Topic: Equal society is possible.... (Read 855 times)

I am not a socialist nor a communist, but I have read a bit about the works of Marx and Engels. When you talk about the upper, middle and low class, you must be aware about the way socialist and communist see that system.
In the eyes of communists, the middle class does not actually exist, there are only two classes within society: the capitalists, who hold the means of production and the working class, who do not own the means of production and sell their work force. Both the low and middle class do the same to survive in the capitalist system: to sell their workforce.

Regardless of what you think of it, since we are talking about equality/equity, I thought it would be interesting to point that out.

Also, I have seen people who are communists to claim the bible actually has passages which are quite similar to the ideas of communism, alledgely God instructed the people of Israel to collect the mana in the morning (during their travel through the desert) to do so in a manner which anyone would be fed according to their needs, and collect according to their capabilities.

Equality is not possible any where in the world, as far as life is concerned, there is nothing equally so the society can not be equal. This fact doesn't mean justice can't prevail.

Even from the biblical account of creation,God never created everything to be equal, he made some to be big and some small, man over woman and so on. The society is built on a social strata that has a hierarchy of three, the upper class, middle class and the low class. Non cam function without the other.
A practical question that can fix the deliberation concerning equality is "If everyone becomes rich who will serve who?".just like there will be no driver nor taxi, no clear I'm any where, you cannot employ me I can not employ you.

So life is just not supposed to be equal, it's natural that one should be bigger at some point that that has made the society to last long. There most be a class of followers and leaders.

For me, as long as life exists,all men must not be equal. The equality demanded by each generation of the human race has never achieved a perfect conclusion because it is the trajectory of life. And in any given society, there must be inequality of human importance, we only campaign for the rule of law to stipulate fairness for the benefit of the common man.

Actually, those in control are the ones who destroy themselves and their control. Their greed does this. They use their control to harm the poor people. It happened over the last couple hundred years in Hawaii.

History shows that the people find a way to take the power away from the wealthy controllers who are harming them. Maybe Karl Marx was honest in his thinking. Maybe he wasn't the kind of person who would harm anybody. Maybe he truly wanted to benefit the people. But if he really was a good guy, then he underestimated the ambition of some people to take control, and their ignorance regarding how their wrong use of their control would destroy their control while harming a bunch of little people.

If you want to see what happened in Hawaii, watch this interview between Tucker Carlson and Tulsi Gabbard - https://tuckercarlson.com/the-tucker-carlson-encounter-tulsi-gabbard/.

This is the big flaw in Karl Marx. Maybe it can be overcome with a true Bitcoin-like, decentralized economy... set up so that there can be no controllers.

So far as the hunger to be at the top continues, every one can never be equal in the society reason being that we all are humans but created differently because there are things you know and you are able to comprehend them perfectly but I may not know even if I try to I may not be as perfect as you are that is just nature for us and coming to the society we are now, the rich wants to get Richer and take home everything without caring about how the poor ones in the society are doing instead they will even see where the poor ones are trying to survive from and still take it from them so there is no relationship between the poor and the rich because Normally, the rich always roll with the rich so there is no place for the poor and that brings about inequality in the society.

If we look back from the beginning of the world, there has been a disparity between the rich and the poor which has continued till now. To be honest, it is not possible to build an equal society in the world. There are different countries in the world with different languages, religion, culture and food. It will be possible to build an equal society in the world if you try to reconcile the differences in language, culture and food, but it is not possible because of the differences in religion. It seems to me that people will not compromise on religion even if they accept everything else. Equal society is possible on paper but impossible in reality.

You can only theories about equal society in the real sence there can't be an equal society any where in the world because society is classified from the beginning of the world till now
The best you can do is to walk your way out of your current position as an individual so you get some respect from people but talking about an equal society it is not possible

Though, the problem begins when we depart of the fact we all (as human beings) are more inclined towards selfishness than towards charity and seeking to help others to solve their problems. I don't think the state is supposed to completely ignore social problems and just allow people to fend for themselves, but I am not either in favor of a totalitarian government which would seek to abolish all social classes and make us all to live under the same conditions.
You know, there are things which happen to people which they don't have control over. It is not the same to give a free house to someone who decided to drop out college than someone who developed cancer and needs medicine and treatment to save their life. Nobody chooses to get cancer or get sick, in anyway and in those cases I believe the government should intervene.

It is not a coincidence most of the happiest countries in the world happen to be those who have universal healthcare for their residents.

The only function equality in every society is the law that's states "No one's above the Law".
So what poor need most in a societies now they can stay away from being oppressed by the riches and how the government would always have an effective lawful exercises equal at every living being without undermining their differential portfolio.
But talking about having a more comfortable live in the society is some what the poor can't dare with the rich because the riches will always be reachable to what their funds can afford them such as the worldly materialistic and infrastructures.

That's why it's necessary for a Nation to have laws that doesn't discriminate or having a upper class and lower class citizens in its nation else there would always be segregations amongst everyone in a society.

It will be difficult for you to see such society in the world these days because, there are some people who don't want to work but they are looking for free things to collect from the society and sometimes they will be laughing at those that are seriously working hard to become a better person in the future and, to see equal people to such society will be very hard.

If family members cannot be equal in the family because father will love one pass the other one and mother will love one pass the other one which will be difficult for full society that is bigger than family to be equal in wealth and other things because, there will be poor people in the society and there will be wealthy people in the society.

Indeed. The leftist libertarian spectrum doesn't agree with the idea of "Meritocracy", and since they believe the idea of equality is directly related to Meritocracy, they think it's not enough to reach their utopian society, where everyone will be, in theory, equal. Therefore, they push the concept of equity ahead as the final solution. The point is that if you aren't rewarded for your merits, you will feel discouraged to continue developing yourself as individual and as a gear of your local society. On long run, it will only work for the total collapse of the community.

There will be always people with more difficults to develop themselves as individuals and to thrive in life. The point is that these people have to count on the good will and benevolence of the ones who are in better conditions to continue evolving in life as well, instead of governments seizing belongings and forcing people who are in better conditions to live on the same low standards of the rest of the population, as the equity in misery were the solution for all the problems in the world...

It is a different way to look at it, which most of people would also understand.
Within the political spectrum one could find parties or movements which are either in favor of equality of opportunities, while there are others more into equality of results.
Those who are in the political right are more into equality of opportunities, while the left is more into equality of results.
For example, a government which is in favor of equal chances/opportunies will offer affordable education and access to food for children, and in the case some of the children chose or could not continue to study and later in life not to be able to affort a home for it, they will disregard that.
On the other hand, a government which favors the equal of results, will try everyone to be able to have a home or afford one, regardless whether they chose/could study and get a good job earlier in their youth.

Because, it is correct what you say. Each person has gotten their own particular and personal challenges and it would be impossible to reach equity by treating all of them the same way, that is why in some of the works of Marxism, it is encouraged not to treat all of the citizens equally, but doing things in that way is justified within the theory to reach equity or the abolition of social classes.

I've always said that equality can only be pursued in certain areas, for instance you can make the law treat every person the same way despite of how much money they have and how well educated they are.
You can't force equality in all areas because of personal differences we have in our genes. For instance, if you pursue equality in education you will lower the expectations and make smart people learn less than they could. You'll create a society of underperformers.
The deal is very similar when we look at finances. When someone makes a lot of money and you punish him for it, you'll stop scientific progress. You actually want a lot of Musk's in society who make a lot of money and spend that money to drive the economy. You don't want to run these people to the ground with taxes.

That is the difference between equality and equity. In a system where equality prevails, every individuals have the same rights, obligations and are treated in the same manner by the justice system, while in a system of equity, the central party or government attempts to flatten everyone to be on the same level, what is a fallacy by itself, since this kind of system can't work in a fair way because everyone is different from each other, and such differences can't be flatten by an external imperfect force from another human beings.

Then we just have a bunch of demagogic and populistic tyrannical governors trying to impose this concept of social politics on their territories, which never work, and only creates further inequality and uprisings.

i don't really believe that there will be an equal society in this world, because for a long time humans have lived in a system where there are social classes in society, such as nobles, poor people, etc. in fact, religion itself is against the existence of an equal society, because when that system is formed, humans will be under the same government, the same language, and the same goals, and some religions have also warned against this. so as long as religion still exists in this world and people still live by their standards, i don't think that an equal society will exist.

There is no doubt as you are saying all is right but with this all its really challenging having society on equal basis because then still we will miss many things which are important in life and this is surely having another troubles for the many as we will have all things in books and dramas with in reality we are completely different and things never been gone as we have in these test books and related dramas and films just because of this we are still unable to achieve many things which were talk many decades back and having huge impacts on human's history, but we are never able to achieve this equality in humans and our society because this is really hard in reality with just good for the read and watch.

I agree with your statement 100%. Karan The social system of more than half of the countries in the present world is just for show.  Every street in their country, every advertisement says stop discrimination. But in reality they are the ones who engage in more discrimination.  Which is very shameful.

If we want to talk about inequality and equality in society then equality and inequality in society exist only in stories or in different textbooks.

We see some warning written before various dramas or cartoon videos saying, "The characters, place and period of the said drama have no resemblance to reality". At present, the equality and discrimination of the society is almost like this.

But, I will not say that the social system of all the countries of the world is like this. There are many countries in the world where social inequality is real and noticeable.

Nothing is equal even though there are saying that conclude that all things being equal, nothing is meant to be equal.
We just have to keep living the life we are meant to leave. Just like we know that getting a job is based on connections and information every though everyone has the same level of degree, there are still people that would take the position not because the merit it but due to many reasons that make things inequality. There are people of high classes while also the middle class and lower class is also available.

Because people don't want to live in a united way an equal society is not possible. The picture of reality is full of various inequalities and inequalities. How much justice can we do one man to another man. There is room for doubt in this regard as well. As humans we are divided into selfish individuals and classes. What I think is right or think or think right for my own needs the same sense of justice or sense of right is viewed from a different perspective towards another human being.