but do not in this case? Either you trust the pool owner or not. ABSOLUTELY NO need for escrow in this situation.

It's not a case of trust, it's about doing the right thing. Behaving in an honest and open fashion. The innocent party has nothing to fear from my suggestion. Your rapid defense of Eligius may be admirable, but in this it is misguided.

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between a rock and a block!

you just keep talking and digging a bigger hole buddy...
be a man, suck it up and go honest.

Quote from: Brucexie on June 13, 2014, 11:30:06 AM

Quote from: mootinator on June 13, 2014, 10:50:30 AM

Quote from: Brucexie on June 13, 2014, 10:30:32 AM

How can anyone prove that eligius not erase my block log from the website block list?
You trust eligius more than me, just because that eligius is the 2nd oldest pool?
We used to be as you, until this event.

Huh. The person who purportedly withheld shares, the only possible motivation for which would be to make Elgius look bad is now trying to... make Eldigus look bad.

I for one would never have predicted this in a million years and am shocked.

SHOCKED I SAY.

If I really wants to make eligius "bad", The right way is to use 10 btc to hire a buck of hacker in china to DDOS that website, instead of risking my 200+ BTC on pretending to be a normal miner.
Holding block is easy to be caught, just a "SELECT user, power, hisLucky WHERE hisLucky < 0.xxx*poolLucky and power > yyy" is enough.
We of course know eligius's crew is not fool.

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