Topic: [ENDED] ChipMixer Signature Campaign | Sr Member+ - page 96. (Read 303553 times)

@DS and CM, are there any plans to make a new signature for the three year anniversary of the campaign in ~20 weeks.

It's very catching currently but if there were two different sig designs avaliable then it might make longer standing members/visitors notice the difference in signatures.

This was new..

I did a volunteering month wearing the signature of ChipMixer to help the project. I would be happy if there will be a place for me one day.
I'll remove the signature and searth for a project to gain some extra funds in my pocket, wishing the best for ChipMixer!

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Please continue this off topic nonsense here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/quicksellers-off-topic-ramblings-from-chipmixer-thread-5203409

I'll agree, that's probably suchmoon's motivation; she's a staunch fighter of plagiarism and those who abuse alt accounts.  But is that QS's gripe with her efforts?  Is it such a bad thing for suchmoon to focus her attention?  How does that affect our privacy?

The only reason to be concerned is if you're a plagiarists or an account farmer who abuses sig campaigns with alts...

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Oh dear, I think I just typed the answers to the questions I had.  Sorry for being so slow witted.  

I think it's about building a database and searching for plagiarism and alt accounts, not about signatures.


Just for the record: I've shared my view on data collection in another topic.

@Quickseller,
I don't understand why you think collecting data about earned merit, trust settings, edited posts, support/opposition of trust flags... is acceptable, but a list of URLs found in users' signatures is not.

If you are concerned about privacy why aren't you complaining about LoyceV's trust setting viewer, or trust flag support/opposition pages?  That seems like a much more a breach of individual privacy.


There is absolutely no personal information to be found in the post you referenced above.  Unless you're conserved about the privacy of the services being advertised, and frequency their URLs can be found in users' signatures.



Again, the forum is the database.  Of course all the posts are collected, they are collected right here.  If they weren't publicly available, suchmoon would have no access to them.

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Disclaimer: I'm not complaining about LoyceV's trust pages.  I find them very useful, and don't believe they are a breach of privacy.  All the information is publicly available, LoyceV just makes it more easily accessible.

Well, the block explorer services can theoretically tie in the wallet addresses and transaction IDs you've looked up to your IP address. Might not be much, but it's still something. It wouldn't hurt be safe than sorry by using Tor. Juuuust to be extra sure.

Yeah... so long as they aren't sharing with anyone any information regarding their users' usage habits. And a lot can be gleaned.

I think this subject really deserves its own topic . Not about suchmoon x quickseller, but about analysis on public/private data.

Google Bing are not using only public data, they use private data as well (as your search history, email content, history of downloaded apps etc) , and they work with those data. This is completely different.

Services like wallet explorers are not harming users privacy imo. If you decided to publicize your personal data, anyone is free to work with this data. You should be worried about your privacy before  , not after you post it. If you care about it, use a mixer and wallet explorer can't harm you anymore. I believe that wallet explorer may be even good for Privacy services like chipmixer, as it shows your privacy leeks and points of failure.  It is better to know where your privacy is weak than to just ignore it.

The analysis wallet explorer does can be easily done by anyone who wants to investigate you. If you can investigate yourself for free, you know where and how they can find you. And you can work with that

Making data analysis on forum posts doesn't harm anyone's privacy imo as well.

Anyone can start scraping this forum, the barrier of entry is very low. The barrier of entry to start a company similar to Chainalysis is much higher, probably in the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars in salaries for a marketable MVP, ditto for camera projects like the one you're describing.

You are missing the point. Google/Bing takes what they scrape and incorporates it into a publicly facing service. Ditto with pushshift.io. You didn't mention this, but ditto with LoyceV. Suchmoon on the other hand is not running a publicly facing service.

Maybe a better way of explaining the situation is like this: sites such as walletexplorer, and entities such as  Chainalysis, and others who analyze blockchain data to group transactions to be belonging to a single person/entity are using public information that anyone can look at, however they nonetheless attempting to harm the privacy of those who use Bitcoin. Their goal is to reduce the privacy of those who use Bitcoin. The business model of ChipMixer, the entity that is paying everyone in this thread to advertise for them, is to get people to pay/donate in exchange to be able to maintain their privacy while using Bitcoin. Obviously ChipMixer would not sponsor an entity such as Chainalysis to attempt to break the privacy of Bitcoin users.

Similarly, suchmoon is using publicly available information to reduce the privacy of forum users. She is not providing any kind of publicly facing service with the information she collects. It would not be unreasonable to ask what she is doing with this information, but that is another discussion. Paying suchmoon to advertise for ChipMixer is akin to ChipMixer sponsoring Chainalysis.

I believe that ChipMixer paying suchmoon to advertise their services is enough to question just how much ChipMixer is committed to ensuring the privacy of their users.

It is trivial for someone to look at one post, or one thread and read what it says. It is not however trivial to look at a 1,000 or 100,000 posts or threads and look at what they all say. That is the difference. If someone were to setup many cameras on Main Street in your city, and on other adjacent streets, and use facial recognization software to look at who visits the downtown area, and where they go, the fact that all information being taken is public doesn't change the fact that these people's privacy is being invaded.

I also think it is slightly hair-raisingly Orwellian but on the other hand it is publicly free information, LoyceV puts much of it to good use, and should serve as a good reminder, or wake up call, to all users, that everything you post may very well be there forever, so watch yourselves..  

Besides, not to knock LoyceV but I bet the government, or whatever big tech companies are assisting the spy agencies, have much better scrapers than LoyceV does, have more data, have more accurate data, and have already been doing it for much more time..


I also see irony at times in what some users advertise VS what beliefs said users seem to display in their postings..
To me Bitcoin is mainly a tool of liberty given to us to escape government oppression, while mixers like ChipMixer are side tools which makes the main tool (BTC) more powerful or easier to employ for those purposes..
Be it buying/selling drugs on DNMs while illegal in your jurisdiction, hiding or keeping your nest egg fund safe from banks or governments, or fleeing a genocidal government without abandoning all of your wealth..

Imagine for a moment if Jews in the holocaust had the great tool of Bitcoin available to them (along with supporting tools such as ChipMixer)..
They could have sent funds abroad to aid in their rescue instead of it being confiscated by the Nazi government, they could have fled to safety and kept their wealth with them in Bitcoin rather than fleeing with nothing to fund their journey, or could have remembered a few words in their heads to save what wealth/value they had instead of only being able to hide insignificant amounts of jewelry up their asses..
I think Bitcoin can be a very powerful tool against evil..

The irony comes in where some strictly advocate following the exact letter of the law of whatever jurisdiction a person is in, while others are here from countries that Bitcoin is completely illegal and nobody bats an eye at that..

I think it is highly likely that you DarkStar_ are even employing some of these users while it is illegal in their jurisdictions or situations to participate in this campaign..
But that's OK because it is "moral" right? But "moral" (and legal) according to who?
Moral and legal according to the US constitution? The current US government? Kim Jong Un? Ali Khamenei? Xi Jinping? Or cypherpunk anarchists?
Lot of room for irony..

Quicksy is not interested in the "topic", he's just interested in taking potshots at some users (and perhaps some signature campaigns along the way; if DarkStar_ has rejected him or his alt at some point that would be a sufficient reason to set him off in this particular thread).

Using his alt account he's praising my twin triplet brother LoyceV for doing basically the same thing - collecting public info from Bitcointalk. Now we just need e_o_l_e_o to scrape something and you'll see Panthers52 completing the schizo show.

Edit: I stand corrected - he's in favor of scraping usernames but not posts.

tl;dr: avoid feeding the troll unless absolutely necessary for crossing a bridge.