Eligius-miners: Do you agree with what is done with your hashing power? - page 2.

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Quote from: P4man on January 07, 2012, 04:01:25 PM

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on January 07, 2012, 11:40:02 AM

So another unsupported claim to "support" your unsupported claim.

Ive seen the posts where he took "credit" for taking it down. You will have to forgive me for being too lazy to find them.
I havent seen him admit he used his pool's hashing power, but thats a fair assumption to make, as I doubt he (or almost any individual) has enough hashing power of himself.

Yes, but gmaxwell is using the Merged Mining angle to legitimize this attack (that is, if the pool WAS found to be used).....OR on the other hand....coming from Luke, that this actually WAS an attack, in which case, only Luke's own personal resources were used.

They all seem to have conflicting defences and excuses.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on January 07, 2012, 11:40:02 AM

So another unsupported claim to "support" your unsupported claim.

Ive seen the posts where he took "credit" for taking it down. You will have to forgive me for being too lazy to find them.
I havent seen him admit he used his pool's hashing power, but thats a fair assumption to make, as I doubt he (or almost any individual) has enough hashing power of himself.

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TL;DR

I don't know what happened here, and frankly I don't care. That said, pools are the bane of Bitcoin and anyone mining in them can only blame themselves for misuse of their hashing power.

We have the technology to mine with the benefits of a pool without the drawbacks. Maybe it's time to put the decentralization back into Bitcoin mining?

+1 to everything said.

Centralized pools need to die.

agreed. my backup is solo, and I dont hesitate to switch to solo when things look awry

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Quote from: casascius on January 06, 2012, 10:12:45 AM

You know, I am surprised we don't just code into Bitcoin to shut down if faced with a need to reorg more than 5 blocks, rather than accepting an attack chain. Then all an attacker can do is temporarily DoS a chain - far less disruptive than rolling back transactions.

I agree. I certainly want to be notified if my client finds a new chain and have the option to keep the old one. How would we identity different chains?

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I don't know what happened here, and frankly I don't care. That said, pools are the bane of Bitcoin and anyone mining in them can only blame themselves for misuse of their hashing power.

We have the technology to mine with the benefits of a pool without the drawbacks. Maybe it's time to put the decentralization back into Bitcoin mining?

Yes take it your talking about the p2pool? Have you tied it, what is the performance of it like?

Recent updates have made it an excellent alternative to existing pools. For this reason it has gained some good hashrate, and that is making it so much the better Grin

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Fellas! We're on the same side! What's been done is done. Let us hash our way forward, and just keep an eye out for shady dealings.

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Quote from: Bobnova on January 07, 2012, 10:52:17 AM

Quote from: gmaxwell on January 06, 2012, 04:06:22 PM

Also— please take care here, Luke did not roll back anyone's transactions or double-spend or anything like that. He's simply mining all the blocks and not processing more transactions.

Assuming the first statement is true (which is quite the assumption), the second is hilarious!

It's ok to run a DDOS on alt coins now?

Yes it appears so and misuse your users hash power to do it, amazing is it not? The longer this goes on with no reactions against it by the people in a position to make a difference shows just exactly what they are like as well. In their lack of action they show their support for what has been done, so are no better than he who has done it in my books. Their obvious lip service to the supposed goals of the bitcoin project of an open and free environment ring as hollow as that lame defense of his actions you quote.

What is your proof that he used miner's resources?

He admitted it in the irc logs that had been posted but since deleted by the mods in support of his actions on here. So you can play your BS proof game elsewhere as it will never see the light of day on this forum and you know that.

So another unsupported claim to "support" your unsupported claim.

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Quote from: Bobnova on January 07, 2012, 10:52:17 AM

Quote from: gmaxwell on January 06, 2012, 04:06:22 PM

Also— please take care here, Luke did not roll back anyone's transactions or double-spend or anything like that. He's simply mining all the blocks and not processing more transactions.

Assuming the first statement is true (which is quite the assumption), the second is hilarious!

It's ok to run a DDOS on alt coins now?

Yes it appears so and misuse your users hash power to do it, amazing is it not? The longer this goes on with no reactions against it by the people in a position to make a difference shows just exactly what they are like as well in their lack of action they show their support for what has been done, so are no better than he who has done it in my books. Their obvious lip service to the supposed goals of the bitcoin project of an open and free environment ring as hollow as that lame defense of his actions you quote.

What is your proof that he used miner's resources?

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Quote from: gmaxwell on January 06, 2012, 04:06:22 PM

Also— please take care here, Luke did not roll back anyone's transactions or double-spend or anything like that. He's simply mining all the blocks and not processing more transactions.

Assuming the first statement is true (which is quite the assumption), the second is hilarious!

It's ok to run a DDOS on alt coins now?

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as serious as killing a fly

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Attacking a chain is perhaps lame, but I dont see it as a crime.
If its true however, Luke used the participants of his pool's hashing power to carry out the attack, that would be serious indeed. No one should entrust his hashing power to a pool operator that uses it at will for any purpose he sees fit. Its no different than deepbit deciding to attack bitcoin for a laugh.

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Quote from: gmaxwell on January 06, 2012, 04:06:22 PM

Quote from: casascius on January 06, 2012, 10:12:45 AM

You know, I am surprised we don't just code into Bitcoin to shut down if faced with a need to reorg more than 5 blocks, rather than accepting an attack chain. Then all an attacker can do is temporarily DoS a chain - far less disruptive than rolling back transactions.

Because for the low price of 250 BTC per event I could knock down bitcoin world wide as often as I want.

How are you going to do that without the majority of hash power?

I would ask the same question alone, and also with the consideration that each "event" motivates development and refinement of clients performing automated analysis on the competing block chains to make a more intelligent choice. (e.g. automated analysis of the transactions in the competing chains, and a bias toward keeping the chain that causes the least disruption instead of an automated shutdown)

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Quote from: casascius on January 06, 2012, 10:12:45 AM

You know, I am surprised we don't just code into Bitcoin to shut down if faced with a need to reorg more than 5 blocks, rather than accepting an attack chain. Then all an attacker can do is temporarily DoS a chain - far less disruptive than rolling back transactions.

Because for the low price of 250 BTC per event I could knock down bitcoin world wide as often as I want.

Also— please take care here, Luke did not roll back anyone's transactions or double-spend or anything like that. He's simply mining all the blocks and not processing more transactions.

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See the tail end of this thread for other views on the "attack."

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You know, I am surprised we don't just code into Bitcoin to shut down if faced with a need to reorg more than 5 blocks, rather than accepting an attack chain. Then all an attacker can do is temporarily DoS a chain - far less disruptive than rolling back transactions.

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Why not make some innovation in alternative blockchains?
Make them take off! That will make a better world~~

Since ixc & i0c &otherc worth so less, i think i don't care luke mine some of them,

cause this is 0 fee pool, merged mining nmc.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on January 06, 2012, 08:40:27 AM

Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 08:33:20 AM

I will personally sell every Bitcoin asset I have and invest everything into driving Luke Dash Jr's involvement in Bitcoin into the ground if he is a part of it publicly, with as much bad press as I can possibly muster, just to see him go down unless ties are cut with him.

Oh noes. Don't do that. Please.

I haven't seen proof of anything. Still your childish and impotent threats just make you silly.

Honestly Bitcoin has survived DDOS attacks, Mybitcoin, largest chain being attacked, a rise to $32 and then a fall to $2, endless hype and then crushing negative press, reports of stolen wallets worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It survived all that but it can't survive you? Inflated sense of self worth?

Allow me to rephrase....
My attack(s) are and would be intended for Luke Dash.....not Bitcoin. It would just be unfortunate if his negative publicity hurt Bitcoin, that's all.
Inflated sense of READING skills on your behalf ? Next time, try reading it out loud, then again...and repeat if required.

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Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 08:33:20 AM

I will personally sell every Bitcoin asset I have and invest everything into driving Luke Dash Jr's involvement in Bitcoin into the ground if he is a part of it publicly, with as much bad press as I can possibly muster, just to see him go down unless ties are cut with him.

Oh noes. Don't do that. Please.

I haven't seen proof of anything. Still your childish and impotent threats just make you silly.

Honestly Bitcoin has survived DDOS attacks, Mybitcoin, largest chain being attacked, a rise to $32 and then a fall to $2, endless hype and then crushing negative press, reports of stolen wallets worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It survived all that but it can't survive you? Inflated sense of self worth?

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bitlane

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So he used merged mining and kept the coin? He stole? Details, link?

It had NOTHING to do with merged mining. It was a deliberate and malicious attack on the chain and refusal to process transactions, killing everyone else in the process using the power of his mining pool.....without anyone's consent. Many of us witnessed this as he posted a link to the Coiledcoin thread, with him saying "Coiledcoin is now closed" and him boasting about the attack in chat on BTC-e exchange....where he was banned from not long there after.

His pool should be banned from this forum and him marked as a scammer, as well as being removed entirely from the Bitcoin Project.

I will personally sell every Bitcoin asset I have and invest everything into driving Luke Dash Jr's involvement in Bitcoin into the ground if he is a part of it publicly, with as much bad press as I can possibly muster, just to see him go down unless ties are cut with him.

He has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that he belongs with the ranks of Bruce at this point. Chalk up another win for CryptoCoin trust (or mistrust as it were)...

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